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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:49 pm

trodgers wrote:Harris is kind of beasting. He's averaging 30-6-4. In 12 games, he's been at:
20+ points 11 times
30+ points 6 times
40+ points twice
High of 49.

He's also been paraded to the FT line. Double digit FTA nine times.


I'd bring him up to see what he's got at this level. He hasn't played in the NBA since he was with the Cavs. At 24 years old it could be another steal for us if he works out.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby revgen on Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:51 pm

Rumors abound that we want to trade for an "athletic power forward".

According to Chad Ford of ESPN, Joakim Noah is on the block. Pau's expiring for Joakim?

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Don't think so. Lots of talk about those two as well as Boozer. I've said this in several of our last Tank Ranks, management has made the decision to tank this season. Coach isn't on board, but they can keep taking cards out of his hand to play.


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Postby Rooscooter on Mon Jan 13, 2014 6:54 pm

revgen wrote:Rumors abound that we want to trade for an "athletic power forward".

According to Chad Ford of ESPN, Joakim Noah is on the block. Pau's expiring for Joakim?

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Are the bulls done trading? That about Kirk or Noah?
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Don't think so. Lots of talk about those two as well as Boozer. I've said this in several of our last Tank Ranks, management has made the decision to tank this season. Coach isn't on board, but they can keep taking cards out of his hand to play.


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Well....if true, we won't go after Monroe or Love. It's Melo and bust..... err.... or bust.....
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Savory Griddles on Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:34 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
revgen wrote:Rumors abound that we want to trade for an "athletic power forward".

According to Chad Ford of ESPN, Joakim Noah is on the block. Pau's expiring for Joakim?

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Are the bulls done trading? That about Kirk or Noah?
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Don't think so. Lots of talk about those two as well as Boozer. I've said this in several of our last Tank Ranks, management has made the decision to tank this season. Coach isn't on board, but they can keep taking cards out of his hand to play.



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Well....if true, we won't go after Monroe or Love. It's Melo and bust..... err.... or bust.....


I want nothing to do with Noah. Solid player but he seems to be hurt a lot. Like you can pencil hoim in for 65 games.
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Re: Roster Improvements: addition by subtractions

Postby Vasashi17 on Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:05 pm

I would do Noah, all day, every day.....

:man3: Okay, that came out weird, but what I'm trying to say is, give me players that value defense.

If we can get Rondo and Noah and a defensive coach that can responsibly monitor their minutes, along with Kobe's minutes...I truly believe LA gets right back into contention even with those players' injury history.

Use Pau's expiring to bring in Noah and possibly a pick. Use our 2014 pick (if its outside of top 5) and Nash's expiring this summer to get Rondo.

Noah, Rondo, JVG (or Thibs if he decides to dip)... :man13:
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Postby Rooscooter on Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:28 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:I would do Noah, all day, every day.....

:man3: Okay, that came out weird, but what I'm trying to say is, give me players that value defense.

If we can get Rondo and Noah and a defensive coach that can responsibly monitor their minutes, along with Kobe's minutes...I truly believe LA gets right back into contention even with those players' injury history.

Use Pau's expiring to bring in Noah and possibly a pick. Use our 2014 pick (if its outside of top 5) and Nash's expiring this summer to get Rondo.

Noah, Rondo, JVG (or Thibs if he decides to dip)... :man13:


So.... if I'm reading this correctly you're saying MDA wouldn't be your first choice for coach next year......

Also you can try and explain away the first sentence all you want.....
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Postby karacha on Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:31 pm

Rondo and Noah sounds great actually. Lots of heart and defense.... but tons of injuries as well. Ballsy idea, but risky.
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Postby Vasashi17 on Mon Jan 13, 2014 8:37 pm

Roos, I don't think I will ever have the right words to express my feelings on MDA and his gimmicky offense...soo, I'll just use letters instead...

F MDA

As for that first sentence, lets just say I'm into Noah's "sex faces" as long as they're of this variety:

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Postby therealdeal on Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:18 pm

karacha wrote:Rondo and Noah sounds great actually. Lots of heart and defense.... but tons of injuries as well. Ballsy idea, but risky.

With our luck? They'll miss an entire career's worth of games. I wouldn't mind either of them though.

Noah would be a good fit next to Love by the way. And his contract is roughly the same as Monroe.

13.4 - Noah
4.6 - Rookie
25- Kobe

43 million. Leaves roughly 15 million for Love, maybe 16... Probably not enough... But it wouldn't be much different than Monroe.
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Postby karacha on Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:23 pm

Yeah, I don't think you can get Love for 15M. "Moneeeey can't buy Looooveeeee..."
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Postby Rooscooter on Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:07 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Roos, I don't think I will ever have the right words to express my feelings on MDA and his gimmicky offense...soo, I'll just use letters instead...

F MDA

As for that first sentence, lets just say I'm into Noah's "sex faces" as long as they're of this variety:

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:man10: I don't want him anywhere near me with that "sex face".

