Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby therealdeal on Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:08 pm

Punk-101 wrote:If Mitch could magic-wand Blake and Duhon and we cut Morris, I'd much rather give roster spots and time to Barbosa as the backup and DJO, CDR, and Sacre as 3rd stringers. No no, NO to Fish.

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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby Finwë on Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:12 pm

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kenzo wrote:^ But we already have all this. With MB at the helm, watch Fish get some mins at SG :freak2:

We don't need a talent injection from the third PG who will play little to no minutes, but we could use a lockeroom guy who's a role model and a leader (even though we have some of them already, as you pointed out), right?

Regarding Brown's rotations, he said he'd play Meeks and Ebanks at the 2. Some hinted he'd also play Blake at the 2 for some stretches. There are simply not enough minutes for him to play Fish at the 2 as well...
That's not even taking into account that Goudelock might still be on the team, or that CDR might play some 2 as well.. No way Brown would play Fisher at the 2.

I hope You are right about Fish playing little to no minutes. Im afraid, that if we get him, we'll play 4 on 5 for 15+ mins a night.

I wouldn't be advocating Fisher coming here if I thought he'd play more than 10 minutes a game, if that. I still want Blake (or Barbosa) to be the first backup to Nash.

BTW, we seem to have left DJO out of the conversation. IMO Brown should give the dude a chance in the next preseason games to play solid minutes, but not with our bench fodder, that wouldn't serve any purpuse; I want to see how he does with other players on the floor that can actually attract defensive attention.
If he pans out, then forget about Fish, he should be fighting for Blake's minutes.
I'm also one of the (seemingly) few members here who don't think Goudelock sucks. OK he's not a good defender (though he's much better than morris, and he did check CP3 in last year's preseason pretty decently), but the dude can SHOOT, and we still don't have enough shooters. Also, that floater is still money.
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:18 pm

therealdeal wrote:
Punk-101 wrote:If Mitch could magic-wand Blake and Duhon and we cut Morris, I'd much rather give roster spots and time to Barbosa as the backup and DJO, CDR, and Sacre as 3rd stringers. No no, NO to Fish.

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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby therealdeal on Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:20 pm

^ He's barely played. When he's played he's shown some nice shot blocking abililty but that's it. No offense. Not a lot of rebounding. Nothing special.
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby raviator on Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:23 pm

LTLakerFan wrote:Playing devil's advocate and being a long time Fish fan and caring less about Duhon and Morris..... last year on Lakers we had Potato Head bring in his new "WTF" offense, which did though require a traditional 1 with point guard skills. Fish winds up in OKC and they also have an offense requiring those same traditional skills. Like Kobe in the Olympics, both of them were often relegated to standing in the corners.

This year, especially with 2nd string, spelling our amazing traditional PG Nash, Fish "could" provide that needed steadying on the court infulence in "limited" minutes and very much help run the Princeton for them, vs a lot of P&R for 1st string, since the Princeton is similar to the Triangle. He's always in great shape and durable as an insurance player and I think he shoots better in that scenario than last year with Lakers and OKC.

Fish is physical enough to bang and fight with the screens being set against us, unlike anyone else on the squad at the 1 except maybe DJO. But then I would not know in that regard about DJO, only have read others' reports, since I have no EFFING Lakers TV yet. :mad1: :bang:


Took the words right out of my mouth. I agree, I feel the main reason Fisher sucked so bad last year is because of the new offense which required a traditional point guard which Fisher definitely is not. Fisher thrived with the triangle offense and I'm sure he would do okay with the similar looking Princeton offense. I for one am hoping he resigns with us. With so many new faces on and high profile ones, we need a good locker room guy, a glue guy so to speak. I won't say he needs to be the primary backup or whatever, but having him on the team I think would do wonders for chemistry and morale, something we will definitely need to win the chip this season.
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:10 pm

Alcindor wrote:No No No.

We would literally have the largest pack of worthless PGs ever assembled.


