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Postby Lakerjones on Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:51 am

^^ Whew! Glad you were kidding realdeal, my sarcasm radar must not be on right now. I knew that a year or so ago you were in favor of that trade, but I've never felt it was a good return for Pau. I do think you're right about the org's current mindset. And who knows, if we don't make the playoffs maybe we'll get a decent draft pick to work with as well.
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Postby therealdeal on Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:01 am

Lakerjones wrote:^^ Whew! Glad you were kidding realdeal, my sarcasm radar must not be on right now. I knew that a year or so ago you were in favor of that trade, but I've never felt it was a good return for Pau. I do think you're right about the org's current mindset. And who knows, if we don't make the playoffs maybe we'll get a decent draft pick to work with as well.

Well last season we would have had Kobe to go along with him so we'd have kind of a dual threat from distance. Not to mention, I thought Howard would still be around so it'd clear the middle for him as well. Now? It just doesn't make much sense.

This season is really and truly a crap shoot. The Lakers don't know if they'll be good, they don't know if they'll be bad... They're just going with the flow. If the team stinks that's alright as long as they're exciting. If they do well, even better! Either we end up with a high draft pick or we don't, but the real prize this summer will come from free agency.
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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:56 pm

You know I was thinking about this roster today with Kobe; thinking about who was available next year and came up with some scenarios; maybe you guys can poke in my theory about this rotation? We need a younger superstar, a top 10 SF, a upgrade at PG, and a center that can defend, rebound, ala Tyson Chandler in NY...

This is what I would do next year...I'd go after Carmelo, Luol Deng, and Kyle Lowry. My rotation would go something like this;

Lowry/Farmar
Kobe/Young
Deng/Henry
Carmelo/Hill
Pau?/Kaman

I put a question mark on Pau; as I mentioned the primary responsibilities of any big on our team should be defend, rebound, finish around the rim; that's it. You're younger, more athletic, added another 10 player and top 10 SF, and your PG rotation got better, younger, and more athletic. That's kind of what I'm looking at moving forward.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:23 pm

dwighthowardsdad wrote:You know I was thinking about this roster today with Kobe; thinking about who was available next year and came up with some scenarios; maybe you guys can poke in my theory about this rotation? We need a younger superstar, a top 10 SF, a upgrade at PG, and a center that can defend, rebound, ala Tyson Chandler in NY...

This is what I would do next year...I'd go after Carmelo, Luol Deng, and Kyle Lowry. My rotation would go something like this;

Lowry/Farmar
Kobe/Young
Deng/Henry
Carmelo/Hill
Pau?/Kaman

I put a question mark on Pau; as I mentioned the primary responsibilities of any big on our team should be defend, rebound, finish around the rim; that's it. You're younger, more athletic, added another 10 player and top 10 SF, and your PG rotation got better, younger, and more athletic. That's kind of what I'm looking at moving forward.


I'm not saying we do it for right now, but I was also thinking the same thing tonight watching the Bulls-Knicks game that it would be cool if we got both Deng and Melo. Deng is a great defensive player and Melo of course can help Kobe not have to carry the scoring load all the time
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Postby Pig Miller on Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:26 pm

^so you want us to get 2 guys in FA that play the same position while probably having to pay 25M+ for the two of them?
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:00 pm

Pig Miller wrote:^so you want us to get 2 guys in FA that play the same position while probably having to pay 25M+ for the two of them?


First off, we won't have to pay that much for BOTH of them and secondly MDA is our coach and he likes that stretch 4 option/flexibility. There is a reason why I said in my post that I thought about how that might look. I don't know if I would do it for sure. A lot of season THIS YEAR to play before we get to next off-season
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Postby Doc Brown on Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:47 pm

Report: Toronto Raptors prepared to trade ‘anyone but [Jonas] Valanciunas’
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The Raptors are reportedly willing to trade veterans Kyle Lowry, Rudy Gay and DeMar DeRozan. (Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images)
The Toronto Raptors and new general manager Masai Ujiri are already preparing to make a splash on the trade market, according to ESPN.com’s Marc Stein.


The front office entered training camp before the 2013-14 season with an open mind about the players on its roster, but there is now a “strong sense” that the Raptors are willing to trade “anyone but [Jonas] Valanciunas,” Stein reports.

Valanciunas, a 22-year-old center who averaged 8.9 points, 6.0 rebounds and 1.3 blocks as a rookie last season, was the fifth overall pick in the 2011 draft.

While Toronto has considered signing veteran forward Rudy Gay to an extension, Ujiri and company are now surveying the league to determine his trade value, along with the values of point guard Kyle Lowry and shooting guard DeMar DeRozan.

DeRozan received a four-year, $40-million contract extension from ex-GM Bryan Colangelo last November, Lowry will be an unrestricted free agent at season’s end, and Gay has a player option for 2014-15.

