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Postby therealdeal on Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:29 pm

Young is alright. We're not ready to add a Young though.

We need a franchise before we get to a Young. He's a complimentary player to a great team and we need all the space we can get for a real franchise guy.
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Postby LakersN4 on Thu Dec 19, 2013 10:48 pm

therealdeal wrote:Young is alright. We're not ready to add a Young though.

We need a franchise before we get to a Young. He's a complimentary player to a great team and we need all the space we can get for a real franchise guy.

Unless you're on the sign Melo train, we aren't getting a franchise guy this season or next. With Philly making Young, Hawes, Turner available, that would be a package I couldn't turn down for Pau & 1 of our young guys they like.. Highly doubt they'd come near that though.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby nduri on Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:17 pm

Frank Dux wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:


Tor - Pau
LAL - Lowry / Deng
Chi - Derozan

or

Tor - Pau
LAL - Amir / Deng
Chi - Derozan


Lowry and Deng for Pau? Sign me up.[/quote]

You could kiss those sweet ping pong balls goodbye if we went through with this. As it stands we have an excellent chance at landing a franchise changing player who would be on a rookie contract. Lowry and Deng are nice players, but it's not like they would give us any shot at contending this year, all they would do is add more wins so that we're a mediocre high lotto team, maaaybe 1st round exit, at best... Basically NBA hell. Besides, both of those guys are ours if we really want them in 2014(Free agency). So I would rather play out the season with the gangbuster youth, and nail a top 5 pick, and go from there. Exum, Wiggins, or Parker would be absolutely huge for us.

I know Pau isn't getting us a lotto, but maybe a contender would be willing to part with a late 1st and an expiring?[/quote]

Totally agree, we have to return to the Dynasty building mindset, granted Kobe would like another one before he's done but as a Laker fan, I'd like another 5 or 6...or more. This year, getting anyone other than Lebron, and Paul probably wouldn't put us in the finals. We have a chance to get a cheap, young talent to put with another max talent in free agency, we'll be on our way back without years of mediocrity.
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Postby Center Court on Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:19 am

nduri wrote:
Frank Dux wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:


Tor - Pau
LAL - Lowry / Deng
Chi - Derozan

or

Tor - Pau
LAL - Amir / Deng
Chi - Derozan


Lowry and Deng for Pau? Sign me up.


You could kiss those sweet ping pong balls goodbye if we went through with this. As it stands we have an excellent chance at landing a franchise changing player who would be on a rookie contract. Lowry and Deng are nice players, but it's not like they would give us any shot at contending this year, all they would do is add more wins so that we're a mediocre high lotto team, maaaybe 1st round exit, at best... Basically NBA hell. Besides, both of those guys are ours if we really want them in 2014(Free agency). So I would rather play out the season with the gangbuster youth, and nail a top 5 pick, and go from there. Exum, Wiggins, or Parker would be absolutely huge for us.

I know Pau isn't getting us a lotto, but maybe a contender would be willing to part with a late 1st and an expiring?[/quote]

Totally agree, we have to return to the Dynasty building mindset, granted Kobe would like another one before he's done but as a Laker fan, I'd like another 5 or 6...or more. This year, getting anyone other than Lebron, and Paul probably wouldn't put us in the finals. We have a chance to get a cheap, young talent to put with another max talent in free agency, we'll be on our way back without years of mediocrity.[/quote]


^^^^

We need a lotto pick. It's our best bet in building a long term contender. Anything in the top 3 and you've got a superstar. Anything 4-7 you've got an all star, and 8-14 is still filled with guys who can play at all star type levels. No doubt there will be steals and busts but getting a high pick is a great position to be in and gives you control over who you'd like to take.

For me: Wiggins, Parker, Smart, Randle, Embiid, Exum. That's the order I'd draft in. Maybe flip flop 1 and 2.

Add a superstar level talent via free agency to a rookie contract all star and it's a great recipe for success.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby therealdeal on Fri Dec 20, 2013 10:29 am

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therealdeal wrote:Young is alright. We're not ready to add a Young though.

We need a franchise before we get to a Young. He's a complimentary player to a great team and we need all the space we can get for a real franchise guy.

