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Postby LakersN4 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:48 am

Deng is a great piece next to Kobe.. I'd rather sign him for 10-12M than Melo for the max, for sure.
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Postby karacha on Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:52 am

Sign both and play Melo at the 4. :man1:
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Postby therealdeal on Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:02 am

karacha wrote:Sign both and play Melo at the 4. :man1:

Exactly.
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Postby The Laker Link on Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:15 am

What if we hired the Van Gundy brothers? Take your pick as who is head coach and who is assistant? Maybe keep Rambis and some of the guys currently and see how it goes.
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Postby Savory Griddles on Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:10 am

We need to stop living in the past. Say no to Byron Scott. The dude cannot coach more than 2 seasons in the same place without causing a mutiny. I'd love to have one of the Van Gundy brothers. At least they may bring a defensive identity. As for Deng, He's a nice player, but he's not the transcendent player we need to take Kobe's place. I would rather leave our roster empty to give us a better chance in 2015 to secure that guy.

Honestly, part of me is starting to wonder if it wouldn't be better to have Kobe not come back close to where he was so we aren't expected to use 10 million or so of our cap on a 35 year old, which would kill the chance that we could get a nice, younger player like Deng (who isn't super young, but he's at least in his 20s) to fill in around, let's say Love and Rondo.
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Postby LakersN4 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:23 pm

karacha wrote:Sign both and play Melo at the 4. :man1:

I wouldn't be opposed to this.. But I think if we can sign Melo we'll do that first in hopes it lures Lebron.. If the Heat don't 3peat the picture changes.. If they 3peat & Lebron is off the table I'd be all for Deng/Melo.. We need a really good defensive anchor to split minutes with Hill at C though.. Asik would be ideal. Gortat is probably the best that will be a free agent. No way we could afford him after Melo & Deng so we'd have to take the MIA approach hoping Hill & signings on the level of Birdman are enough.
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Postby themasterphil on Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:04 pm

I agree also with Deng and Melo but we also have some other option other than that. I just look at FA next year and if you ask me these our some of the solutions.
PG- Stuckey or Bayless/ Farmar( I would like Stuckey but Bayless would be OK. Lowry is there also but I dont like his game at all)
SG- Kobe ( for lets say 10-15mil) / Young
SF- Deng or Granger/ Henry or Brandon Rush or both
PF- Melo/ AF Aminu or Hansbrought if he deacide to go from the Raptors
C- Hill/ Hawes( I like his game, he is really thought and great hustle guy, also can shoot and make boards)

Its 10 players , just put there some role players and one player from the draft and thats it. Most important Q is about the coach. This doesnt mean anything if we give this team to MDA.
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Postby LakersN4 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:09 pm

If we miss out on Deng but want a less than max player at SF, I wouldn't be surprised to see us bring Ariza back for half the price over Granger.. I think Granger is a strong candidate to be the next allstar to have injuries push him out of the league.. Not a gamble we can afford to take. & it really pains me to say that cuz I've been on here posting about how we should trade Pau for Granger or George + filler for a few offseasons now.. If we got PG we'd be looking like geniuses right now but Granger would have really hurt us with all the time he missed.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:11 pm

karacha wrote:Sign both and play Melo at the 4. :man1:

I brought this up last week and really think it would be a formidable group. Maybe even sign Lowry to be our PG, idk...
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Postby therealdeal on Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:54 am

Battle Tested20 wrote:
karacha wrote:Sign both and play Melo at the 4. :man1:

I brought this up last week and really think it would be a formidable group. Maybe even sign Lowry to be our PG, idk...

12- Kobe
10- Deng
21- Carmelo

Those are our long term deals. That's 43 million. That'd give us just about 15 million for 2015. I don't know if the FO would be willing to go that route, but I'd be alright with it. Maybe frontload Kobe's deal so that he makes 20 the first year, then down to 8 million? That'd bring it closer to 19 million available...

I don't know. Just some thoughts.
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Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:08 am

Deng has been declining. I don't think he's a 10M type player anymore. 6-8 at most.
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Postby Savory Griddles on Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:17 am

therealdeal wrote:
Battle Tested20 wrote:
karacha wrote:Sign both and play Melo at the 4. :man1:

I brought this up last week and really think it would be a formidable group. Maybe even sign Lowry to be our PG, idk...

12- Kobe
10- Deng
21- Carmelo

Those are our long term deals. That's 43 million. That'd give us just about 15 million for 2015. I don't know if the FO would be willing to go that route, but I'd be alright with it. Maybe frontload Kobe's deal so that he makes 20 the first year, then down to 8 million? That'd bring it closer to 19 million available...

I don't know. Just some thoughts.


I think front loading Kobe's deal is definitely something to consider, especially since I don't really like any of the free agents this offseason and like 2015 MUCH better. I like Deng, but for no more than 8 million. I really don't want Melo around here. I'd rather we sign Kobe to 30 million in year one then have his next two years be worth 5 million each. Sign Deng for 8 million. Hopefully get a top 5 draft pick after we flame out hard (Joel Embiid). Then sign Rondo and Love in 2015.

c - Embiid
pf - Love
sf - Deng
sg - Kobe
pg - Rondo

It's a nice mix of veterans and youngsters. All their game compliment each other, and with a little luck in the draft, completely realistic.
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Postby therealdeal on Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:21 am

I don't know about that. Deng's numbers are all fairly consistent over the last 2 seasons with his career averages. He hasn't gotten much worse, he just hasn't gotten any better. I think he gets probably 10 million per year given his play and the market for long wing players who can defend and shoot.