From the report:

Gay, meanwhile, rates as one of the league’s more fascinating cases after Toronto’s previous regime gambled on the notion that the former Memphis Grizzlies max signee could be a co-cornerstone with Valanciunas. How tradable, really, is Gay when he’s making nearly $18 million this season? The sense out there is that the Raps, who only just got him in January, are determined to find out.
Rival teams are still formulating their projections on what Gay will do at season’s end, when he has the option to become a free agent or play out the final season of his last Memphis contract at a heady $19.3 million. You hesitate to simply assume that Gay, even at his relatively young age, will opt for free agency, because the likelihood is that the annual salary in his next deal won’t be nearly that high.
The Raptors fell to 1-1 after a loss to the Atlanta Hawks on Friday night. They finished 34-48 last season, tied for ninth place in the Eastern Conference, and haven’t made the playoffs since 2007-08.


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Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:18 am

^^^^ Nash for Lowry and Novak :man10:

Btw , I know he's making more money than he would on a contender but boy Ashton is wasting his time with the Chawks
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Postby LakersN4 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:13 pm

^ I think we'd have to give up Pau's expiring for Rudy to get them to take on Nash for Lowry + filler.. Not sure if they'd want to keep Pau to let him spend a season helping Val with his post game or send him to a contender.. If we can get a solid big thrown in I like it.. But I don't see how that happens.. They're weaker at PF than we are.. Amir isn't a bad player but I don't want him replacing Pau.. Our frontcourt would be extremely weak.. Maybe they ship Derozan or Ross to a 3rd team & get us a solid big. I'd rather ship Rudy to the 3rd team but there's probably not many takers for his 20M he's sure to opt in to next season.
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:22 pm

I don't know what their thoughts are on Derozan. Is he still part of their future plans?
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Postby Chillbongo on Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:30 pm

No Rudy please. Gets paid like a superstar and doesn't perform like one. Doesn't stay healthy, and although he's athletic, there's younger 3's we can focus on (Xavier).

Of course, if we could turn Nash into Rudy that's one thing. But they're going to want talent back, and at this point I'd rather have the combo of Hill, Farmar, Henry, & Johnson than Rudy Gay.
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Postby LakersN4 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:59 pm

Chillbongo wrote:No Rudy please. Gets paid like a superstar and doesn't perform like one. Doesn't stay healthy, and although he's athletic, there's younger 3's we can focus on (Xavier).

Of course, if we could turn Nash into Rudy that's one thing. But they're going to want talent back, and at this point I'd rather have the combo of Hill, Farmar, Henry, & Johnson than Rudy Gay.
It's not the ideal trade but Rudy only has 1 year left on that huge deal & is a better player today than Pau is.. Same goes for Lowry/Nash.. We can't have 2 of our top 3 players be injury prone old guys..

I don't know why you say you'd rather have the combo of Hill, Henry & Johnson, when of those 3 only Hill is eligible to be traded. It'd be nearly impossible to make the numbers work without including Pau.. So I think that takes Hill off the table.. If you take Lowry out of the deal it's not nearly as appealing for us.. Pau would have to be included..

We'd still have the space to add another star player in 2014 if Lebron or Melo decide they want to join Kobe, because we're unloading the 9M Nash would make next season.. If he doesn't fit in worst case we once again have a 20M expiring to flip at the deadline next year or we let him expire & go after Love/LMA/Rondo.. Lowry + Rudy give us a better chance to win this season than Nash & Pau.. Lowry is expiring so if we need the space for a better player it's there, or we can bring him back.. But we have to get a solid big that isn't injury prone in the deal.. Having Kaman & Hill as our 2 best bigs is a disaster waiting to happen.. Both guys are likely to miss plenty of games. Rudy vs. Pau I don't think there will be much difference in how good we are.. But Lowry's defense at PG would be huge for us & that's why I would make the deal.
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Postby revgen on Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:12 pm

I just don't see Rudy as somebody who is going to help us build a championship team for the future. He's 27 years old. Unless we're ready to win now (we aren't), pursuing him wouldn't make any sense.
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Postby ShowTime_IR on Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:43 pm

After tonights game i want Kyle Korver on the team next season. he's one hell of a championship piece.
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Postby LakersN4 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:11 pm

^ pretty sure we offered him the mini mle before we offered it to Kaveman.. He went to ATL for more $. I remember reading that we were interested in him.
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Postby Chillbongo on Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:46 pm

What I meant was, I'd take a solid 4 guys who are earning their future NBA paychecks versus an underwhelming player with a big name. I don't see Rudy taking this team any further than our current roster (if it were Rudy for Pau straight up).

At least with Hill, Henry, Farmar, & Johnson you have young, hungry guys, and at least two of them can only get better. If there's one thing I learned, big names don't equal big games.

