Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:22 pm

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Doc Brown wrote:“Since you've seen these racist remarks and are so sure that a majority of people are racist”


Wow, talk about putting words in my mouth/totally misinterpreting/misunderstanding/misrepresenting my argument!!!! TRY TO REMEMBER, I was referring to the people that HATE Mike Brown, not people that don't like his coaching style or think he is not the best option for our team. HATE. Try to stay on task.



Still waiting on the racist comments I asked you for.....
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby TIME on Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:55 pm

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Many people here wanted Brian Shaw. So much for the "racism" card.


Right, because racist people NEVER favor certain "types" of behavior or personality traits in otherwise negatively perceived ethnic groups and then prop those favored groups up to tear the rest down. To those people, Shaw is "one of the good ones". I don't know how many of the people that "hate" Mike Brown fall into that category, but there definitely are plenty.

I wanted Nate McMillan and like Eddie Jordan, so much for your [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] racism theory...


aah, the old "Some of my best friends are black" mantra. Often the Go-TO calling card of the closet racist.



I'm glad that you clarified that you are not accusing anyone here of racism in their critique of Mike Brown, but there is a valid reason why so many posters reacted to your post as if you did. This portion from your earlier post certainly implied that you were responding to racists here. I bolded the parts that any reader of the thread would tend to take that way. Whether you realize it or not you clearly implied that the poster you were responding to was at least a closet racist.

I'm not looking to stir the pot further, but I do hope you will be more clear up front in the future on such a hot button issue.
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby karacha on Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:09 pm

I don't think anyone here hates coach Brown. Maybe some people out there do, but why even mentioned them in the context of a ClubLakers thread then? We don't know who they are. We don't know their reasons.

Most of us are not really trusting him as a head coach because he plays our veterans too much, his substitution patters are not very good, and his offensive schemes are non-existing. Doesn't that make more sense? :man3:

Other than that... I really don't know what kind of "personality traits" are being discussed here... is somehow Shaw less African-American then coach Brown because of those traits? I am honestly very confused.
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby therealdeal on Thu Aug 23, 2012 4:46 pm

karacha wrote:I don't think anyone here hates coach Brown. Maybe some people out there do, but why even mentioned them in the context of a ClubLakers thread then? We don't know who they are. We don't know their reasons.

Most of us are not really trusting him as a head coach because he plays our veterans too much, his substitution patters are not very good, and his offensive schemes are non-existing. Doesn't that make more sense? :man3:

Other than that... I really don't know what kind of "personality traits" are being discussed here... is somehow Shaw less African-American then coach Brown because of those traits? I am honestly very confused.

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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby Kasumi on Thu Aug 23, 2012 5:16 pm

karacha wrote:Other than that... I really don't know what kind of "personality traits" are being discussed here... is somehow Shaw less African-American then coach Brown because of those traits? I am honestly very confused.

+1

I wanted B-Shaw, still do. Mike Brown wasn't as bad as I thought he'd be during the regular season, but in the post-season he was lacking. It's like switching from checkers to chess, a high basketball IQ is required from a post-season head coach regardless of who is on the team. What plays to run, when to call a timeout, what to say during the timeout, substitution patterns, responding to the other team's strategy - all of that. That's one reason why Coach Popovich has had so much success in San Antonio. Yes, he has a core of Duncan, Parker and Ginobili, but surrounds them with lesser talent and still gets amazing performances out of them.
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby The Rock on Thu Aug 23, 2012 6:36 pm

I just hope hes not super stubborn with certain things...like lets say if Jamison is cold and cant buy a shot its ok to look elswhere for bench options instead of just playing him and hoping he busts out and not giving the young guys a chance.

I trust him defensively though just not sure what his playcalling will be on offense or is he just gonna completely hand it over to Eddie Jordan while he and Kuester just observe?
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby Scnottaken on Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:18 am

Snakell Beast wrote:aah, the old "Some of my best friends are black" mantra. Often the Go-TO calling card of the closet racist.


I'm a closet racist. A closet killed my father, and now they must die.
Not directed at any particular closet.
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby kray28 on Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:11 am

This has be most idiotic race card dropping attempt in the history of the Intarwebs (and maybe Western Civilization).

I don't get the part about Shaw having "less black traits" than Brown. lolwhut?
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby Kobe Bryant 8 on Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:16 pm

I love when the person accusing people of being racist is actually the one being the most racist.
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby Azndude2190 on Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:32 pm

Getting back on topic, I think the bottom line with Mike Brown is that he was dealt a bad hand and should be given a full season (with training camp) to proof himself before we call for his head.
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby therealdeal on Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:37 pm

Azndude2190 wrote:Getting back on topic, I think the bottom line with Mike Brown is that he was dealt a bad hand and should be given a full season (with training camp) to proof himself before we call for his head.

I was willing to give him a shot, but I'm pretty down on him right now. When we hired him I went on record as saying he deserves a chance, but I just wasn't impressed at all with what he did this last season.

I understand the argument that he didn't have time or personnel, but I just don't buy it whole-heartedly. He showed no creativity or willingness to work to find a lineup that helped. He gave Ebanks a really hard time and he over played our starters all season long.

