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Postby Kobe Bryant 8 on Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:42 pm

No longterm contracts this season. That's all I'm going to say. If someone wants to hook us up with picks to unload an expiring to us, I'm cool with that. I want NOTHING on the books but scraps for 2016. That's the Durant pursuit. You could put together a superteam that season.
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Postby LakersN4 on Thu Jun 19, 2014 2:45 pm

Doc Brown wrote:You can't just have 7 players on your roster. There are cap holds for the other remaining spots on the team for 500k.

While those 7 add up to 62 million with the cap holds factored in, one of those moves isn't possible because we don't have the cap room to do it.

Right.. See my breakdown above Real.. We'd have 6.87M left to absorb contracts with.. Need 8.4 for even just 1 of Asik or Lin, & that doesn't count the salary of the 25th pick. We can't spend more than 7-8M if we're taking both of the Rockets or Boozer on.
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Postby therealdeal on Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:33 pm

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Doc Brown wrote:You can't just have 7 players on your roster. There are cap holds for the other remaining spots on the team for 500k.

While those 7 add up to 62 million with the cap holds factored in, one of those moves isn't possible because we don't have the cap room to do it.

Right.. See my breakdown above Real.. We'd have 6.87M left to absorb contracts with.. Need 8.4 for even just 1 of Asik or Lin, & that doesn't count the salary of the 25th pick. We can't spend more than 7-8M if we're taking both of the Rockets or Boozer on.

Yeah I got it, Doc Brown clarified.

I wouldn't want to go that route on second thought anyway. Monroe is more suited for Center play and having him and Asik together wouldn't fit. Hearing that we're in the running for Monroe tells me that the Lakers might not be looking into the routes that we're discussing (taking on exirings + picks).
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Postby khmrP on Thu Jun 19, 2014 3:47 pm

Kobe Bryant 8 wrote:No longterm contracts this season. That's all I'm going to say. If someone wants to hook us up with picks to unload an expiring to us, I'm cool with that. I want NOTHING on the books but scraps for 2016. That's the Durant pursuit. You could put together a superteam that season.


Kobe contract comes off the books by then and we couldn't add more than 2 max guys now anyways so there will be room regardless of what we do this summer.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Jun 19, 2014 4:22 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:You can't just have 7 players on your roster. There are cap holds for the other remaining spots on the team for 500k.

While those 7 add up to 62 million with the cap holds factored in, one of those moves isn't possible because we don't have the cap room to do it.

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Postby LakersN4 on Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:21 pm

In light of the Klay rumor & the Chi picks/Boozer to clear space for Melo idea, I thought about how that Chi deal could be improved to land us a good young wing with a better contract situation than Klay.

What about something like Boozer, Gibson, Butler, Dunleavy, 16, 19 for Nash & the 7..

Bulls clear enough cap to go after Melo & bring over Mirotic. Upgrade their picks to a potential core player at 7 on a cheap deal. If Smart & Randle are off the board at 7 that'd be ok for them, as Gordon could come in & become an elite defender in that system.

We get a top 5 wing defender with 2 more years on his rookie contract. Boozer is atleast more productive than Nash to help us make the playoffs this year. A very good defensive big in Gibson who is locked in for 3 more years at 8M 8.5 8.95.. Doesn't make too much to prevent us from adding a max FA next summer. Should get 2 rookies with a chance to be steals.. 4 solid players locked in without sacrificing our financial flexibility. A very good start to a rebuild.
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat Jun 21, 2014 10:36 pm

LakersN4 wrote:In light of the Klay rumor & the Chi picks/Boozer to clear space for Melo idea, I thought about how that Chi deal could be improved to land us a good young wing with a better contract situation than Klay.

What about something like Boozer, Gibson, Butler, Dunleavy, 16, 19 for Nash & the 7..

Bulls clear enough cap to go after Melo & bring over Mirotic. Upgrade their picks to a potential core player at 7 on a cheap deal. If Smart & Randle are off the board at 7 that'd be ok for them, as Gordon could come in & become an elite defender in that system.

We get a top 5 wing defender with 2 more years on his rookie contract. Boozer is atleast more productive than Nash to help us make the playoffs this year. A very good defensive big in Gibson who is locked in for 3 more years at 8M 8.5 8.95.. Doesn't make too much to prevent us from adding a max FA next summer. Should get 2 rookies with a chance to be steals.. 4 solid players locked in without sacrificing our financial flexibility. A very good start to a rebuild.


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Postby therealdeal on Sun Jun 22, 2014 10:10 am

Yeah they'd gut half their assets for their Championship run. You might have a shot at Butler or Gibson, but then you're not getting the picks. You can definitely take on Boozer, but they're not going to take on Nash.
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Postby LakersN4 on Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:01 am

The Boozer #16 & #19 for cap space has already been discussed at length.. I just added Butler/Gibson/Dunleavy for #7 & Nash to save them additional $ & get us out of the dead contract of Nash.. I obviously had a bit too much to drink last night :man10:
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:28 pm

LakersN4 wrote:The Boozer #16 & #19 for cap space has already been discussed at length.. I just added Butler/Gibson/Dunleavy for #7 & Nash to save them additional $ & get us out of the dead contract of Nash.. I obviously had a bit too much to drink last night :man10:

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Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:05 pm

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Postby trodgers on Sun Jun 22, 2014 3:19 pm

Um...but how do we rent him and take their pick if he doesn't opt in?
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Postby JSM on Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:17 pm

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Postby JSM on Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:27 pm

Two NBA executives, when asked where they thought Minnesota star forward Kevin Love would end up, said the Los Angeles Lakers — even though Golden State appears to be the front-runners for his services.
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Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:31 pm

I'm really interested to see how we pull that off. We have the least amount of assets out of any of the teams that have been linked to Love.

