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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:20 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Morris isn't even active..... that means the coaching staff doesn't think he even needs to be available to to play. I don't see how we are any better with a one dimensional rookie starting at the point...


He's been active the two games so far McBobs has been out with his toe injury. But I can see what you are saying the other games.

I still think he deserves a shot though since Fish is basically at rock bottom in terms of play right now.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:26 pm

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Rooscooter wrote:Morris isn't even active..... that means the coaching staff doesn't think he even needs to be available to to play. I don't see how we are any better with a one dimensional rookie starting at the point...


He's been active the two games so far McBobs has been out with his toe injury. But I can see what you are saying the other games.

I still think he deserves a shot though since Fish is basically at rock bottom in terms of play right now.


I'm not against giving him a shot.... I'm just pointing out that even with our less than WNBA play at that position he can't even get on the floor. Brown has shown that he will try different things yet Morris isn't one of them. He must not be impressing in practice or just isn't any better that what we are trotting out there.

There is one "conspiracy theory" possibility..... we are working on trades and we don't want any game tape of him out there so we don't have to include him in any trades....... I don't see the Coaching staff playing along with that unless something is coming soon.....
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:32 pm

I think a lot has to do with the Fish tenure thing. Brown will sit the guy in the 4th, but I don't think he has the cajones to sit him for a game to see if Morris has anything. It's just frustrating seeing the PG play be so awful and Brown not exhausting all his resources to see what he has and what he doesn't. At this point, Blake is offering the most and Fish isn't offering anything. Jury is still out on what Morris has to offer.

Something must be up in practice or he is in the doghouse for some reason. I don't think we will ever find out though unfortunately. Hopefully someone that can get the inside scoop on that, that covers the Lakers can offer some insight.

Rooscooter wrote: There is one "conspiracy theory" possibility..... we are working on trades and we don't want any game tape of him out there so we don't have to include him in any trades....... I don't see the Coaching staff playing along with that unless something is coming soon.....


You have my attention. :man9:
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:42 pm

Morris isn't the solution... besides overdribbling the ball and making prayers at the end of the clock he didn't do much in the preseason .. you can't ask a 2nd draft round rookie to play the most complicated position in basketball .. the experience would be worse than Fish ... yes that's possible :man10:
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Doberman on Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:47 pm

Sam Cassell made HUGE contributions off the bench for the Houston Rockets in their first title run. And he was a late 1st rounder pick (24th I believe). We have nothing to lose by giving him a chance.

Like Stephen A. Smith said: "But it doesn't matter. Because he's replacing [Derek Fisher]. And when you take it to the fact that you're replacing nothing...that makes you SOMETHING!" :man9:
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby JGC on Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:51 pm

Doberman wrote:Sam Cassell made HUGE contributions off the bench for the Houston Rockets in their first title run. And he was a late 1st rounder pick (24th I believe). We have nothing to lose by giving him a chance.

Like Stephen A. Smith said: "But it doesn't matter. Because he's replacing [Derek Fisher]. And when you take it to the fact that you're replacing nothing...that makes you SOMETHING!" :man9:


With that logic, EVERY player should be given a chance if Sam Cassell did it! Haha.

I actually think there is something you could lose. The player. Mike Brown MIGHT have set Ebanks back a full season by starting him and then basically DNP'ing him. There's no need to rush Darius Morris in right now. I would however, like to see Goldilocks get more PT.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby earvinfr on Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:56 pm

The problem is that Blake plays well with the 2nd unit. Just imagine our 2nd unit with FIsh ??

So to have Morris on the court, you have to move Fish from starter to "Inactive". That's fine for me, but Brown will never do it.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby magicman32 on Sun Jan 08, 2012 11:03 pm

Just Morris' speed alone could get us some transition bucket or penetration and kick-outs. I'm baffled that garbage fisher gets any floor time.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby therealdeal on Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:01 am

earvinfr wrote:The problem is that Blake plays well with the 2nd unit. Just imagine our 2nd unit with FIsh ??

So to have Morris on the court, you have to move Fish from starter to "Inactive". That's fine for me, but Brown will never do it.


Ding ding. Blake is playing very well right now, he's been one of the bright spots early in the season. If you start him, you move Fish to the bench and you're going to end up having him split minutes with Morris. If time is given by merit, it goes to Morris almost by default and Fish ends up not getting ANY minutes. That could be for the best, but it's not going to happen.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby earvinfr on Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:01 pm

therealdeal wrote:
earvinfr wrote:The problem is that Blake plays well with the 2nd unit. Just imagine our 2nd unit with FIsh ??

So to have Morris on the court, you have to move Fish from starter to "Inactive". That's fine for me, but Brown will never do it.


Ding ding. Blake is playing very well right now, he's been one of the bright spots early in the season. If you start him, you move Fish to the bench and you're going to end up having him split minutes with Morris. If time is given by merit, it goes to Morris almost by default and Fish ends up not getting ANY minutes. That could be for the best, but it's not going to happen.

My problem is not Fish on the bench but Fish with 2nd unit !! I can't imagine him doing better with 2nd unit than what he does with the 1st. He'll only take more shots because he thinks he deserves it. That's why he need to be starter or "Inactive".
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Doberman on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:26 am

This kid must've screwed one of Jerry's ho's.

I get the argument that he's not ready to be starting, but ZERO minutes? He's not ready for garbage time minutes? At all? Not ONE?

Fisher was -17. Steve Blake was +33. The game should've been a blowout at the half, and would've been if Fisher hadn't played. No matter how "unready" Morris (or Goudelock) are, they simply can't be worse than Fisher.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby ggamannom on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:55 am

i think first step may be to bench fisher and then slowly work in Morris, cutting Fisher's time on the bench, I just don't see this happening anytime soon unless Fisher throws up a brickshow with turnstile defense on national tv for like good 5 games (and by this i mean no points, 5 turnovers, single handedly costs a game on defense).