How is this any different than 2000-2011 with the exception of the Payton year?....... :man10: There are only two ways to go with this team and point guards...... up and sideways.......

WTS... I'm in the minority here in that I'd keep Duhon and let Blake go to make room for Barbosa and/or Fisher. Duhon has played decently in the past and he's more durable than Fisher or Blake (in recent years).
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby KBJelleyBean24 on Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:19 pm

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Seriously though it would be nice to see Fish finish his career as a Laker (albeit as a 3rd string point guard) but we would have to somehow get rid off Duhon and/or Morris.
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby Alcindor on Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:30 pm

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Alcindor wrote:No No No.

We would literally have the largest pack of worthless PGs ever assembled.


How is this any different than 2000-2011 with the exception of the Payton year?....... :man10: There are only two ways to go with this team and point guards...... up and sideways.......

WTS... I'm in the minority here in that I'd keep Duhon and let Blake go to make room for Barbosa and/or Fisher. Duhon has played decently in the past and he's more durable than Fisher or Blake (in recent years).


My point isn't that we usually have good backup PGs (or starting PGs FTM) it's that we have a glut at the position (Blake, Duhon, Morris, with only DJO not guaranteed). It would seem pointless to bring in yet another PG if it's gonna be Fish when we could use a spot for a guy like CDR.

Letting Blake go is a lot easier said than done. We have nothing to package with him unless it is one of our young guys. It'd be a lot more likely that a package with Duhon would go out since he's only guaranteed 1.5mil next year.
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby baddmann28 on Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:51 pm

I think Fish would be effective in keeping the second unit moving for 10-15 minutes off the bench. Especially in the O that's currently being run.

That, and Kobe has never won a ring without him, I say bring him back for good luck!

The look of fear on Blakes face when he launched that shot vs OKC means he's not big time. With a game on the line, last shot to win, Kobe, Nash, Fish, Pau and Dwight on the floor means money. Who you going to leave open?
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby therealdeal on Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:52 pm

Rooscooter wrote:WTS... I'm in the minority here in that I'd keep Duhon and let Blake go to make room for Barbosa and/or Fisher. Duhon has played decently in the past and he's more durable than Fisher or Blake (in recent years).

FIsher is an absolute Iron man. He missed two games in the last 7 years and 10 total in the last 9. Duhon missed more than that the last two years. I don't think durability is a knock anyone can have on Derek Fisher.

And I'd much rather see Blake play than Duhon. Duhon is worse statistically in a majority of ways.
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby Weezy on Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:55 pm

If Mike Brown's offense last season was to blame for Fisher sucking then why did he also suck in Phil's last season? My answer is it was he finally just declined to the point where he needed to be a backup or retire. 2010 he wasn't great either, but man did he have some magic in the playoffs that more than made up for everything else, he won us game 3 of the Finals and I'll never forget that. After that though his clutch playoff ability seemed to just be gone, it happens, it's already amazing what he accomplished in his career and how long his career was considering he never had a ton of skill and was mostly a guy who made it on hard work. It's time to move on IMO though, we already have twice.
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:58 pm

Oh you "hater".











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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby Weezy on Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:06 pm

Lol, I love Fish, he's got a free pass from me for life for any bad play he had when here, I try to remember the good mostly. It's only when it's suggested to bring him back that I have to remind people of the bad. Seriously go back and watch any footage of him from last season and you will change your mind about wanting him back quickly. I really think people forget how bad he was, remember the clutch play years ago, feel nostalgic and want him back. This guy was so bad by the time he was traded I wondered if he could even coach because he made so many bad decisions on the court himself. He was chucking bad shots, taking his usual horrible layups, his d was non existent. He was even turning the ball over in some prety ugly ways if I remember right, and that was not normal for him, that was one thing he always did do, take care of the ball. So yes, I can only say it so many times lol, love Fisher, do not want him back. If he does come back and plays well and I'm wrong, great, I'd love that I just don't see it, he was on a pretty steep multi-year decline.
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:17 pm