Unless you're on the sign Melo train, we aren't getting a franchise guy this season or next. With Philly making Young, Hawes, Turner available, that would be a package I couldn't turn down for Pau & 1 of our young guys they like.. Highly doubt they'd come near that though.

1. I am certainly on the sign Carmelo Anthony train. Definitely.

2. Philly wants to get rid of their pieces so they're going to give us ALL of them for Pau and a guy? That's insanity. Obviously if Pau turns into Turner, Hawes, AND Young you take it, but that's not happening. Young is going to be sent away for a pick to a good team or a team trying to make the playoffs. Hawes and Turner too. You'd be lucky to get one of those players for Pau.

And like has already been pointed out a million times, the Lakers aren't taking on salary. Why? Because we don't have a franchise player yet and we don't want to be mired in the same problems as middling teams with no money to spend and no way out of mediocrity.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:16 pm

Lance Stephenson with another triple double tonight. He's going to be an UFA this offseason. If I'm the Lakers, I'm making him an offer.

It's his 3rd triple double this season.
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Postby Center Court on Tue Dec 24, 2013 1:20 am

Doc Brown wrote:Lance Stephenson with another triple double tonight. He's going to be an UFA this offseason. If I'm the Lakers, I'm making him an offer.

It's his 3rd triple double this season.


Great role player/difference maker on a championship level team. Not a guy to build around IMO. Especially with Kobe gobbling up as much as he is next year, it'd make it extremely tough to add another superstar if we signed Lance.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Tue Dec 24, 2013 3:59 am

Pacers can't afford losing him which means we will have to overpay , something we shouldn't do ...

This is why drafts are important ... 13/7/5 on 48% shooting ( and 37% from 3) , his 2013-2014 salary =900k

We could use a starter caliber player on a rookie scale contract ...
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Postby Doc Brown on Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:45 am

Center Court wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Lance Stephenson with another triple double tonight. He's going to be an UFA this offseason. If I'm the Lakers, I'm making him an offer.

It's his 3rd triple double this season.


Great role player/difference maker on a championship level team. Not a guy to build around IMO. Especially with Kobe gobbling up as much as he is next year, it'd make it extremely tough to add another superstar if we signed Lance.


Who said anything about building around him? I'm not talking about giving him a max deal. Give him a reasonable contract and see if we can get him.

With that logic we shouldn't sign anyone and hold out on pipe dreams of all the stars wanting to leave and come here.
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Postby Doc Brown on Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:48 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:Pacers can't afford losing him which means we will have to overpay , something we shouldn't do ...

This is why drafts are important ... 13/7/5 on 48% shooting ( and 37% from 3) , his 2013-2014 salary =900k

We could use a starter caliber player on a rookie scale contract ...


We don't have to overpay, he's not a RFA. Offer him a reasonable deal and see if the Pacers are willing to go over the cap to sign him.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Tue Dec 24, 2013 8:44 am

^^^^ I meant in a way he would choose us over Indiana ..

I'd offer him a 4 years 28M ish deal ...
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Postby Center Court on Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:45 am

Doc Brown wrote:
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Doc Brown wrote:Lance Stephenson with another triple double tonight. He's going to be an UFA this offseason. If I'm the Lakers, I'm making him an offer.

It's his 3rd triple double this season.


Great role player/difference maker on a championship level team. Not a guy to build around IMO. Especially with Kobe gobbling up as much as he is next year, it'd make it extremely tough to add another superstar if we signed Lance.


Who said anything about building around him? I'm not talking about giving him a max deal. Give him a reasonable contract and see if we can get him.

With that logic we shouldn't sign anyone and hold out on pipe dreams of all the stars wanting to leave and come here.



Nobody said anything about building around him, but by giving him the contract such as 4-$28, you're preventing yourself from bringing 2 max guys to carry the franchise. If you want Melo this off-season and Lance also, that could work, but then no more big free agents until Kobe comes off the books. Either way, it's a moot point because Indy is not letting him leave.

