Free Agent Frenzy: Wayne Ellington signed (423)

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby therealdeal on Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:53 am

MusixFinest wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
Barnstable wrote:I always liked Faried.

I'd love to have him on the team, but what are we supposed to be giving up?

I can't think of a single scenario that makes sense for both teams

The closest we come is a trade centered around Hill. Hill is a more traditional big, something they're looking for as opposed to Faried. We don't need traditional bigs really, so Faried would fit here more than Hill does while still providing most of the same things Hill did.

But it's not really something Denver couldn't top anywhere else.


I don't recall Faried shooting any better than Hill can... I remember him being more of a hustle/ORBD beast, when we met them in the Playoffs.

Eh he needs to shoot here, but the open style of basketball makes him effective anyway. Remember when D'Antoni didn't want to play Hill because he couldn't shoot but he earned his way into the rotation by working hard?

Faried would do the same thing, but on an increased scale.

Anyway, the Nuggets are looking for far, far, far more than Jordan Hill so it's a moot point. Last rumor I read had them offering Faried for Oladipo.
Stu : "Yeah, that's an old fashioned whoopin'."
therealdeal
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 40322
Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:03 pm

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:58 am

Except Faried would get eaten up by all power forwards 6/8 and taller (like he did last year).

He's a great help defender, but he's too small to guard PF's.
#OURHOUSE
User avatar
lakerfan2

 
Posts: 9914
Joined: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:23 pm

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby therealdeal on Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:08 am

lakerfan2 wrote:Except Faried would get eaten up by all power forwards 6/8 and taller (like he did last year).

He's a great help defender, but he's too small to guard PF's.

We're toying with Wesley Johnson at the 4, how is that better?

I'm honestly shocked this is getting this much opposition. :man10:

Faried is better than almost any player on our roster RIGHT NOW not counting Kobe. He might not be better than Kobe or Gasol but for sure the rest of the team is worse than Faried. The Nuggets are looking for a nice big piece for him like Oladipo.

And we're talking about not trading Jordan Hill? :man10:
Stu : "Yeah, that's an old fashioned whoopin'."
therealdeal
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 40322
Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:03 pm

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:06 am

Never said it was better, but like I said before, I like Jordan Hill being able to defend the 4/5 rather than Faried can.

I'm sure Wes playing at the 4 was (hopefully) only an experiment with having Kaman out, but the 4/5 rotation SHOULD be

Pau/Kaman/Hill/Williams

I think Faried is a talented player, but I think his cons as being an undersized PF outweigh his freak athleticism and constant motor.

I'm just thinking like Shaw I guess.
#OURHOUSE
User avatar
lakerfan2

 
Posts: 9914
Joined: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:23 pm

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby jlkr on Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:27 am

Faried is very athletic with great hustle and instincts. But he's undersized for PF, his one-on-one defense suffers for that and his midrange offensive game is mostly nonexistent in the half court. If he could shoot, he'd be playing SF as he's athletic enough with his strength to defend those guys. My question would be, can he guard Lebron or Melo? Cuz that's what I'd be thinking for him. I can't see a trade that works out for them as well as for the Lakers. As another poster says, would have to be a 3 team deal.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I--
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

--Robert Frost
User avatar
jlkr

 
Posts: 4199
Joined: Tue Jan 17, 2006 5:19 pm
Location: your friendly neighborhood bar

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby therealdeal on Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:30 am

The reason Shaw can think that way is because of the talented team he has. We have no such luxury.

If there was a way to get a player as talented as Faried, I would hope the Lakers do it.
Stu : "Yeah, that's an old fashioned whoopin'."
therealdeal
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 40322
Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:03 pm

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby nduri on Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:00 pm

GoldenKnight wrote:Royce White was cut, thoughts? I say no :man10:


I say yes, as long as we are able to sedate him for road trips. j/k but I do believe that we are one of the few teams with the resources to work with him. He is very talented and I think he's willing to work in the right situation.
Back at'cha 24-7
User avatar
nduri

 
Posts: 192
Joined: Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:52 pm

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Magic Skywalker on Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:06 pm

While I do respect people having some kind of mental illness, I don't respect crybabies and people who uses their problems as an excuse absolutely every time.

Royce White behaves worse than Dwight Howard and hasn't even played one NBA game. Don't want him anywhere near the Lakers (wait, actually, I wouldn't mind him on the Clippers, which would be physically near).