I think the really ugly turning the ball over incidents happened really early in the season or couple of pre-season games. The guy came in after having spent tons of time with hammering out the new deal. I like Blake over him. But I would be not afraid watching him for limited minutes with our improved second team trying to play some decent ball with the Princeton, and not giving up leads like they did last year. Just how I see it. This clearly will be a very divisive subject. Give me Fish over Duhon, Glock, Morris.
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby KB&AB on Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:52 pm

I totally 100% agree with Weezy. Do not want Fisher back. He should go play in China or just retire.
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:26 pm

Alcindor wrote:
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Alcindor wrote:No No No.

We would literally have the largest pack of worthless PGs ever assembled.


How is this any different than 2000-2011 with the exception of the Payton year?....... :man10: There are only two ways to go with this team and point guards...... up and sideways.......

WTS... I'm in the minority here in that I'd keep Duhon and let Blake go to make room for Barbosa and/or Fisher. Duhon has played decently in the past and he's more durable than Fisher or Blake (in recent years).


My point isn't that we usually have good backup PGs (or starting PGs FTM) it's that we have a glut at the position (Blake, Duhon, Morris, with only DJO not guaranteed). It would seem pointless to bring in yet another PG if it's gonna be Fish when we could use a spot for a guy like CDR.

Letting Blake go is a lot easier said than done. We have nothing to package with him unless it is one of our young guys. It'd be a lot more likely that a package with Duhon would go out since he's only guaranteed 1.5mil next year.


I understand..... but as you put it.... having a glut of crap isn't really having anything at all. Blake may have some value to someone. He does have some ability but for us he's in a long line of player that play well somewhere else and suck here..... The only notable exception to that is Ariza who's underachieved everywhere except here....

I would cut bait with Morris, DJo and Blake if I could find a taker even for a second rounder (have to be someone under the cap or with a TPE). The "wand" has done much mightier things recently...... that's for sure.
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby The Laker Link on Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:27 pm

baddmann28 wrote:I think Fish would be effective in keeping the second unit moving for 10-15 minutes off the bench. Especially in the O that's currently being run.

That, and Kobe has never won a ring without him, I say bring him back for good luck!

The look of fear on Blakes face when he launched that shot vs OKC means he's not big time. With a game on the line, last shot to win, Kobe, Nash, Fish, Pau and Dwight on the floor means money. Who you going to leave open?


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Let him be third string....but this.
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby 432J on Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:00 pm

the ONLY reason i would not mind him back is if they drop morris and sign him. as horrible as blake is, i'd rather have him on the floor than fish. just imagine the defensive play of a backcourt consisting of nash and fisher! :man10:

i really would prefer fish over morris though, and duhon too. if they can somehow get rid of both those guys and bring in fisher and barbosa, i'd be very happy
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby noobiew on Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:55 pm

Fisher cannot play in the NBA anymore, he is done. If the Lakers really wanted to bring him back, why can't we just hire him back as an assistant instead.
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby lakersStan24 on Wed Oct 17, 2012 2:18 am

D-Fish back to LA Now! Please
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby Magic Skywalker on Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:57 am

Mitch Kupchak said the Lakers are not actively looking for trades.


I believe we're getting Kevin Durant for Metta, Blake and Duhon :man10:
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby LakerFan1980 on Wed Oct 17, 2012 7:02 am

Let him come back as a player/floor coach, retire, and then become an assistant coach! He deserves it!
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby XXIV on Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:27 pm

LakerFan1980 wrote:Let him come back as a player/floor coach, retire, and then become an assistant coach! He deserves it!


How about he just comes back as an assistant?
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Re: Sources: Fisher free to return to Lakers now

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Oct 17, 2012 12:45 pm

Blake is just absolutely horrendous. I don't know what happened to that guy. He's embarrassingly bad. Even at his ripe old age and with his suckitude, Fisher is better than what I saw out of Blake last night. That guy can't do anything useful at all any more. He's just terrible.
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