IMO the best plan is to continue to suck, get lotto pick (hopefully with some luck), keep the majority of this team together then go for Love next summer. If Bledsoe can be had for $10 or less (impossible) then spend it on him. Maybe Kyrie declines his option in 2015 and we can max him in 16. If not, Rondo and Love sounds pretty appealing in 15.
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Postby Doc Brown on Tue Dec 24, 2013 2:19 pm

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Center Court wrote:Great role player/difference maker on a championship level team. Not a guy to build around IMO. Especially with Kobe gobbling up as much as he is next year, it'd make it extremely tough to add another superstar if we signed Lance.


Who said anything about building around him? I'm not talking about giving him a max deal. Give him a reasonable contract and see if we can get him.

With that logic we shouldn't sign anyone and hold out on pipe dreams of all the stars wanting to leave and come here.



Nobody said anything about building around him


See bolded above.

, but by giving him the contract such as 4-$28, you're preventing yourself from bringing 2 max guys to carry the franchise. If you want Melo this off-season and Lance also, that could work, but then no more big free agents until Kobe comes off the books. Either way, it's a moot point because Indy is not letting him leave.

IMO the best plan is to continue to suck, get lotto pick (hopefully with some luck), keep the majority of this team together then go for Love next summer. If Bledsoe can be had for $10 or less (impossible) then spend it on him. Maybe Kyrie declines his option in 2015 and we can max him in 16. If not, Rondo and Love sounds pretty appealing in 15.


We can barely squeeze one max player in right now with Kobe and we are supposed to hold out and get two super star players? Let's get back to being realistic. Or not.....

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Postby LakersN4 on Fri Dec 27, 2013 4:48 pm

Luol Deng is already receiving interest from the Cleveland Cavaliers, Dallas Mavericks, Los Angeles Lakers, Toronto Raptors, San Antonio Spurs, Memphis Grizzlies and Brooklyn Nets among others, according to sources.

The Bulls have reportedly decided they will try to re-sign Deng in free agency.

“I’ve moved around a lot, but this is the longest I’ve been in one place my whole life and I came here at 19," Deng said. "I’m 28 now. I pretty much grew up here. So for me to think about being somewhere else, it’s a weird feeling. But at the same time, I don’t know what it’s like to be somewhere else. I’ve been here my whole career. Maybe it’s better, maybe it’s not. I don’t know that. The best thing I can do is play, be the best I can be and hope it works out. I don’t know if it will be here, if it will be somewhere else. I don’t know that.

"But right now, I can’t hang on to that. I can’t control that. I think when the season’s over and everything is done, then you sit down and you go through that stuff. But for me to think about it now, it’s just a waste of energy because I don’t even know — what am I supposed to think about? I don’t know what city. So it’s just a waste of time.”

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Postby Doc Brown on Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:11 am

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Rival execs predicting Lance Stephenson will be worth between $7 and $9 million per season in a multi year deal this summer
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That would put the Pacers at 67-69 million without including their 1st round pick.

I would take Stephenson at 9 million + Monroe at 13 million over Melo at 20 million.

We need to two big breaks to get those guys, but if it kept us from dumping all that money into Melo, please do it Mitch.
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Postby therealdeal on Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:58 pm

My main problem there: do those two make us a Champion? Do those two get us in the playoffs?

Because if we tie up our money in those two, we're not getting anybody else for a couple years. Is it enough? I don't know.
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Postby Barnstable on Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:12 pm

therealdeal wrote:My main problem there: do those two make us a Champion? Do those two get us in the playoffs?

Because if we tie up our money in those two, we're not getting anybody else for a couple years. Is it enough? I don't know.


IMO, we need to put the money into a defensive Center or PF+C combo. I think we have the off guard and SF positions sown up for the most part as I expect us to be able to sign at least some of our young players, but our inside presence is terrible right now. That above all else, is losing us games (aside from the injuries). Jordan is a great asset, but he's not a defensive enforcer aside from offensive rebounding.

It would also be great to get a two way PG, but I could see rolling with Blake and Farmar if we get two really good bigs. Monroe needs to be a big focus IMO.
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Postby Kobe8Fan on Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:24 pm

Bulls Still Want To Re-Sign Luol Deng

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The Chicago Bulls remain determined to keep Luol Deng and hope to re-sign him in the offseason.