Also, you know a player is no good when he is cut by the Philadelphia 76ers 2013-2014.
@MagicSkywalker Basketamericano
User avatar
Magic Skywalker

 
Posts: 1227
Joined: Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:08 pm

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby LakersN4 on Fri Oct 25, 2013 4:59 pm

They don't really have much in common besides their elite rebounding, but Faried reminds me of LO.. He's an undersized PF that has a very unique skillset that no other player at his position has.. I love Jordan Hill but don't think he can remain healthy playing the MPG he would need to in order to meet that LO level. If we can pull off that swap & give them Meeks/Blake expiring for a contract they don't want, that'd be a great win now move & a win for the future.. It only makes sense for the Nuggets if they feel re-signing Faried will hamper their long term plans. I think our definition of long term is much shorter than teams like Denver, & we'd be more willing to take that risk. With all the space we're going to have, we could afford to extend Faried, bring in another max player next season & bring back Kobe atleast & possibly Pau, even though they're both playing hardball on taking a paycut now.

Considering Denver is loaded at PG with Lawson/Miller/Nate/Foye, I'll assume they take Meeks instead of Blake. I have no idea what contract they'd want to get rid of, Miller is probably the closest thing to a bad contract they have, but he'd be a better backup SG than Meeks so this deal still doesn't make sense for them. To solve the problem of also having to cut players, I'm going to pretend they want Harris thrown in..just for the sake of posting a hypothetical depth chart:
Landry cut..

Nash/Farmar/Miller
Kobe/Henry/Blake
Young/Johnson/(Henry)
Faried/(Pau)/Williams/(Johnson)
Pau/Kaman/Sacre

That team is so deep it's unreal.. Farmar would play alot more minutes than Nash & that will be great for this uptempo roster.. We've been seeing more & more that uptempo teams with undersized PF's have been breaking the stereotype of "not winning when the pace slows down in the playoffs". Last year we saw the majority of the teams that made it out of the first round have an uptempo lineup & an undersized 4.. Miami - Lebron, SA - Leonard, OKC - Durant, Ind - Paul George/David West is undersized, GS - Barnes had his breakout averaging 16 PPG by increasing his minutes at the 4 in the playoffs.. Faried isn't going to score like alot of those undersized 4's but his unique skillset is going to give them problems.. I'd love to see what D'antoni could do with that roster. I think we'd have a legit shot at the finals this season barring injuries.
LakersN4

 
Posts: 2514
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:55 am

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby therealdeal on Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:54 pm

LO wasn't an undersized four. He was just a skinny four. He had the height and the length of a four for sure.
Stu : "Yeah, that's an old fashioned whoopin'."
therealdeal
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 40322
Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:03 pm

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby SK8 on Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:25 pm

It looks like Phoenix Suns will try to trade Goran Dragic....
What do you guys think, can he replace Nash and what can we offer?
The second place means you're the first loser
ex Uncle Drew
User avatar
SK8

 
Posts: 1507
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:26 am

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Center Court on Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:36 pm

Uncle Drew wrote:It looks like Phoenix Suns will try to trade Goran Dragic....
What do you guys think, can he replace Nash and what can we offer?


just give them Nash back and get's get our picks back along with Dragic
User avatar
Center Court

 
Posts: 3170
Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:45 pm
Location: @ CL since '04

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Weezy on Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:42 pm

I like Nash and how hard he's worked and played for us, but if we could have Dragic over him I'd do it in a second.
User avatar
Weezy
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 50866
Joined: Sat Jun 03, 2006 11:14 am
Location: Anaheim, CA

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby therealdeal on Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:16 pm

Weezy wrote:I like Nash and how hard he's worked and played for us, but if we could have Dragic over him I'd do it in a second.

We could have had him years ago... I doubt there's anything we could do now though. We don't have the picks they want.
Stu : "Yeah, that's an old fashioned whoopin'."
therealdeal
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 40322
Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:03 pm

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby LakersN4 on Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:43 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Weezy wrote:I like Nash and how hard he's worked and played for us, but if we could have Dragic over him I'd do it in a second.

We could have had him years ago... I doubt there's anything we could do now though. We don't have the picks they want.

No but we could take on every single contract that isn't in their future plans if we send Pau & Nash. Pau possibly to a 3rd team that sends a couple young players Phx covets + a 1st.. Hopefully we come away with Dragic & Gortat(who they aren't going to pay to keep next summer)
LakersN4

 
Posts: 2514
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:55 am

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Oct 27, 2013 12:47 pm

Gortat got traded to Washington.
Rule of Thumb at ClubLakers - Never encourage people to check your post history.
User avatar
Doc Brown

 
Posts: 19446
Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:11 am
Location: Ohio

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Ariza3 on Sun Oct 27, 2013 1:16 pm

If the Shannon Brown becomes a free agent...which all signs point to that he is...the Lakers should bring him back. Not just for old times sake but we could use him. Nash is prob gonna be missing time here and there throughout the season it seems and Kobe missing time as well as playing more SF it would seem that bringing him back would be smart. Farmar and Blake should be playing more PG anyways, Meeks and Henry are good SG's but I'd rather play Brown more than Meeks and have a running athletic 2nd unit that can finish fast breaks and layups/dunks.

