Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby Savory Griddles on Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:31 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Frank Dux wrote:
LakerJack wrote:I cant find 5 teams worse than this years Lakers. The Lakers have the worst starting SF, C, and PG in the league. If thats not tanking I dont know what is.


Boston
Jazz
Orlando
Bucks
Pistons
Philly
Kings
Knicks

I might throw in the Nuggets and Hawks too. If Byron is able to get us ticking and Kobe stays healthy, we should be better than those teams too.

I'm not that impressed with the Raptors roster either, but they outperformed themselves last season, maybe they can do it again.


It'd probably be better for us long term if LakerJack's opinion was true cause we could keep our pick. :man10:

But we are going to be competitive for the most part, probably finishing 9th or 10th in the conference.

And Lin is not the worst starting pg in the league. He's middle of the pack at worst.
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:34 pm

Already looking at next year's draft order.... Hmmmm... something tell me that this will be another long season......
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby lakerfan2 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:53 pm

You know what would be worse if we did tank? Ending up with the 6th pick and giving that pick to the Suns. :freak2:
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:09 pm

We're not tanking. No one signs Hill for that much, and takes on a huge Lin contract, and plays Kobe if we're tanking.
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby syl on Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:14 pm

we need an official 'we are NOT tanking' thread! cause this theory is getting annoying
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby therealdeal on Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:17 pm

Savory Griddles wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
Frank Dux wrote:
LakerJack wrote:I cant find 5 teams worse than this years Lakers. The Lakers have the worst starting SF, C, and PG in the league. If thats not tanking I dont know what is.


Boston
Jazz
Orlando
Bucks
Pistons
Philly
Kings
Knicks

I might throw in the Nuggets and Hawks too. If Byron is able to get us ticking and Kobe stays healthy, we should be better than those teams too.

I'm not that impressed with the Raptors roster either, but they outperformed themselves last season, maybe they can do it again.


It'd probably be better for us long term if LakerJack's opinion was true cause we could keep our pick. :man10:

But we are going to be competitive for the most part, probably finishing 9th or 10th in the conference.

And Lin is not the worst starting pg in the league. He's middle of the pack at worst.

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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby D.B. Cooper on Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:31 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Savory Griddles wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
Frank Dux wrote:
LakerJack wrote:I cant find 5 teams worse than this years Lakers. The Lakers have the worst starting SF, C, and PG in the league. If thats not tanking I dont know what is.


Boston
Jazz
Orlando
Bucks
Pistons
Philly
Kings
Knicks

I might throw in the Nuggets and Hawks too. If Byron is able to get us ticking and Kobe stays healthy, we should be better than those teams too.

I'm not that impressed with the Raptors roster either, but they outperformed themselves last season, maybe they can do it again.


It'd probably be better for us long term if LakerJack's opinion was true cause we could keep our pick. :man10:

But we are going to be competitive for the most part, probably finishing 9th or 10th in the conference.

And Lin is not the worst starting pg in the league. He's middle of the pack at worst.

LakerJack is our resident Sunshiner. He's always uplifting in everything he posts.

Always look forward to a downer from LakerJack and Roo.
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby LakerJack on Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:34 am

Weezy wrote:
LakerJack wrote:I cant find 5 teams worse than this years Lakers. The Lakers have the worst starting SF, C, and PG in the league. If thats not tanking I dont know what is.


I can name 6 teams pretty fast, although you may not agree

Magic
Bucks
Sixers
Knicks
Celtics
Jazz

Possibly the Pistons, possibly the Kings, depending on how things go.


I am a realist and the Lakers need the top five pick.
Magic will be better than the Lakers.
So will Bucks, Sixers and Knicks.
Celtics prob not and Utah is a push.
Kings are way better.
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:21 am

:man10:

I'd bookmark this but... it doesn't hold any weight.
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby southbaylakers72 on Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:41 am

I think its very interesting how _down_ on the Lakers some fans are. Let's get real for a moment. Lakers have a pretty good squad given the new rules, limits to who wants to come here with Kobe and not much else in the pipeline. Not a championship squad, but a good squad and one which will be competitive.

Is it just me or does Clarkson look like he could be another Ron Harper with his cutting to the hoop and intensity (chip on his shoulder). Ron Harper post injury b/c Ron Harper in CLE was not the Harper we saw in LA (Clips or Lakers). Defense takes both a coach and a group of players who work together. Last year's squad was all about positioning for FA. This year we have some of that but I think less so. Swaggy signed a 4 year deal. Randle and Clarkson are young talent and have upside--not corrupted by the NBA and CBA--yet.

Lakers are not going to finish higher than 9th or 10th but do have a pick in 2015 and cap room and by this time next year, we will have developed the rooks and know what type of player Kobe is post injury (with one year left on his deal). I think HOU is in a much worse situation than us b/c their roster is very thin after starters and they have guys who are truly in the make-or-break part of their careers. DAL is hanging on. Lakers are going to surprise everyone this year and develop a 'team'

Remember, LA with Kobe, Shaq, Fish, et al. circa 1996...it did not come together right away and even in championship years there were moments where you wondered if we had a 'team' or just a bunch of high priced 'stars.' Its easy to look back at a year and be too high or too low on it based upon 20-20 hindsight. Everyone says "I picked them to win" or "I knew they were going to suck" when the chips are cashed. I think this team is very under-rated in large part due to the fact that people don't know how good Randle is going to be---he looks like Deng/Barkley hybrid in the making. If in 2018 you were to look back at this roster and say we have:

Boozer (Revitalized): PF
Randle (ROY?): SF
Hill (Finally comes into his own as a stretch 5): C
Kobe: SG
Clarkson: PG
Bench:
Lin
Young
Henry (Diamond in the Rough?)
Johnson (Serviceable)
Nash (Vet Leadership and Poise)
Sacre (Better than Mark Landsberger)

I know--it does not look as good on paper as Fish, Kobe, Fox, Horry, Shaq, Harper, Shaw et al. or Buck, B-Scott, Worthy, AC, Kareem, Thompson, et al.