Maybe the Spanish connection is too good to pass up. Or they are willing to take our lesser offer if we take back junk like Martin that they are trying to attach to Love.
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Postby therealdeal on Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:40 pm

Doc Brown wrote:I'm really interested to see how we pull that off. We have the least amount of assets out of any of the teams that have been linked to Love.

Maybe the Spanish connection is too good to pass up. Or they are willing to take our lesser offer if we take back junk like Martin that they are trying to attach to Love.

The only way I can see that making sense is if we take on Pekovic or Martin along with Shabazz Muhammad. I just don't think we have the assets to make it work.
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Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:47 pm

I'd rather take the chance and wait a year than take on the injury prone Pek or the more expensive option to a Nick Young in Martin.
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Postby therealdeal on Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:53 pm

I like Pekovic a lot, but you're right he's injured a lot. Not to mention it means giving up the #7 which I'm sure most people won't do.

The problem is if Love lands somewhere that he'd rather stay than move again. Maybe Houston or Chicago or Golden State convince him to stay.
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Postby trodgers on Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:23 pm

See; this is the kind of info that makes it clear that we have no idea what brass is doing. We're talking about acquiring good, young SGs, what will be available at 7 - and rumors appear that people think we're front runners for Kevin Love?
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Postby OX1947 on Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:53 pm

The rookie contract is almost as important than getting a stud. So, Lakers have to get a stud and have that guy on a rookie contract to keep options open. The only way you trade the #7 for one player is if Lebron comes. Than, you trade it for Love, and than you have Kobe, Lebron and Love in the middle of your order. And with gay killing any chance of the kings signing anyone this offseason, see if you can get Isiah Thomas for the MLE.
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Postby Tommyboy456 on Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:29 pm

Lakers going after Lowry in free agency..

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2014/06/lakers-pursue-lowry.html
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Postby unpossibl1 on Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:37 pm

Tommyboy456 wrote:Lakers going after Lowry in free agency..

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2014/06/lakers-pursue-lowry.html


I would be EXTREMELY cautious about overpaying Lowry. Good player but he put up career numbers in a contract year. He's the kind of guy that is great to have on your team at 6 million a season (which is his current contract) but at 10-12 and with a 4 year deal taking him to 32 I would prefer to let another team pay him and look elsewhere.
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Postby Doc Brown on Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:36 pm

If we are going to spend 10 million+ on a guy this offseason, get Greg Monroe.
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Postby TIME on Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:47 pm

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Tommyboy456 wrote:Lakers going after Lowry in free agency..

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2014/06/lakers-pursue-lowry.html


I would be EXTREMELY cautious about overpaying Lowry. Good player but he put up career numbers in a contract year. He's the kind of guy that is great to have on your team at 6 million a season (which is his current contract) but at 10-12 and with a 4 year deal taking him to 32 I would prefer to let another team pay him and look elsewhere.


I have wanted Lowry fora few seasons now, but not at over 11 mil per as this link is suggesting.
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Postby LakersN4 on Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:48 pm

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/11123592/los-angeles-lakers-know-how-sell-free-agent-revival?src=mobile&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2F27nF57VhlT%22%7D

Let's say you package the No. 7 pick with Nash, who is owed $9.7 million in the final year of his contract, in a trade for: a good young player like Klay Thompson, who is eligible for a lucrative extension on a team that isn't sure it wants to pay him yet. Let's say you hold on to Nash until closer to the trade deadline when everyone else is clearing out salary to position for what could be an epic free agent summer of 2015.

It's not a catbird seat like Miami will be in for as long as LeBron James is there, and it's not as strong of a foundation as teams that already have two young stars like Houston, Portland or Chicago are working with. But it's a something. And things could really get interesting if the Lakers can find a way to package Nash with the No. 7 pick in a deal -- likely after July 1 -- that doesn't return any salary (say for a future draft pick or a veteran on a non-guaranteed deal) so they clear between $11 and $12 million in salary for this free-agent summer, giving them over $30 million in cap space to work with

That's enough so that if two of this year's superstar free agents -- LeBron, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh, etc. -- each took a little less ($15-16 million each) and wanted to play together and alongside Kobe Bryant, they could form a pretty hellacious threesome. It's also plenty of money with which to woo one superstar on a max deal and player in the $10-12 million range, like Luol Deng, or re-sign Pau Gasol.

That's a heck of a lot of ifs, of course. One of the biggest being whether younger generation stars want to play alongside Bryant during his golden years after the experiment with Dwight Howard failed.

It's also part of the image the Lakers have been projecting since giving Bryant that thank-you-for-your-service, parting gift of a two-year, $48.5-million contract last fall.

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