Should MDA be fired?

Should MDA be fired?

Yes, he ran Kobe to the ground. Coaches need to control the player's minutes.
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No, its not his fault. He was just respecting Kobe's will.
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:14 pm

RushDelivery wrote: The fact that Vitti likely said something to D'antoni only further shows that he needed to at the very bare minimum pull Kobe out for a few in-game minutes.


What he said was that Kobe was cleared to play. They were tweeting about it earlier. No man plays unless Father Vitti gives the ok.
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby Weezy on Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:18 pm

To be clear like many have said, my "yes" vote isn't based on the Kobe injury, I just think 'Antoni sucks and shouldn't be our coach.
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby Vasashi17 on Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:23 pm

Is there precedent for playing a guy 7 games over 2 weeks and playing him nearly the entire game?

Of course there isn't...and there is probably a reason why it hasn't been done!

Now add that said player has been one of the league leaders in minutes played per contest, is 34 and has dedicated half his life to his craft leading to numerous extended seasons, sacrificed summers and overall a ish load of minutes.....AND he's coming off an ankle injury and was diagnosed with heel spurs.

WTF gave this coach (if you want to call him that) the impression that it was a good idea to do such an iresponsible and careless act?
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby RushDelivery on Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:25 pm

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RushDelivery wrote: The fact that Vitti likely said something to D'antoni only further shows that he needed to at the very bare minimum pull Kobe out for a few in-game minutes.


What he said was that Kobe was cleared to play. They were tweeting about it earlier. No man plays unless Father Vitti gives the ok.

IMO that doesn't really exempt MDA at all. That just means the man was willing to ride Kobe until either he collapsed (which he did) or until someone like Vitti told him he wasn't allowed to anymore.

As the coach MDA shares responsibility for the well-being of his players, especially since he controls the minutes. Pulling Kobe out last night probably only delays the inevitable, but had MDA not run Kobe into the ground the odds of such a devastating injury would have at least been much lower.
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby Weezy on Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:25 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Is there precedent for playing a guy 7 games over 2 weeks and playing him nearly the entire game?

Of course there isn't...and there is probably a reason why it hasn't been done!

Now add that said player has been one of the league leaders in minutes played per contest, is 34 and has dedicated half his life to his craft leading to numerous extended seasons, sacrificed summers and overall a ish load of minutes.....AND he's coming off an ankle injury and was diagnosed with heel spurs.

WTF gave this coach (if you want to call him that) the impression that it was a good idea to do such an iresponsible and careless act?


Well shucks he's retirin' in 2 years might as well get our money's worth yuk yuk yuk!

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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby RushDelivery on Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:27 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:Is there precedent for playing a guy 7 games over 2 weeks and playing him nearly the entire game?

Of course there isn't...and there is probably a reason why it hasn't been done!

Now add that said player has been one of the league leaders in minutes played per contest, is 34 and has dedicated half his life to his craft leading to numerous extended seasons, sacrificed summers and overall a ish load of minutes.....AND he's coming off an ankle injury and was diagnosed with heel spurs.

WTF gave this coach (if you want to call him that) the impression that it was a good idea to do such an iresponsible and careless act?

It's simple: MDA was going to make the playoffs no matter what the cost That's what made him think this was a good idea.
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:30 pm

RushDelivery wrote:I disagree with some of the posters here in that I believe MDA should receive a larger share of the blame compared to the front office and others involved. It's fairly clear that the extended minutes were wearing Kobe down, setting the stage for injuries to spring up that normally wouldn't have been there with more rest during games.

When Kobe got injured in the 3rd quarter and was in discomfort, it was up to the coach to force his star player to take the time he needed to evaluate the extent of the injuries and cool off a bit before heading back out on the court. The fact that Vitti likely said something to D'antoni only further shows that he needed to at the very bare minimum pull Kobe out for a few in-game minutes.

By letting an injured Kobe play on, MDA basically said he was more than willing to put Kobe in a position to seriously injure himself as long as it meant they won the game. If it didn't happen this game it could have happened against San Antonio or any other game they play this season. As Kobe's coach, MDA controls the minutes, he's supposed to be looking out for the well-being of his players, and he failed to do that not just last night, but for a large portion of the season when it comes to Kobe.


But seriously can't you see if he tried that, got a substitute up and wave Kobe to come off the floor.....Kobe just saying NO and staying out there and telling the sub to get the hell out of there? That could have been ugly for him. Not smart of Bryant, granted but really seems to be where his head was at after reading he told Mitch the same thing behind doors.
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby RushDelivery on Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:36 pm

^ Then that just proves MDA is a terrible fit for a team. A coach is supposed to have control of his star players and should be able to manage his players' minutes even if there's the potential for backlash.

