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Postby Lakerjones on Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:27 am

Alleyhoops wrote:For my money, I think Trey Johnson was/is a better point guard.


^^ I liked that guy, too.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby NeeJee on Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:48 am

Darius needs to learn how to make a freakin entry pass before he can start.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby jism on Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:01 am

Lakerjones wrote:
Alleyhoops wrote:For my money, I think Trey Johnson was/is a better point guard.


^^ I liked that guy, too.


Trey Johnson never was a point guard
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby kray28 on Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:28 am

Trey Johnson would be great about now...for the simple reason that the guy had nice little mid-range jumper.

We need a point guard, but we don't necessary need a Nash/CP3/DWill type PG. We need one that can make a nice post entry pass, space the floor with a solid J, and play solid D.

Morris problem from the getgo is that he's a pass first guy and he doesn't look to shoot at will. It makes him ridiculously easy to defend, because defenders just play off his for the pass.

He needs to come in, and hit some shots, and force the D to honor his shot....then passing to the bigs, or cutters, and making all those plays he wants to make becomes easy.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby abeer3 on Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:29 am

jism wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:
Alleyhoops wrote:For my money, I think Trey Johnson was/is a better point guard.


^^ I liked that guy, too.


Trey Johnson never was a point guard


and he's still better at playing pg than darius morris is right now.

think about that...

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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby viktorkain on Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:49 am

I think his main problem is he is not looking for his shot at all. He may have even been told to not look for his shot. All he does is look to pass and he is playing way less confident than he did in his previous 3 games. Something must have been said that shook his confidence because this is not the same drive to the land looking to score or kick morris I am used to. He played very timidly.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:46 am

kray28 wrote:Trey Johnson would be great about now...for the simple reason that the guy had nice little mid-range jumper.

We need a point guard, but we don't necessary need a Nash/CP3/DWill type PG. We need one that can make a nice post entry pass, space the floor with a solid J, and play solid D.

Morris problem from the getgo is that he's a pass first guy and he doesn't look to shoot at will. It makes him ridiculously easy to defend, because defenders just play off his for the pass.

He needs to come in, and hit some shots, and force the D to honor his shot....then passing to the bigs, or cutters, and making all those plays he wants to make becomes easy.


For a pass first guy you'd think he could pass better.....

I agree he needs to be decisive and attack a few times to put at least the thought out there that he may try to shoot or drive.

For someone that is supposedly so fast/quick he can't get any separation whatsoever from whomever is guarding him to either shoot or pass.

He needs a lot of work and it won't get any easier for him. We will see if he has the capacity to learn on the job now.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby viktorkain on Tue Jan 17, 2012 12:45 pm

Rooscooter wrote:For a pass first guy you'd think he could pass better.....

I agree he needs to be decisive and attack a few times to put at least the thought out there that he may try to shoot or drive.

For someone that is supposedly so fast/quick he can't get any separation whatsoever from whomever is guarding him to either shoot or pass.

He needs a lot of work and it won't get any easier for him. We will see if he has the capacity to learn on the job now.


In the Other 3 games he has played he played much better than he did against Dallas even played better vs the Clips. I have no Idea what was up with him yesterday but he looked shook up out there.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:13 pm

He's playing like he doesn't want to make a mistake, which leads to the play we are seeing right now. Only passing, not looking to score, making the safe plays as opposed to going out and creating an opportunity or taking advantage of his strengths. He's too indecisive right now and it is hurting him.

As soon as he starts shooting and obviously making those shots, the defense will have to adjust to him, which will lead to more opportunities to make plays for others. If he can just pick his offensive game up, his defense is already a strength of his, he could turn out to be a good role playing PG.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby thkthebest on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:49 pm

Pros:
- Actually plays some solid on-ball defense.

Cons:
- Holds the ball way too much without getting anything going on offense
- Careless turnovers
- Cannot make a post-entry pass
- Indecisive
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby John3:16 on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:54 pm

thkthebest wrote:Pros:
- Actually plays some solid on-ball defense.