But--it does look better than the 2005 squad and perhaps as interesting as the NVE, Jones, Ceballos, AC, Vlade, Elden Campbell squad.

Im looking forward to the season and 2015, 2016 and putting this team back together after Kobe decides what he plans to do at the end of his contract. Here's to Kobe having a little left in the tank.
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:05 pm

^ you lost me when you said/put Randle as a SF.

But yes, I do agree that we're not in as bad a situation has some on this board might think.
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby syl on Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:18 am

from what i've seen - not interested in 'Randle at SF' theory
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby Fulzgold on Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:44 am

Appreciate the optimism Southbay. Clarkson may be a diamond in the rough but Summer League is virtually meaningless. It's been proven time and time again. There is no way in hell he will be starting over a healthy Jeremy Lin.

I remember a couple of years ago when CL posters were comparing Darius Johnson=Odom to Dwayne Wade lol based on what they had seen in college and summer. Eric Bledsoe was gawd awful in summer league his first year and he's poised to be receiving a $50million+ guaranteed contract just a few years later. Summer league means squat.
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:48 am

I would love him at small forward :man9: Lebron West :jam2:
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby halekulani on Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:01 am

kobe will either go ham or tear his other achilles this season

given how difficult the west is, i think 9th or 10th seed is probably where we'll end up if kobe plays all 82.
one thing is for sure...the lakers won't tank on purpose. it'll be like last year where they're just not good enough to compete, and again, it is possible that our few big names will get injured at one point or another.
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:20 am

Current cap situation by Emplay:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-young-kelly-lakers-over-salary-cap-20140722-story.html

All we have now is $1M left from the Room Exception to sign a minimum player who has played less than 6 years and minimum contracts.
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby Savory Griddles on Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:37 am

lakerfan2 wrote:Current cap situation by Emplay:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/lakersnow/la-sp-ln-young-kelly-lakers-over-salary-cap-20140722-story.html

All we have now is $1M left from the Room Exception to sign a minimum player who has played less than 6 years and minimum contracts.


So essentially, we only have minimums. Oh well. I guess we're rolling into this season a little light in the wing department.
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jul 23, 2014 9:53 am

Well once they re-signed Wes Johnson, that was pretty much it. I was hoping for something more dynamic, but you can't argue the price. I wanted some $25 bbq ribs, but hey if you can get a cheeseburger for 3 bucks you can't argue right?

As things stand I think we still need one more piece for depth unless the Lakers think Clarkson can take the next step already. Weezy and I have already discussed it... They need either another PG or to switch Henry to PG and get another wing. Henry isn't a real PG so another one would probably be more important, but it depends on who we can get for a minimum deal.

Jerryd Bayless could be an interesting name. Kind of a jerkbag, but he's 25 and a free agent right now. I heard we had an interest in Jordan Crawford, but I doubt he's available for the minimum. Here's some guards available still whether we can get them or not:

Jerryd Bayless
Jordan Crawford
Leandro Barbosa
Ronnie Brewer
Rasual Butler
Jared Cunningham
Toney Allen
Chris Douglas-Roberts
Francisco Garcia
Mike James
Doron Lamb
Shelvin Mack
E'twaun Moore
Toure Murray
Jameer Nelson
Ronnie Price
Luke Ridnour
Ramon Sessions
Peyton Siva
Earl Watson
Mo Williams
Othyus Jeffery
John Salmons
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby Damian Necronamous on Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:28 am

Only Mo Williams, Peyton Siva or Ramon Sessions would be worth bringing on, IMO.
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby LakersN4 on Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:22 am

Mo, Jameer, & Sessions aren't signing for the minimum.. Ridnour is headed to Orlando.. Really not much worth looking at on that list. Really wishing we found a way to keep Marshall :bang:
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby Damian Necronamous on Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:33 am

There has to be a reason why Jordan Hill has not yet been signed, IMO. It's possible that the two sides have agreed on the salary, but that the agreement is that Jordan will either play for the Lakers or where ever they can sign-and-trade him to.

I would not at all be surprised to see a deal sending Hill and Houston's First to Detroit in exchange for Greg Monroe. Steve Nash could also be included there, depending on the size of Monroe's contract.

It's just a possibility, but the stalemate in Detroit's negotiations with Monroe and the fact that Hill hasn't signed yet make it seem like a feasible one.
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:40 am

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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby D.B. Cooper on Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:43 am

Loos like Shard failed his physical with the Mavs.
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby therealdeal on Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:25 pm

The market is suddenly pretty dry for Mo Williams. I don't think we'll go after him or anything, but it's odd that his two main targets were Portland and Dallas and both of them moved on without him.

I wonder where he ends up now? Miami?
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Re: Roster Restart: where it stands now & for the future

Postby LakersN4 on Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:28 pm

There is some talk that Portland might cut Will Barton to sign Mo. I wouldn't count Portland out of that race.
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