The fact that Kobe essentially dictates terms to MDA is one of the reasons why this season has turned out this way.
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:50 pm

RushDelivery wrote:^ Then that just proves MDA is a terrible fit for a team. A coach is supposed to have control of his star players and should be able to manage his players' minutes even if there's the potential for backlash.

The fact that Kobe essentially dictates terms to MDA is one of the reasons why this season has turned out this way.


Well duh yes. No one is arguing that with you.
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby RushDelivery on Sat Apr 13, 2013 8:53 pm

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RushDelivery wrote:^ Then that just proves MDA is a terrible fit for a team. A coach is supposed to have control of his star players and should be able to manage his players' minutes even if there's the potential for backlash.

The fact that Kobe essentially dictates terms to MDA is one of the reasons why this season has turned out this way.


Well duh yes. No one is arguing that with you.

Then I don't understand your previous point. Is the fact that MDA is terrible fit for the Lakers a reason why he is absolved from responsibility for Kobe's injury?
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:01 pm

No. I thought the fact he didn't try to get him out of the Golden State game is what was being discussed. Kobe would have waved them all off. Everything else with the premature short rotations, way too many minutes for Kobe all season, no real D coaching from him or the bumps on log coaching staff....yes definitely he was the wrong guy.
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:11 pm

Everyone knew he was the wrong guy for the job, even MDA himself, but Mitch and Jim tried to be cute, now we lost our franchise player and probably the season. 134million worth of guano.
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby borri on Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:57 am

Doc Brown wrote:
RushDelivery wrote: The fact that Vitti likely said something to D'antoni only further shows that he needed to at the very bare minimum pull Kobe out for a few in-game minutes.


What he said was that Kobe was cleared to play. They were tweeting about it earlier. No man plays unless Father Vitti gives the ok.


Do you really think LAL FO will throw Antoni under the buss (rightfully so) at THIS point in the season. Last thing they want is a huge distraction with playoffs on the line. And if we make the playoffs, the first round.

Vitti was told to take one for the team. Notice how Vitty only mentions 48 minutes played is not responsible for the injury..... Much more believable from a medical standpoint than all those huge minutes PRIOR to the POR game. PR control baby. That's what that interview was all about.

Just sayin'.....
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:10 am

Yep, they're all talking the party line right now. And Jimmy is the party leader. MDA is responsible for overplaying Kobe, which led to his body breaking down in the 2nd half. The Achilles was still an unforseen accident, but it was made much more probable when Kobe suffered two other ailments right before it. The coach should have pulled Kobe and let the other guys finish the game.

Kobe does have some blame here. He pushed himself way too hard. But a better coach would have instilled some level of prudence into Kobe's judgement, so that he doesn't push himself as hard as possible every minute. Phil taught MJ to pace himself, and only push for small periods, when it's really necessary. Kobe needs some rational voice in his ear, to restrain him from hurting himself.
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:17 am

borri wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
RushDelivery wrote: The fact that Vitti likely said something to D'antoni only further shows that he needed to at the very bare minimum pull Kobe out for a few in-game minutes.


What he said was that Kobe was cleared to play. They were tweeting about it earlier. No man plays unless Father Vitti gives the ok.


Do you really think LAL FO will throw Antoni under the buss (rightfully so) at THIS point in the season. Last thing they want is a huge distraction with playoffs on the line. And if we make the playoffs, the first round.

Vitti was told to take one for the team. Notice how Vitty only mentions 48 minutes played is not responsible for the injury..... Much more believable from a medical standpoint than all those huge minutes PRIOR to the POR game. PR control baby. That's what that interview was all about.

Just sayin'.....


It's all a conspiracy right?

I bet the Lakers paid the longtime NBA doc that has no affiliation with the Lakers to echo the same words Vitti was saying. They paid off Kobe's trainer that has no affiliation with the Lakers to echo the same words Vitti was saying.....

Just sayin...
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby BuzzerBeater on Sun Apr 14, 2013 8:27 am

Absolutely YES.

Would Phil Jackson or any other "NBA level" coach have benched Kobe after the second mishap?

No more questions.

Ps. Too many injuries this season is not bad luck, is bad coaching for the players you have :disagree: .
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby BuzzerBeater on Sun Apr 14, 2013 9:11 am

Run&Gun with a +30 years old team? the result is obvious, full of injuries.