Cons:
- Holds the ball way too much without getting anything going on offense
- Careless turnovers
- Cannot make a post-entry pass
- Indecisive


And he can't shoot. But otherwise, spot on.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby thkthebest on Tue Jan 17, 2012 6:57 pm

^Well, he did make that 50-foot buzzer beater. :man12:
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby cthroatgtr on Tue Jan 17, 2012 8:51 pm

Morris looks like a rookie with no summer league and no camp. He has some skills but he over penetrates, over dribbles and forces passes. He also is timid to shoot except on those over drives to the hoop. D-league would suit him better until he figures it out. Right now he is a turnover machine and no real offensive threat. Is a willing defender and has quickness over Fish/Blake.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby NeeJee on Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:01 pm

thkthebest wrote:Pros:
- Actually plays some solid on-ball defense.

Cons:
- Holds the ball way too much without getting anything going on offense
- Careless turnovers
- Cannot make a post-entry pass
- Indecisive

I think a lot of those cons are just from some on and off rookie jitters. He just needs to be aggressive, and not try to do too much.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby Mastermixer on Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:26 pm

I thought his D was pretty solid against thE mavs. But I swear he didn't drive past the 3 point line
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby viktorkain on Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:44 am

The NBA's D League is so overhyped as a source of actual competitive training and gameplay the best place to get NBA level experience is on an NBA court. These 4 games he has been a part of is more than a years worth of D league experience in my opinion. Shannon Brown averaged 27 in the D league Hell Andrew Goudelock went to the D league and got 24 easy. No one plays any real Defense in the D league which is why their scores are generally so darn high. Let the Kid take his lumps and learn. I do wish we would have had a full Preseason it would have helped his game and this team tremendously. Everyone saying he cant shoot must be joking. He shot right at 49.8% from the field for his entire college tour the only issue was his 3pt shot. His mid range game is just about automatic. Until Proven other wise I will take Chris Pauls Critique of the kid as my own.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby kray28 on Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:36 am

Morris right now is a perfect candidate for the D-League....he'd get the playing time he needs to mature and he wouldn't kill the Lakers on the court with totally clueless play.

It says something when the best play you make is a hockey assist where Josh McRoberts sees the court better than you.

Morris' court vision is questionable and his lack of decisiveness is even worse.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby davriver290 on Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:56 am

kray28 wrote:Morris right now is a perfect candidate for the D-League....he'd get the playing time he needs to mature and he wouldn't kill the Lakers on the court with totally clueless play.

It says something when the best play you make is a hockey assist where Josh McRoberts sees the court better than you.

Morris' court vision is questionable and his lack of decisiveness is even worse.



what better way to mature, than the NBA level? Despite is obvious blunders, the kid is learning. He is a lot quicker than what most people say. He does easily penetrate, but your right, he lacks decisiveness. You either float that baby in, or shoot it out to someone outside.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:58 am

davriver290 wrote:
kray28 wrote:Morris right now is a perfect candidate for the D-League....he'd get the playing time he needs to mature and he wouldn't kill the Lakers on the court with totally clueless play.

It says something when the best play you make is a hockey assist where Josh McRoberts sees the court better than you.

Morris' court vision is questionable and his lack of decisiveness is even worse.



what better way to mature, than the NBA level?


The Timberwolves are for "maturing at the NBA level"..... not the Lakers while in Kobe's remaining prime years.....

We need to make a move because we are not better when he is in the game and we have no other choices....
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby khmrP on Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:47 am

this is bringing flash back from Farmar rookie year :man6: to me as much as I dont like Fish game at least he doesn't pound the ball and kill clock as much as this guy does....only difference between the two to me right now is Morris can guard some of the faster guys w/o help at times
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby Phil XI on Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:49 am

Trade him while he has value :man9:
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby viktorkain on Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:15 pm

kray28 wrote:Morris right now is a perfect candidate for the D-League....he'd get the playing time he needs to mature and he wouldn't kill the Lakers on the court with totally clueless play.

It says something when the best play you make is a hockey assist where Josh McRoberts sees the court better than you.

Morris' court vision is questionable and his lack of decisiveness is even worse.


Actually the best play he has made was either in the Clippers or the Jazz game and Josh had a different angle being on the wing than being at the top of the key, but I digress.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby jjin28 on Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:53 pm

I dont see the potential in Morris. He's not super quick, he has no outside touch, and he has no strength. He gets bounced around like a pingpong. He dribbles forever, and my heart always skips a beat when he's bringing the ball up to the halfcourt. Always gets over the halfcourt line with 17 seconds, barely missing the 8 second call.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby lotus on Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:05 pm

He is maximizing his rookie mistakes. Sigh.
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Re: Start Darius Morris

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:06 pm

this guy is playing horribly
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