Deng will be a free agent in the offseason and the two sides broke off extension talks before the start of the season.

Deng has been mentioned in trade rumors with several teams.


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Postby karacha on Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:27 pm

No Deng, no deal, right?
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Postby Savory Griddles on Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:31 pm

therealdeal wrote:My main problem there: do those two make us a Champion? Do those two get us in the playoffs?

Because if we tie up our money in those two, we're not getting anybody else for a couple years. Is it enough? I don't know.


Exactly. I'm personally starting to hope we do NOTHING this offseason...more one year deals and then go after Love in '15 and then someone else in '16. We will not win anything as long as we have Kobe eating up half our cap space. It was one of the worst contracts before he broke his knee. Now it looks like the worst deal in the NBA from a basketball perspective.
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Postby LakersN4 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:57 pm

Rather than doing nothing, I think we'd be well served to send Pau to Memphis in exchange for Z-Bo & Bayless.. Z-Bo opts into his player option next season, we lock up some of our young guys & wait 1 more season for Love/Rondo/LMA to hit the market. Allows us to stay competitive next season without killing our cap space long term.
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Postby therealdeal on Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:18 pm

Barnstable wrote:
therealdeal wrote:My main problem there: do those two make us a Champion? Do those two get us in the playoffs?

Because if we tie up our money in those two, we're not getting anybody else for a couple years. Is it enough? I don't know.


IMO, we need to put the money into a defensive Center or PF+C combo. I think we have the off guard and SF positions sown up for the most part as I expect us to be able to sign at least some of our young players, but our inside presence is terrible right now. That above all else, is losing us games (aside from the injuries). Jordan is a great asset, but he's not a defensive enforcer aside from offensive rebounding.

It would also be great to get a two way PG, but I could see rolling with Blake and Farmar if we get two really good bigs. Monroe needs to be a big focus IMO.

I understand. I like Monroe and I think he'll be a very solid player. I just don't know about Bledsoe or Stephenson or any other wing right now honestly being able to support our team to the Championship. I don't want to put any money into a player that I don't think will be enough... Even though I really like those players.

Saywe sign Monroe this summer at 12 million, have our draft pick worth roughly 2-3 million, Sacre, and Kobe at 24 million. That's about 40 million dollars which would leave us enough room to go get Love the next summer. I'd like that scenario.
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Postby Doc Brown on Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:27 pm

therealdeal wrote:My main problem there: do those two make us a Champion? Do those two get us in the playoffs?

Because if we tie up our money in those two, we're not getting anybody else for a couple years. Is it enough? I don't know.


As long as Kobe is on the roster, we have room for 1 max person. Does Kobe/Melo or Kobe/Love make us any more of a champion than Kobe/Stephenson/Monroe?

Love can put up stats, but he still can't push his team to anything more than a .500 fringe playoff team at best and he's injury prone.

We can do better than tying up a 30 year old Melo for 4-5 years.

We need to get younger, we need to build a team with young up and coming players. And what is stopping us from getting anybody for a couple of years? If we truly wanted that person, I'm sure Stephenson and Monroe could be traded relatively easily.

If Portland keeps playing like this, LMA isn't going anywhere. That further weakens the 2015 FA class.

If I'm taking chances, give me the two young guys with potential to elevate their games + a nice lottery pick. Add in resigning some of our own guys from this squad and we have arguably one of the best young group of guys led by Kobe.

Does that equal championship? Who knows, but it gives a lot more flexibility going forward.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby LakersN4 on Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:42 pm

I'm all for signing Monroe but Stephenson is too much of a gamble.. Noone knows yet if he's just a product of playing on a stacked team where's he's the 4th-5th guy the defense has to worry about most of the time, or if he's just as good as he looks. We don't have enough room for error to take those kind of gambles.. I'd offer that money to the more proven Lowry instead. We need a real starting PG much more than we need a combo guard/wing.
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Postby Doc Brown on Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:48 pm

I'd be all for Lowry as well. I personally like Stephenson and think he's only scratching the surface as to how good he can be.

Whether it be Lowry or Stephenson, I think the team would be better off going forward splitting the max slot between two very good players, rather than 1 great player.
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