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Postby JGC on Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:43 am

My favorite part from the game against the Clippers is when Morris hit that 3 and he just walked away like no big deal. He knew were down in the game, and so he wasn't celebrating anything. Loved that.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:06 pm

The kid isn't ready, but I'd love to see him try to play to his skill set.

This guy is most effective out on the open floor. To be truly effective, he needs guys running with him. He's not really quick enough to get all the way to the basket against solid defenders in a half court set, but in the open court the guy is very fast and has great vision.

The ideal lineup for him would be: Morris/Bryant/Ebanks or Barnes/McRoberts/Gasol

That gives you athleticism and at least two guys who will get out on the break on any given break. It gives you the big that is in the best shape and able to run the floor most effectively.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby kray28 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:13 pm

Doc Brown wrote:They seriously need to start running the pick and roll with him. Passing it off and then clearing out to the other side of the court is not getting everything you can out of his skill set. It wouldn't hurt a couple times a game to run the pick and roll with Bynum or Gasol.


Pick and roll with Pau/Murph/McRib...not Drew. Drew isn't really a PnR (or PnP) big, he's a standard, "throw it into the low post" big
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby kray28 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:20 pm

CaCHooKa Man wrote:i like how he didnt back down against kneeP3



Watch this closely....Paul actually fouls McRib on the wrist to create the loose ball. Then climbs on top of McRib one knee to the head and another knee to the chest.

I'm thinking this scrum might have led to the tweaked hamstring. If so, it's a just dessert for what was a pretty dirty play.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:26 pm

Doc Brown wrote:They seriously need to start running the pick and roll with him. Passing it off and then clearing out to the other side of the court is not getting everything you can out of his skill set. It wouldn't hurt a couple times a game to run the pick and roll with Bynum or Gasol.


We have run a total of three pick n rolls in the entire game ....
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby davriver290 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:36 pm

I don't understand this slow lateral quickness people talk about when it comes to moriss. From what I saw yesterday, he played amazing one on one D on him every single time. Obviously CP3 is gonna get his points, but Darius did a helluva job playing him.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby revgen on Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:42 pm

I'm not sure where people get the idea that his lateral foot speed isn't good. It's better than Smush. Better than Fish. Better than Blake. Obviously not as good as Goudelock's, but I don't see Darius' lateral foot-speed being a huge liability. What he needs to work on defensively is to negotiate p&r's, and not be fooled so easily on jab fakes. CP3 did a lot of jab faking and he bit on a few. More experience will help in that area.

On one play where they gave Morris a foul at 1 sec left in the 1st quarter. Morris didn't even foul CP3 on that play. It was basically a rookie call against Morris.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby kray28 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:58 pm

revgen wrote:I'm not sure where people get the idea that his lateral foot speed isn't good. It's better than Smush. Better than Fish. Better than Blake. Obviously not as good as Goudelock's, but I don't see Darius' lateral foot-speed being a huge liability. What he needs to work on defensively is to negotiate p&r's, and not be fooled so easily on jab fakes. CP3 did a lot of jab faking and he bit on a few. More experience will help in that area.


I saw him do a better job as the game went along of anticipating and negotiating back screens....I think with the playing time, he's going to learn, and hopefully he'll learn fast.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby kray28 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:02 pm

I would hope that Derek Fisher is working with him especially on his Defense.


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He should be a great mentor for Morris


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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:13 pm

I don't put a lot of value in "foot speed", "lateral quickness" or other physical attributes if they don't translate to actual production. The waiver wires are littered with athletes that can't play.

Morris is raw, but he gives 100% and he is showing some improvement in his limited playing time.

He is a mess in the half court but he isn't much worse than the rest of the team either. If it hadn't been for Kobe's saves he would have thrown the ball away 3 or 4 times in the 4th last night. He wasn't running the team he was going to pass to Kobe no matter what. We need a point guard that finds the open player or sets up the offense, not one that crosses half court and lobs passes to the sideline. His post entry passes need a lot of work as well.

He's got some potential and I like the improvement but he isn't seeing the court very well and isn't much of a penetrator so if he can't shoot his overall value will be limited.