Whether I like it or not, he's got another chance to prove me wrong. I hope I'm wrong, I hope that he can be a great coach, but from what I saw?... I'm not too enthusiastic.
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby TIME on Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:40 pm

Azndude2190 wrote:Getting back on topic, I think the bottom line with Mike Brown is that he was dealt a bad hand and should be given a full season (with training camp) to proof himself before we call for his head.


I disagree and agree.

He was not dealt a bad hand. He had Kobe, Pau, Bynum on his squad. The Charlotte coach was dealt a bad hand.

But, I agree that a full training camp and season is a better gauge of his ability than last season alone.
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby Azndude2190 on Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:43 pm

TIME wrote:
I disagree and agree.

He was not dealt a bad hand. He had Kobe, Pau, Bynum on his squad. The Charlotte coach was dealt a bad hand.

But, I agree that a full training camp and season is a better gauge of his ability than last season alone.


We lost Odom, which was big. The guy was the reigning six man of the year. Also, anyone following Phil Jackson is naturally going to get alot of ****. IMO, it was a tough situation to be in on top of the lockout shortened season.
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:49 pm

I have to say, even though my confidence in Brown himself hasn't increased at all since this thread started and I first posted, some of my worries and concerns have been allayed with the hiring of Jordan and Bickerstaff. Now at least I know he has guys that truly advise him well and both of whom he will probably listen to. Hopefully Bernie gets in his ear when he tries to do some horrible rotation and talks him out of it.
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Aug 24, 2012 5:36 pm

Azndude2190 wrote:
TIME wrote:
I disagree and agree.

He was not dealt a bad hand. He had Kobe, Pau, Bynum on his squad. The Charlotte coach was dealt a bad hand.

But, I agree that a full training camp and season is a better gauge of his ability than last season alone.


We lost Odom, which was big. The guy was the reigning six man of the year. Also, anyone following Phil Jackson is naturally going to get alot of ****. IMO, it was a tough situation to be in on top of the lockout shortened season.


This..... and we got one game further than the year before.....

He deserves a chance to install his system and do things his way....... He wasn't my first choice but he's the girl we brought..... now we gotta dance with her....
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby lakersin4 on Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:53 pm

I have my doubts about Mike Brown but not based on that Denver series. It seems like every playoffs in recent years we've struggled with teams that we went into the series expecting to sweep. This season with better pieces & assistants I expect him to get us playing some amazing D, & with Nash, Kobe, the asst. coaches, offense will handle itself.
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby lakersStan24 on Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:22 am

6 to 7 I think He'll do an ok good enough job but unless He turns out to be really good We should still look for a Better Coach
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby The Rock on Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:30 pm

Last remaining "Mike Brown" guy is gone. Kuester is the closest to Mike I believe

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John Kuester has "been reassigned to the position of Advanced NBA Scout and will be based on the East Coast," per the press release.

Kuester had a large role with the team's offense in particular last season; we can surmise that Eddie Jordan will work with the O.

Chuck Person and Darvin Ham remain on the staff as assistant coaches, for those inquiring.


I like Person, he has good rapport with Ron and Kobe. Darvin Ham helped Bynum a lot with his balance and some of the other big men

Most of Mike Brown's true assistants from last year are basically gone.
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:42 pm

:man10:

Mike Brown bring in your staff........

(1 year later)

.........Mike how about we bring in your staff.

It's basically saying, we've invested some money in you and don't want to let you go after a year. So we will upgrade everything around you and hope your fat a** can wear flotation devices so you don't sink.
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby revgen on Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:55 pm

Guys like Eddie Jordan and Bickerstaff are being brought onboard for a reason. Potatohead insurance. Jimmy doesn't want egg on his face after hiring Brown, yet the rest of the FO probably thinks Jimmy made a huge mistake. Sending Kuester to the scouting ranks and bringing in Bickerstaff, Jordan, and Clifford is a compromise IMO. If Brown continues what he was doing last season, he'll be canned and one of the assistants (Bickerstaff or Jordan) will take his place. For now, the "it was a short season and no training camp" is the convenient excuse.
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby therealdeal on Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:56 pm

^While I'm a little less cynical about it, I think that's pretty much the measure of it all. Brown brought in all of his guys, and his coaching staff didn't do diddly. And that's including Messina for whatever reason who didn't work out here.

Now we're going to be rolling out Eddie Jordan and Bickerstaff and hopefully Kareem can come back in that same limited capacity he used to have.
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Re: Scale of 1-10, your confidence level in Mike Brown

Postby purp n gold on Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:43 am

revgen wrote:Guys like Eddie Jordan and Bickerstaff are being brought onboard for a reason. Potatohead insurance.


Agreed 100%. I think the LA front office still believes in Brown's defensive philosophies, but they're trying to minimize his role on the team down to a defensive coordinator. The Nash trade, and those two assistant coach hirings absorb offensive responsibility from Brown, and it's probably the right thing to do. Mitch and Jim probably had the same intentions by bringing in CP3 last offseason. Brown can organize a defense, but no way can he coach an offense.
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