The Lakers teams of Championship pedigree have always possessed role players and a couple of star players to form the perfect storm. I see Rudy filling neither of those roles and being a waste of time.
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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:25 pm

2. This will be Luol Deng's last season in Chicago.

Only a championship for the Bulls this season can potentially lead to a management rethink that invalidates this one. Otherwise? There are just too many raw feelings at hand after Chicago refused to seriously negotiate with Deng on an extension this past offseason despite his standing as one of Tom Thibodeau's all-time favorites. Deng will be a free agent in July and rest assured, at 28, he's going to attract significant interest. We're talking about a pro's pro, so you won't see any dismay seep into his game, but the overwhelming likelihood is that Deng and the Bulls -- after years and years of trade speculation that never begat an actual trade -- will finally be going their separate ways in July. Veteran Bulls watchers don't see any way that the organization plans to pay Deng as well as the blossoming Jimmy Butler.


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This is a guy we need to go after next year, IMO. He'll probably want to be paid, but I sure hope we can land him...a top 10 SF who plays good defense, has an offensive game, and would definitely be a huge help. He can lockup the SF position for the next 3-4 years for us...
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Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:16 am

Deng? >>> Deal! But yeah he's going to want to get paid.
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Postby M2K on Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:04 am

This season is a wash... no way this team does anything dramatic other than answering where in the lottery they will finish. In this type of season, let the truth reign supreme... Mike D'Antoni was a f'n ridiculous hire... as was Rudy T and Mike Brown... all three hirings having Jim Buss's stench on them.

Mike D'Antoni needs to go... instead of sticking around to win barely enough games to put us in at the tail end of the lottery picks. Might as well get a no-name coach to ride out the season, pile up the losses with the scrubs we have on this team, and then next season...

Hire a real coach, draft a star player, bring Kobe back and sign two All Star free agents... then we can fill out the roster with the best players available for signing.

This is the ONLY rational, reasonable plan if the FO is truly interested in competing within the next few years.
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Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:13 am

Tanking is the last
option...we have capspace to get better.
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Postby themasterphil on Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:41 am

Laker fans, I want to ask what do you think about our next coach . Pringles will be fired after this season for sure, there is no point to make good strong team next season and have MDA in. He can have some fun until this season ends but he is done. So who do you have in mind for our coach. I was thinking about Byron Scott. I think its time to start thinking about the coach bc he is big part of every good team.What do you think??
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Postby XXIV on Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:07 am

themasterphil wrote:Laker fans, I want to ask what do you think about our next coach . Pringles will be fired after this season for sure, there is no point to make good strong team next season and have MDA in. He can have some fun until this season ends but he is done. So who do you have in mind for our coach. I was thinking about Byron Scott. I think its time to start thinking about the coach bc he is big part of every good team.What do you think??


Byron Scott is one of the names being thrown around here, but we won't really have an idea until we see who's available at the end of the season. Who knows, maybe if we strike out in FA we end up keeping MDA for another year.
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Postby khmrP on Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:18 am

XXIV wrote:
themasterphil wrote:Laker fans, I want to ask what do you think about our next coach . Pringles will be fired after this season for sure, there is no point to make good strong team next season and have MDA in. He can have some fun until this season ends but he is done. So who do you have in mind for our coach. I was thinking about Byron Scott. I think its time to start thinking about the coach bc he is big part of every good team.What do you think??


Byron Scott is one of the names being thrown around here, but we won't really have an idea until we see who's available at the end of the season. Who knows, maybe if we strike out in FA we end up keeping MDA for another year.


Scott's been booted 3x already, players get tired of him quickly.
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Postby Lakerjones on Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:43 am

themasterphil wrote:Laker fans, I want to ask what do you think about our next coach . Pringles will be fired after this season for sure, there is no point to make good strong team next season and have MDA in. He can have some fun until this season ends but he is done. So who do you have in mind for our coach. I was thinking about Byron Scott. I think its time to start thinking about the coach bc he is big part of every good team.What do you think??


I have no problem with the idea of Byron Scott as head coach. He's solid and I think he could be good with a younger group like we're beginning to see here. Take Nash/Pau/Blake off the team next year due to expiring/retiring, and retain some of these younger guys and the team will have a different look and one that Scott could probably help mold with some defensive intensity and sound offense. Farmar might drive him a little crazy though. If there was some way to turn Pau into a starting caliber PG we'd be in better shape.

Kobe loves Scott, so there's no problem there.
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Postby Lakerjones on Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:46 am

khmrP wrote:
XXIV wrote:
themasterphil wrote:Laker fans, I want to ask what do you think about our next coach . Pringles will be fired after this season for sure, there is no point to make good strong team next season and have MDA in. He can have some fun until this season ends but he is done. So who do you have in mind for our coach. I was thinking about Byron Scott. I think its time to start thinking about the coach bc he is big part of every good team.What do you think??


Byron Scott is one of the names being thrown around here, but we won't really have an idea until we see who's available at the end of the season. Who knows, maybe if we strike out in FA we end up keeping MDA for another year.


Scott's been booted 3x already, players get tired of him quickly.


He tends to really burn out veterans. But if we have a younger squad minus Nash/Pau/Blake, I think he could work well. He and Kobe have similar tough nosed attitudes and hardcore work ethics, plus Scott mentored Kobe. They have always gotten along really well.
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