Maybe Morris isn't ready as a defender to earn time? I remember being impressed with glock's foot speed on D but don't have any memories of Morris being a good defensive player during the preseason. He's better than Fisher but just how much is he better to negate the leadership and veteran presence of fish?
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Doberman on Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:53 pm

UNLEASHED BABY!

So after watching this game, I agree that he's not ready to be starter, but that doesn't mean he can't contribute. Because he can, ALOT. His ballhandling isn't amazing but he's a bit shifty and can find that speed gear to drive to the hoop. His defense was also pretty solid while he was in there.

He gets criticized for dribbling too much. It's sort of yes and no. Most players that dribble too much are looking to shoot, and they just can't break down the defender fast enough. Morris is looking to pass. He's watching everyone move, and as soon as there's an opening he'll hit the open man. That's exactly what happened on Blake's 3 pointer. If nothing opens up, that's when he decides to drive and shoot the ball himself.

In any case, while he wasn't perfect, I'm really encouraged. We're going to need his speed and playmaking ability.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:05 pm

His mistakes were from trying too hard which is the way to make mistakes.... He dribbles with his head down and I don't think he is seeing the floor though....

He didn't hurt us as bad Fisher. I do like his speed with the ball but I can't figure out if he is fast or just fast in comparison to Fish and Blake......

We'll see. He's going to get some time I believe. Rib issues for Blake will limit his effectiveness for a few games.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby XXIV on Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:07 pm

Rooscooter wrote:His mistakes were from trying too hard which is the way to make mistakes.... He dribbles with his head down and I don't think he is seeing the floor though....

He didn't hurt us as bad Fisher. I do like his speed with the ball but I can't figure out if he is fast or just fast in comparison to Fish and Blake......

We'll see. He's going to get some time I believe. Rib issues for Blake will limit his effectiveness for a few games.


He's definitely pretty fast, plus his length against shorter point guards allows him to move around quicker and step by them easier.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby JGC on Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:08 pm

These kids need to be able to learn from their mistakes if they're going to develop. You can't pull a guy for trying too hard and then let him rot again. Commit to either Morris or Goldilocks in the rotation and let them learn.

Morris I thought looked good out there. He was assertive and aggressive. Yes he made some mistakes by trying too hard but hey, so did Kobe. I like what I saw in terms of effort from Morris.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby bruddahmanmatt on Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:09 pm

Derek weeps tonight. The end is near for him.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby revgen on Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:12 pm

Rooscooter wrote:His mistakes were from trying too hard which is the way to make mistakes.... He dribbles with his head down and I don't think he is seeing the floor though....

He didn't hurt us as bad Fisher. I do like his speed with the ball but I can't figure out if he is fast or just fast in comparison to Fish and Blake......

We'll see. He's going to get some time I believe. Rib issues for Blake will limit his effectiveness for a few games.


For a 6'4 guard, he's pretty damn fast with the basketball.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:13 pm

He looked good tonight. I'll take his 2 mistakes tonight over anything Fisher has to offer. He was active on D, caused a steal he wasn't credited for, had some nice passes, got into the defense and scored and with time looks like a good bench player for the future.

He was always trying to push the pace, but couldn't bc he was out there with Luke. We're going to need that youth and athleticism, with those fresh legs during this condensed season. Hopefully Brown realizes this guy needs minutes, preferably more than Fish.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby gcclaker on Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:18 pm

I missed the game... Is he fast or he's just in too much of a hurry? :man1:
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Doberman on Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:20 pm

For the record, he's 6'3, and his combine sprint time indicates he's very fast. 3/4 court sprint:

Darius Morris - 3.20
Aaron Brooks - 3.20
Chris Paul - 3.22
Deron Williams - 3.25

Now he's a little longer than those other guys, so you can say he's not as "quick". But he does possess good speed, especially considering he's 6'3.

Edit: And apparently he has a 6'8 wingspan. :man4:
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby kobe_mamba on Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:26 pm

so glad to see him get game time finally :jam2:
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby magicman32 on Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:34 pm

I think he looked good and really confident, I like the kid's game

Start Blake, split back-up PG minutes between Morris and Fish and slowly phase Fish out
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:44 pm

I like his size and build. I like the way he moves and his better than Fish quicks. I like his confidence. I like that he looks like he could contribute this year off the bench if he could get some more burn. I like that Mike is maybe coming around to liking the Abba music..... :man12: ... and maybe will give it to him. Extremely doubtful Phil would have given him any real time.

I get the impression Mike is picking his spots carefully as we go along and trying guys out in different situations and combos since he didn't really have a pre-season or the normal amount of practice games.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby revgen on Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:12 pm

Doberman wrote:For the record, he's 6'3, and his combine sprint time indicates he's very fast. 3/4 court sprint:

Darius Morris - 3.20
Aaron Brooks - 3.20
Chris Paul - 3.22
Deron Williams - 3.25

Now he's a little longer than those other guys, so you can say he's not as "quick". But he does possess good speed, especially considering he's 6'3.

Edit: And apparently he has a 6'8 wingspan. :man4:


If Morris is 6'3, then Steve Blake is at least 6'1 if not smaller. Morris is taller and longer than both Fish and Blake, and you don't even need to squint to see it. The fact that he is as quick as he is despite his size, makes me wonder why we haven't seen him sooner.

I like the potential, but unfortunately, he's way too young. We need somebody who can break down defenses like he does who's a vet, not a young pup.
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