I really think bringing Brown back would be a smart cheap move and wed have another great youngish athletic player, which the crowd loves and can really impact the game on both ends. Kobe obv loves him and a Farmar Brown Young lineup would be pretty fun and athletic.
Image
User avatar
Ariza3

 
Posts: 4711
Joined: Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:28 pm

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby LakersN4 on Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:53 am

There's no question that Shannon is a better player for this team than Meeks.. The real question is how do we open up the roster spot? Obviously they want to keep Harris he made the 15.. I'd be willing to bet that if we're really interested in bringing Shannon back, they're working on a way to package Meeks expiring contract with something attractive enough that we don't have to cut a player..

I know it's highly unlikely but if Denver is really shopping Faried hard & want to replace his motor without a big contract, J.Hill is about as good as it gets.. Just to sweeten the pot a bit more, we also give them Blake for Miller's contract which is not only 1M higher but also 1 year longer. Hill/Meeks/Blake/2nd for Faried/Miller.. Denver gets back nothing but expiring contracts & doesn't have to give Faried his big contract he wants..

After that we sign Shannon..

I absolutely love the roster that leaves us with.. Now not only can we go uptempo, we can do it without getting killed on the boards.. Having a guy like Faried that rebounds at a high rate & can play more minutes than Hill that fits with the uptempo style is extremely valuable. He's like Shawn Marion in many ways, his motor, rebounding, quickness, athleticism, defense.. He doesn't have a jumper like Marion did but that's really the only knock on him when it comes to fit with this team.. Him being too small to play C & getting heavy minutes will force D'antoni to keep Pau & Kaman at C fulltime & that's going to make us a better team. Then you have Williams backing him up so there's always a solid defender in our frontcourt.. I also think this would force D'antoni to give Wes more minutes at SF, play Young & even Henry at SG until Kobe returns.. All of this should help us on both sides of the ball theoretically.. I'm going to assume they keep Young at starting SF because they want him to get comfortable in the position he'll play primarily when Kobe returns, but I really wouldn't mind seeing how we do with Henry in the starting lineup over Shannon. If Shannon comes in & plays well he can earn the spot but Henry has earned a shot in my opinion. Nash/Shannon/Young is pretty terrible defensively.. I like Henry in with Young so he can guard bigger SF's & let Swaggy P focus on what he does best, scoring.. Shannon would be better suited coming in when Farmar is in the game & he'll be guarding reserves from the other teams on alot of occasions.

MDA's rotation:

Nash/Farmar/Miller
Henry/Shannon/Young/Miller
Young/Johnson/Henry/Harris
Faried/Williams/Johnson/Gasol
Gasol/Kaman/Sacre

That's an incredibly deep team to keep us in the hunt until Kobe returns.. We could run teams out of the gym while still playing defense & rebounding.. I hope this is how it plays out.
LakersN4

 
Posts: 2514
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:55 am

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby LooN3y on Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:59 am

^ too many players, whos gonna get the boot?




we dont need shannon,



i dont know why everyone is so infatuated with the idea of him joining the team when we have a much better player in henry.


i never liked shannons game, his dunks were dope, but besides the dunks and him actually making 3's he was useless. i dont want him to revive his kobe like shot selection.


im not trying to defend meeks for his lack of productions ( he does play hard) but id take meeks camping and his shot selection any day than have browns antics.

righ tnow its going good, we dont need to make any adjustments till we play a few more games. having meeks just camp out at the 3pt line is better than having brown trying to do some superstar type play.

call me a fool, but i think this team will be able to handle their business


we have a great bench, our starting line up is a bet meh, but itll hopefully get better when jelly bean comesback.
User avatar
LooN3y

 
Posts: 893
Joined: Thu Mar 17, 2011 9:33 pm

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby LakersN4 on Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:52 pm

LooN3y wrote:^ too many players, whos gonna get the boot?




we dont need shannon,



i dont know why everyone is so infatuated with the idea of him joining the team when we have a much better player in henry.


i never liked shannons game, his dunks were dope, but besides the dunks and him actually making 3's he was useless. i dont want him to revive his kobe like shot selection.


im not trying to defend meeks for his lack of productions ( he does play hard) but id take meeks camping and his shot selection any day than have browns antics.

righ tnow its going good, we dont need to make any adjustments till we play a few more games. having meeks just camp out at the 3pt line is better than having brown trying to do some superstar type play.

call me a fool, but i think this team will be able to handle their business


we have a great bench, our starting line up is a bet meh, but itll hopefully get better when jelly bean comesback.