Even so, say it's 4/40 million. The first year he'd make less than 10 million if they gave him the usual 125% increase per season. He'd make closer to 7 million in that first year, a little less I think.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:55 pm

Is Mark Heisler reliable ? He was saying in an article for Sheridan blog his "sources" :man10: told him Lakers don't want Melo .... which would be a good thing .....

Some "talks" around the league believe we are going to throw a max contract at Bledsoe ... Suns can match since he is a RFA
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Postby kenzo on Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:16 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:Is Mark Heisler reliable ? He was saying in an article for Sheridan blog his "sources" :man10: told him Lakers don't want Melo .... which would be a good thing .....

Some "talks" around the league believe we are going to throw a max contract at Bledsoe ... Suns can match since he is a RFA

What?!?! They better match it, dear God :freak2:
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:01 am

^^^^ only speculations/talks on the internet ... not even a rumor
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Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 11, 2013 6:52 am

How desperate are we?

Sheesh.
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Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:30 am

I really don't put a lot of stock into Mark Heisler...Mitch is very patient and keeps everything close to the vest; that said, I think he'll be patient and evaluate where we are by 'deadlines.' The trade deadline and the end of the year when free agency begins and ends...
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Postby Savory Griddles on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:04 am

Max deal at Bledsoe? :man10: :man10:

A hot first seven games does not a max contract make.
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:28 am

I don't think we're going to max Bledsoe. :man10:

But he's certainly a very good looking young player. He has the ability to change games from both ends of the court. I wouldn't mind if the Lakers went for him... just not for the max.
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Postby Lakerjones on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:30 am

Doc Brown wrote:How desperate are we?

Sheesh.


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Postby Center Court on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:42 am

Lakerjones wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:How desperate are we?

Sheesh.


:bang:


Extremely young, athletic, great defender, ability to attack the basket, create his own shot, can play the 2, and seems durable.

When they say max, it's not a LeBron or Melo or Kobe max. It's the Rondo/Lawson/Curry max which is around $14M.

IMO, slightly overpaying but I think it'd give Bron more reason to consider LA (he and EB are tight) which gives more credence to Melo and Bron happening. Not that it will but at lease makes it more plausible.

I've been the guy clamoring for Rondo, who will want the vet max, but I think Bled is a guy who can be a top 5-7 PG in the league. At $10M, no brainer. At $14M, very tough call.

I prefer Rondo. He and Love WILL be great fits next to each other. My only question is what number will Love be when he gets here? 42 is Worthy's.
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Postby Doc Brown on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:52 am

It doesn't matter really. The Suns aren't just going to let him walk, so the discussion is irrelevant to have.
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Postby kenzo on Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:56 am

Doc Brown wrote:It doesn't matter really. The Suns aren't just going to let him walk, so the discussion is irrelevant to have.

QFT. "Decent" RFA's are impossible to get.
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Postby Doc Brown on Tue Nov 12, 2013 6:44 am

Large grain of salt, it's Amico....

Nash's injury has NBA execs expecting to hear from Lakers
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Published: Tuesday, November 12, 2013, 2:10am | 1 Comment
With the news of Steve Nash’s latest setback, Los Angeles Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak is likely to search for help at point guard, several league executives told FOX Sports Ohio.

“It’s not like Mitch to sit and do nothing,” said one. “I’d be really surprised if that’s his course.”

The Lakers revealed Monday that Nash will be sidelined at least two weeks with nerve root irritation in his back.

Nash, 39, is the NBA’s oldest player. He already sat out two of the Lakers’ first eight games, and appeared to labor through most of the others.

Nash is averaging 6.7 points and 4.8 assists -- his lowest numbers in both categories in 14 years.

Since last season, the Lakers have lost Dwight Howard to free agency and Kobe Bryant to injury. Howard departed for the Houston Rockets and Bryant tore his Achilles tendon.

Bryant, 35, underwent surgery in April. No timetable has been set for his return.

League executives who spoke to FOX Sports Ohio wondered if the Lakers, attempting to stay in position for a playoff berth while waiting for Bryant’s return, have the assets to make a move should they explore a trade for a point guard.

Right now, Steve Blake and Jordan Farmar are the only healthy point guards on the roster. Blake has been starting at shooting guard in Bryant’s absence.

Lakers coach Mike D’Antoni could shift Blake back to the point, continue to bring Farmar off the bench and start either Jodie Meeks or Xavier Henry at shooting guard.

The Lakers (3-5) play six games over the next two weeks. But as the Lakers said in their announcement, Nash could miss more time than that.

The Los Angeles Times reported Nash was struggling following a 113-90 home loss Sunday to the Minnesota Timberwolves.

“I hesitate to even talk about it now because it’s probably not a good time,” Nash said. “I’m feeling a little emotional, but it’s hard. I really want to play and I really want to play the way I’m accustomed to playing, and to be so limited is frustrating. And also to not know where a clean-ish bill of health is is a little daunting too.”

League execs said they had not heard from Kupchak as of late Monday, but all expected that to change shortly.

“We have a good idea which players (on the roster) he’ll ask about,” said one GM. “We’re already preparing counter offers.”
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