This guy should join Pringles team and left the NBA :bang:
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby borri on Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:32 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
borri wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
RushDelivery wrote: The fact that Vitti likely said something to D'antoni only further shows that he needed to at the very bare minimum pull Kobe out for a few in-game minutes.


What he said was that Kobe was cleared to play. They were tweeting about it earlier. No man plays unless Father Vitti gives the ok.


Do you really think LAL FO will throw Antoni under the buss (rightfully so) at THIS point in the season. Last thing they want is a huge distraction with playoffs on the line. And if we make the playoffs, the first round.

Vitti was told to take one for the team. Notice how Vitty only mentions 48 minutes played is not responsible for the injury..... Much more believable from a medical standpoint than all those huge minutes PRIOR to the POR game. PR control baby. That's what that interview was all about.

Just sayin'.....


It's all a conspiracy right?

I bet the Lakers paid the longtime NBA doc that has no affiliation with the Lakers to echo the same words Vitti was saying. They paid off Kobe's trainer that has no affiliation with the Lakers to echo the same words Vitti was saying.....

Just sayin...


Do you really think that overuse is not a factor? When all the medical texts say that it is?

Do you really think the LA FO will talk about overuse as a contributing factor at THIS point?

Think dude. Do you really think Vitti didn't have a word with the FO prior to that interview?

It ain't a conspiracy theory when it's so damn obvious. Why did every Laker affiliated trainer/doctor fail to even mention that overuse is a possibility?

Kobe's long time trainer's opinion? I prefer words from the American Orthopedic Association that saids otherwise. This is akin to going to a chiropractor for back pain versus going to see an Orthopedic Surgeon....one has a doctors degree and specialization in orthopedics....the other one...well doesn't.
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:14 pm

^^ If you follow your own thought process through then you should be pissed at the GM.... he's the one that turned down trades that would have deepened this team allowing the "older ones" more time on the bench....

I don't like MDA one bit but he's just the Conductor.... and he's playing with a Jazz quartette rather than an entire orchestra.
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby KB24 on Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:21 pm

Fire this clown. We should have never been in the position to have Kobe play a gazillion minutes without any second of rest.
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby TIME on Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:17 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^ If you follow your own thought process through then you should be pissed at the GM.... he's the one that turned down trades that would have deepened this team allowing the "older ones" more time on the bench....

I don't like MDA one bit but he's just the Conductor.... and he's playing with a Jazz quartette rather than an entire orchestra.


You are 100% correct but the buck does not stop on Mitch's desk. He simply does whatever he can within the guidelines and restraints he is given by the NBA rules and his team owner. Why wouldn't Mitch make small moves to improve the bench unless he was told that the team had already spent as much as it was going to this year.
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:20 pm

^^^I think Roo is referring to before this season and not pulling the trigger on any smaller deals for Pau or getting a bench. Not necessarily why we aren't adding players during the season.

We've seen multiple trades speculated for Pau and we haven't pulled the trigger. The payroll would be the same, but we would have 2-3 players spreading that money around, rather than 1 that just recently decided to play like his usual self.
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby TIME on Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:26 pm

Doc Brown wrote:^^^I think Roo is referring to before this season and not pulling the trigger on any smaller deals for Pau or getting a bench. Not necessarily why we aren't adding players during the season.

We've seen multiple trades speculated for Pau and we haven't pulled the trigger. The payroll would be the same, but we would have 2-3 players spreading that money around, rather than 1 that just recently decided to play like his usual self.


Gotcha. I was thinking more along the lines of the decision to not pull the trigger on Beasley, or pick up any wing players during the year.
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby borri on Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:20 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^ If you follow your own thought process through then you should be pissed at the GM.... he's the one that turned down trades that would have deepened this team allowing the "older ones" more time on the bench....

I don't like MDA one bit but he's just the Conductor.... and he's playing with a Jazz quartette rather than an entire orchestra.


Never said FO isn't to blame. Never liked that we didn't use the injured players exception. That was a head scratcher....unless Antoni said he wouldn't use that player anyways, which isn't beyond the realm of reality.

Ultimately, it's the coach's job to manage players' minutes, of which Antoni failed to do miserably. Don't forget, Nash is also out.

It's not coincidence that our oldest players are injured this late in the season. And its not like we haven't complained about the PT of our olderst players all year long.
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Re: Should MDA be fired?

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Apr 14, 2013 3:25 pm

MDA is playing Nash 0.9 more minutes then he did last year for Phoenix. He must be running him into the ground. This is Nash's second lowest minute total per game in the last 13 years.

Damn that MDA for running him into the ground.
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