It's more indicative of our overall situation than anything else.....
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby JGC on Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:16 pm

kray28 wrote:
He should be a great mentor for Morris


In everything except defense.


Well, Fish can teach him to draw charges and also how to draw offensive fouls on moving screens. Fish is good at that but crap at everything else.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby Lakeshow24 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:17 pm

kray28 wrote:
Watch this closely....Paul actually fouls McRib on the wrist to create the loose ball. Then climbs on top of McRib one knee to the head and another knee to the chest.

I'm thinking this scrum might have led to the tweaked hamstring. If so, it's a just dessert for what was a pretty dirty play.


I didn't see anything dirty with the play.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby revgen on Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:19 pm

Rooscooter wrote: His post entry passes need a lot of work as well.


Yeah, but unlike Shannon, he actually tries to pass it in the post. He'll get it eventually.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jan 15, 2012 1:28 pm

revgen wrote:
Rooscooter wrote: His post entry passes need a lot of work as well.


Yeah, but unlike Shannon, he actually tries to pass it in the post. He'll get it eventually.



Shannon Brown?!...... I thought his name wasn't to be written in the Lakers Discussion forum again.....

If we are making that comparison, I'll take a lot of ATTEMPTED post passes that don't get there from Morris any day over fade away 3's at the end of the clock Brown just killed dribbling.....
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby kray28 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:34 pm

Lakeshow24 wrote:
kray28 wrote:
Watch this closely....Paul actually fouls McRib on the wrist to create the loose ball. Then climbs on top of McRib one knee to the head and another knee to the chest.

I'm thinking this scrum might have led to the tweaked hamstring. If so, it's a just dessert for what was a pretty dirty play.


I didn't see anything dirty with the play.


You didn't see Paul climb up on McRib's head and chest with both knees? Check the 0:39 mark in that video.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby trodgers on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:00 pm

Morris's weakest link right now is clearly his post entry passing...and his passing to Kobe when Kobe's not in the post and Morris throws those rainbows to him. He threw at least two of them nearly out of bounds, but Kobe went and got them.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby Lakeshow24 on Sun Jan 15, 2012 3:23 pm

kray28 wrote:
Lakeshow24 wrote:
kray28 wrote:
Watch this closely....Paul actually fouls McRib on the wrist to create the loose ball. Then climbs on top of McRib one knee to the head and another knee to the chest.

I'm thinking this scrum might have led to the tweaked hamstring. If so, it's a just dessert for what was a pretty dirty play.


I didn't see anything dirty with the play.


You didn't see Paul climb up on McRib's head and chest with both knees? Check the 0:39 mark in that video.


Wasn't exactly Dennis Rodman or anything. It looked to me like his knee was there by matter of circumstance. Good hustle IMO. Although he did definitely slap McRoberts' wrist quite obviously to create the scramble, the refs definitely blinked when that happened.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby TIME on Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:03 pm

trodgers wrote:Morris's weakest link right now is clearly his post entry passing...and his passing to Kobe when Kobe's not in the post and Morris throws those rainbows to him. He threw at least two of them nearly out of bounds, but Kobe went and got them.


Yeah what was up with those two passes? :man3:
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby Tobias Funke on Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:07 pm

With all due respect to Morris (and I definitely do see potential in him), I think this thread says alot more about our regular PG rotation than it does about Darius.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby revgen on Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:04 pm

viktorkain wrote:I would weigh in with my opinions but first I will present the Facts.

First of all the stats. These stat lines Only take into account the times when they were checking one another On Court.

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-On the Play that got Mike Brown a technical foul Morris used a hesitation step and lost Chris Paul who was forced to grab him.

- The Foul Called against Morris with 1.9 on the clock in the first was a rookie call. No foul and if anything Offensive foul on CP3. He did not Lose Morris on the Iso Dribble drive until he pushed off with his shoulder.

- Chris Paul score 13 of his 33 points on Darius Morris. 20 on the rest of the team.

-Morris was very active and Altered a lot of CP3's shots and passes. Billups was having difficulties with him and settled for the jumper.

-The second time CP3 fouled Morris was because he went the wrong way on a move Morris made. Not a Shooting foul as Morris was just driving to the lane.