As for you idea... I'm neutral on Noah.... If we could get him for Pau I'm all in... If it's FA not so sure...

I've always liked the idea of Rondo and Kobe together.
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:09 pm

karacha wrote:Rondo and Noah sounds great actually. Lots of heart and defense.... but tons of injuries as well. Ballsy idea, but risky.

That's actually a little more than we'd get for a max contract to either Bledsoe or Monroe. :man5:
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Postby khmrP on Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:34 pm

Noah has had foot problem for the past 3-4 seasons, I know for sure he keeps getting plantar fasciatis almost every year for the past 3-4 seasons. You dont want a big with foot problems
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Postby Vasashi17 on Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:35 am

^^^When it matters, dude laces em up. Out of a possible 46 playoff games, he's played in 43 of them. He missed 3 games due to a freak ankle injury (seen @ 1 minute mark in video below). After all, we are playing for the postseason and if he's suffering from plantar fasciatis, you wouldn't know it. He's proven that he can play through it in the postseason.

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Postby LakersN4 on Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:59 am

Noah is a warrior.. He's the anti-Pau.. Not an offensive talent but works extremely hard on the defensive end & boards.. Even when he's playing hurt, he plays all out, especially in the playoffs.. Hard to see how we pull that off when we can't trade our 1st until after we make the pick.. Last summer a Noah for LMA swap was being talked about so that lets you know how much higher his value is than Pau's, maybe including an additional 8M in expiring deals & taking on Boozer too?. If Mitch somehow does it I'll be extremely impressed.
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Tue Jan 14, 2014 2:02 am

karacha wrote:Rondo and Noah sounds great actually. Lots of heart and defense.... but tons of injuries as well. Ballsy idea, but risky.


Agreed ... the pb is nobody whose getting "top dollars ( more than 10 M a season for clarification) and is relatively young can stay healthy minus Bron , Bosh and KD ...
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Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:38 pm

____ / Marshall / Farmar
Kobe / Young
____ / Henry / Harris
Hill / Kelly
____ / Sacre

I think we are 3 players + 1 bench big away from contending again. Question is, how long will it take to get those players?
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Postby karacha on Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:55 pm

If we get lucky, we can pick one of those right away. There will be solid PG, SF and C available in the draft. If we draft a good prospect at the 1, we can get someone like Granger to play the 3. Some scoring, some defense, solid athletic ability. Useful player, but not a superstar. See what we can get for Pau, if anything, and wait for Love. If all that happens -- you have a contender. Just need to get a center somehow and I don't have a definite idea right now. But if we could get these guys first:

Smart/Marshall/Farmar (I'd always go for 3 PGs no matter what)
Kobe/Young
Granger/Henry/keep someone
Hill/Kelly
? Question mark ?/Sacre.

And then flip the 4-5 into

Love/Kelly
Hill/Sacre

Now that looks pretty damn good to me. Enough youth and athleticism, solid veteran presence, great offense, solid defense (especially at the 1, 3, and 5 where you truly need it), greatly improved rebounding and good leadership and, finally, depth in case of injury... This is all without getting anything for Pau. And we have to be able to get something, right? Or he's going to survive again and get signed for peanuts to play the 5 again. :man10:
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Postby trodgers on Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:14 pm

Yes, I think we could do 3 of the 4 this offseason.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:59 am

wait......

you guys really have Marshal ahead of Farmar when he comes back healthy :man3:

That can't be right?
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Postby Helljumper on Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:29 am

Battle Tested20 wrote:wait......

you guys really have Marshal ahead of Farmar when he comes back healthy :man3:

That's can't be right?


Yeah, I gotta disagree with that as well. Farmar doesn't have nearly as good of court vision as Marshall, but he's a much more dynamic player. If he were healthy, D'antoni's system would have similarly inflated his stats.
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Postby trodgers on Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:55 am

I'd start Marshall over Farmar. No doubt.
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Postby karacha on Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:21 am

Battle Tested20 wrote:wait......

you guys really have Marshal ahead of Farmar when he comes back healthy :man3:


Yes.

Aside from better passing, Marshall can handle heavy minutes better and the risk of injury is minimal for Marshall when compared to Farmar.

Farmar's speed and energy can be really valuable off the bench, with the second unit.With him, Young, Henry - you always have the 2nd unit that is athletic, dynamic and will outplay most benches in the league. It's a strategic move.

Generally speaking, I would like our PGs to play less minutes, because the point guards in this modern NBA get injured way too much. Marshall has to worry about it less, but still... better to be safe then sorry.
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Postby trodgers on Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:47 am

Farmar is the kind of guy who can be a difference-maker off the bench on a playoff quality team. I think we're rapidly heading toward being that quality team. Pencil Marshall in at PG, let Kobe heal up, and get some of these other guys experience.
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Postby Slurpee22 on Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:53 am

I don't understand, how MDA keeps misusing Kaman everytime... I really hope he gets traded and he gets a opportunity elsewhere.... you can't have someone in and out of the rotation every game... it can cause locker-room problems....

what a waste signing Kaman with the little money we had.
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