Snakell Beast wrote:
Secondly, I stand by the logic and merit of my arguments in response to criticism of, and in defense of, my claims of racism as a motivating factor for the extreme vitriol, hatred and utter disdain some have expressed about Mike Brown.
I read your posts asserting racism as a motive for the dislike of Mike Brown as a coach. What you claimed does not seem logical to me. It seems like you are making some fairly significant assumptions when no one has really raised the issues to which you alluded. It's true that some posters here have made fun of his mouth and verbal patterns, but nothing I've seen here on that had anything to do with his race.
You've been here long enough to see the same posters draw attention mockingly to Steve Blake's appearance, Jordan Farmar's ears, Sasha's hair, and Luke Walton's general dorkiness as just a few easy examples. Was the disdain expressed toward those players a function of racism, and if not, why not?
It is possible to dislike a player or coach for reasons other than race. It does not strike me as logical at all to presume racism when there has been no overt or even subtle reference to it as a motivating factor.
^^ Agreed. I haven't seen any support or evidence that race is a prevailing factor for why so many here, including myself dislike Brown as head coach.
I know for my part I can say with 100% conviction that Brown's ethnicity or race has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that I don't like his coaching. I just really don't like his coaching. I think many on this board feel similarly in that regard.
I feel that KB24 hit the nail on the head about fan bases blaming head coaches. It's a thing that's fairly universal especially when they aren't bringing championships. The Heat fan base were brutal towards Spo when he was floundering early on, and later as well when they lost to Dallas. In fact, I'd say it was generally worse than I've seen towards Brown.
The fact is, when things aren't coming together in Pro Sports the head coach is most often the fall guy. That's simply the way it is.
I'll say this - if you think I'm being hard on Brown you should have seen me talk about Del Harris, my all time most despised coach.
RE: Brown's hire - I was upset about it because I didn't think he was the right fit. After a season of watching him at work I'm still not convinced that he is the right guy. I didn't like his offense - it was horrendous. I didn't like his substitutions. I thought he had some good ideas on defense but not the right personnel to implement them. I didn't like the stubbornness that you brought up. I didn't like him getting severely out coached in the first round. I din't like the fact that he can't seem to adapt with good in game adjustments or sometimes out of game adjustments.
A couple things he really seems to lack as well are an understanding of his players and a sense for what will work out there as seen by his substitutions. Some of it you can chalk up to it being his first season, but then again, I just don't feel like he gets them for the most part. See the way Pau himself felt underutilized or misused in the offense as evidenced by his exit interview.
The first coach I liked for us to hire was Shaw. You can look back at my post history to see why, but in a nutshell here are the reasons:
1. Familiarity and good chemistry with our players. Shaw understudied with Phil and knew these guys incredibly well - their strengths and weaknesses and what made them tick. He had a great rapport with Kobe Bryant especially who endorsed him as a coach he wanted for the Lakers. Heck, he even played alongside Kobe as well as coaching him. This wasn't a buddy/buddy thing either. Shaw knew how to critique Kobe and the right buttons to push. Kobe trusted Shaw. That says a lot. I don't think Kobe trusts Mike Brown at all. He was basically coaching out there for him on the sideline, or should I say instead of him. And the Lakers were responding more to Kobe seemingly than Mike Brown. By a long shot as far as I could see.
2. Same offense system in a lockout shortened season. I hated the fact that we had to recreate the wheel when it was obvious that there wasn't time for such a thing. Shaw would have run the Triangle and really, there was no good reason at all not to given our personnel and the fact that there was a lockout. Trying to implement a new system with no training camp was a problem. On top of that Mike Brown's "system" looked the same as it did in Cleveland: ISO, ISO and more ISO. It was a disaster to watch that atrocity offensively last year. I dreaded watching a lot of those games as we were so terrible.
3. Gravitas. Brian Shaw has been through a lot in his life and he has handled the adversity with a lot of grace and a lot of heart. He's pretty inspirational as a person. That goes a long way when you are coaching and leading others. To me he has that thing - that quality as a quiet (although sometimes vociferous) leader who does it by example and carries some real weight. Remember that Brian Shaw was the guy who, when we were down by 15 near the end of the third against Portland in that deciding game 7, led us back by hitting three pointers just when we were on the ropes, right at the edge of defeat. By his inspiring play we came back, and went on to win our first of three consecutive championships that brought us back into true relevancy as a franchise in the 2000s. On the other side of things, I don't feel that spark from Mike Brown. He seems like a nerdy, bookish guy who no one takes too seriously. I don't know if he knows what it takes to get it done. And I don't think the players sense that from him.
Ok, so I was pretty sold on going with Shaw, first of all. But then when Adelman's name came up, I was even more sold on him. Here's the reasons and it doesn't have to do with race.
1. Great offensive coach and system that really fit our personnel. I felt that actually Adelman's system was an even better one for our guys, primarily Kobe and Gasol, than the Triangle was. I thought that it would utilize Pau's passing skills and high post play, plus pick and roll with Kobe, perfectly. I also thought it would open up more room for Bynum down low.
2. Also a great player's coach with good instincts for his personnel. Adelman has always had a knack for figuring out how best to use his players. He's just a great coach in that regard and his players would tell you that. Just ask Ron Artest who played some of his best ball under Adelman.
3. Experience. This was the biggest reason I felt we should go with Adelman over Shaw. He just has so much experience as a head coach and with Shaw he was unproven in that regard.
Now, even though I really dislike Brown as a head coach (I think he'd be a terrific defensive assistant coach like Thibodeau was in Beantown), I am thankful for one thing. At least we didn't hire Dumbleavy. That would have been the worst possible scenario. As hard as I might be on Brown, I take him any day, any time over Dunleavy.