- Morris Talked to Steve Blake a Lot whenever he was on the bench. Being Open to learn is always a good rookie trait.

-Morris Never backed down or felt sorry for his self.

- Morris Only two turnovers came in the first quarter after he calmed down he had no more To's

- In his game vs the Cavs Morris would get the ball into play with 11 seconds on the shot clock. Vs the Clippers he would get the ball into play with 18 on the shot clock. A marked improvement.

-End of the third quarter Morris takes the ball away from CP3 it is recovered by Blake.

- Morris is very active and annoying on the Defensive end.

- Morris had 2 fast break assists and a transition assist to Gasol. A bounce pass between two defenders and an alley oop.

- Darius Morris is 50% from the field 100% from the Free throw Line and 100% from the three point line for the season if you combine the Preseason his shooting % goes up to 61 and his three point % is still 100.

Now the College facts.

The three most talked about rookie PG's are Norris Cole, Ricki Rubio and Kyrie Irving. Comparing their second years to Morris's second year is pretty fair seeing as He left in his second year so with that being said.

Norris Cole 6'2 170 lbs

PPG 13.3 on 45.3% assists 2.4 Reb 2.5 Steals 1.2

Kyrie Irving 6'2 180 lbs

PPG 17.4 on 52.9% assists 4.2 Reb 3.3 Steals 1.4

Ricky Rubio 6'4 180 lbs

PPG 9.8 on 39.1% assists 4.5 Reb 2.8 Steals 2.4

Darius Morris 6'5 190 lbs

PPG 15.2 on 48.9% assists 6.7 Reb 3.9 Steals 1.0

Sure these are College numbers but its a comparative work load and per 40 mins of college ball Morris outdid them all at 8.8 assists per 40. Had he stayed his final two years the Lakers would have had no chance of getting him via draft. Seriously.

-My Opinion the kid needs time to develop but we did get the steal of the draft and to many Lakers fans obviously do not follow College basketball. He slipped in the draft for two reasons and two reasons only. First his Outside shot (which is much improved) and second because he left College to early and teams do not want to spend time developing players unless they think they are a lock to be the next Kobe Bryant/Lebron James/Derek Rose.

Stats don't lie.

Side Note. If you don't know the kids talent and skill set take a look.


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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby XXIV on Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:13 pm

Thanks for sharing rev, it's a very good post. I really believe Morris can be something special for us as long as he gets the time needed to improve. Hopefully Mike Brown continues to play him when Blake returns because so far it seems Morris > Fisher.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:05 pm

Nice find Rev. The points that poster made about the game are all very true, he forget to mention at least 3 times during the Cavs game he got wide open looks for the second unit that weren't converted and the unit as a whole got pulled way before they should have if they didn't squander the lead so fast. This is the second time now that he hasn't backed down from CP3 or Billups, the kid has a competitive fire, he just needs to be on an accelerated learning curve considering our PG situation right now.

I like the point he/she made about the fact that Morris left a year too soon. Realistically if he would have put up the same numbers and improved his outside shot to a respectable number we wouldn't even have been able to get anywhere near this guy in the draft.

I don't think he is a starter yet, but between him and Fisher he should be getting more of the minutes for the simple fact that he can stay in front of PG's and challenge them more than that old man can. He seems like a quick learner and has a good feel for the game. He still a little big of a project now, but in 2 weeks or 6 games whatever comes first, I think he will be showing a whole lot more than he is right now in terms of the player we are all hoping he can be. Once he starts getting more aggressive once he hits the paint and builds up some chemistry with the bigs we're going to see some good stuff from this kid. I really believe that.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:20 pm

i laughed when he threw a post entry bounce pass at bynums feet
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby revgen on Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:24 am

^Me too. He also made some awful passes to Kobe too. And Kobe gave him the "black mamba death stare" when it happened. LOL.

He just has to get used to passes that don't involve fastbreaks and drive and kicks, which is pretty much all he did in HS and college because the players he played with weren't all that talented. No post-up bigs and no uber-talented guards like Kobe. He'll figure it out eventually though.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:02 am

^yea those 10 foot high passes to kobe at the 3 point line when he was right next to him were just comical :man10:
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