3 for 2 trade leaves us with 14, open spot goes to Shannon.. Noone gets the boot.
LakersN4

 
Posts: 2514
Joined: Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:55 am

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:11 am

Is Rudy Gay on the trade block?

By Joe Kaiser | ESPN.com

Toronto was criticized by virtually every number-crunching basketball analyst last season when it traded away the expiring contract of Jose Calderon and former first-rounder Ed Davis for one of the game's highest paid players in Rudy Gay whose 15.66 PER last season was barely above league-average.

Gay is set to earn $17.89 million this season and has a $19.32 million player option for next season that he could very well accept as well, which is a poor fit on a Raptors team that is teetering on "trying" and "tanking" this season -- that could all depend on how the month of November goes.

Bruce Arthur mentioned in Monday's National Post that sources indicate new Raptors GM Masai Ujiri, the NBA's Executive of the Year in Denver last season, has had conversations about moving Gay. That's of little surprise, really.

The better question might be whether he can trade Gay, given the amount of salary involved. To that end, we can only say this: never say never. Nobody expected Toronto to be able to deal away Andrea Bargnani as easily as it did, and Ujiri managed to do that.

As for possible fits, Milwaukee could be one. The Bucks have enough pieces to pull off such a deal with the expiring contracts of Caron Butler, Luke Ridnour and Ekpe Udoh. History shows that owner Herb Kohl always opts for making a run at the playoffs over a complete rebuild, and is one way the Bucks could attempt to do so while also bridging the gap to their small forward of the future -- Giannis Antetokounmpo.
Rule of Thumb at ClubLakers - Never encourage people to check your post history.
User avatar
Doc Brown

 
Posts: 19446
Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:11 am
Location: Ohio

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby therealdeal on Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:14 am

Pau/Nash for Gay/Valenciunas/Johnson/Ross.

Nash desperately wants to retire as a Canadian!

Farmar/Blake
Young/Ross
Gay/Henry
Williams/Johnson/Johnson
Kaman/Sacre

!!!
Stu : "Yeah, that's an old fashioned whoopin'."
therealdeal
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 40322
Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:03 pm

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:30 am

Hmmm...this might have some weight to it. We desperately need a young, athletic Small Forward that could create for himself & others. Although, not ideal, for me, he'd be a good fit with our core of younger players. In addition, we'd get younger getting rid of Gasol and Nash; I'm up for it...

As a matter of fact, looking at their players and contracts, I like Lowry, Fields, Johnson, and Augustin; add any of these players around Gay, and I'm definitely in; most notably, Lowry who's another PG that we can utilize; Johnson's an athletic big, Fields is serviceable, and so is Augustin.

hahahah....Just realized that Gay would destroy our flexbility next year; well, there goes that idea...
Last edited by dwighthowardsdad on Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:50 am, edited 2 times in total.
dwighthowardsdad

 
Posts: 1695
Joined: Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:31 am

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Lakerjones on Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:39 am

Not sure what it is, but I've never been excited by a Pau for Gay trade. Rudy just doesn't grab me for the Lakers. And I don't like his contract at all. He's a guy who needs the ball a lot, but he's not a superstar kind of player, just a good player. His contract is insane for what he brings. More insane to me than Pau's current contract! No thanks.
Lakerjones
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 15212
Joined: Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:37 am

Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby therealdeal on Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:41 am

I was kidding. :man10:

I doubt the Lakers want Rudy Gay right now. It's really not in their style to go get a complementary player before getting the foundation set.

The more I think about it, the more I'm kind of viewing them as what the Guggenheim group is trying to do with the Dodgers. When they came in, the Dodgers were a mess from top to bottom. So they went out and got some exciting players on a huge payroll to garner excitement, while slowly building the team up from inside.

Right now they're trying to give us something exciting with the young guys while finding a couple diamonds in the rough. Then this summer they're going to try to get some REALLY exciting pieces so that we can have something to watch. Then they'll bide their time until they start getting more of their 1st rounders back.

In order to do that, I think we're thinking bigger than Rudy Gay. Getting him is a lateral move now and a lateral move in the future. I was ALL for Gay last season, but this season without Kobe being 100% and trading away Gasol to get him... No. The situation isn't right for it. If we already had a system set up with Kobe and with another big presence then I think Gay makes a GREAT fit as a 3rd best player on your team.

But trading for him now would make him the best player on our roster. :man10: Yikes.
Stu : "Yeah, that's an old fashioned whoopin'."
therealdeal
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 40322
Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2008 3:03 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Lakers Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Kobe8Fan and 12 guests

cron
Advertise Here | Privacy Policy | ©2008 Sculu Sports. Come Strong.