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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Doberman on Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:17 pm

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Doberman wrote:For the record, he's 6'3, and his combine sprint time indicates he's very fast. 3/4 court sprint:

Darius Morris - 3.20
Aaron Brooks - 3.20
Chris Paul - 3.22
Deron Williams - 3.25

Now he's a little longer than those other guys, so you can say he's not as "quick". But he does possess good speed, especially considering he's 6'3.

Edit: And apparently he has a 6'8 wingspan. :man4:


If Morris is 6'3, then Steve Blake is 6'1. Morris is taller and longer than both Fish and Blake, and you don't even need to squint to see it.


Blake IS 6'1. I really don't know why all these players add 2 inches to their height. Dwight does the same.

I like the potential, but unfortunately, he's way too young. We need somebody who can break down defenses like he does who's a vet, not a young pup.


It's highly unlikely we get that this season. Our best bet is to develop him in the regular season so that he's ready to contribute that aspect for the playoffs. I'd rather have Morris make mistakes and be part of a sharp learning curve to rapid improvement, than to have Fisher make mistakes and have it lead nowhere.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Weezy on Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:20 am

I liked what I saw for the most part. He's a rookie, he's going to have bad plays, he's going to be raw, but he did good things too, he's quick, he can pass pretty well, and he is like the only other player on the team than Kobe that can get to the rim on his own. Think about that, the ONLY other player on the team that can beat somebody off the dribble and get to the hoop for a layup, that's praise for him but it's also kind of sad. Farmar used to be that guy for us, despite all his faults, I hope Morris at least gets SOME time here and there to develop a little, I see potential. He's not worse than Fisher, except maybe in the big game moments he's not used to yet.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Lakeshow24 on Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:29 am

Lots of potential. Extremely quick, has handles, is aggressive, going to be good for us. Definitely needs more minutes, prone to making lots of mistakes. The over-dribbling out of bounds, the turnovers, that was quite obvious he needs more time in blowout situations. I like that he takes a challenge though. Kobe might rub off on him.

Fisher's DONE though. Can't even shoot a 3 anymore. I agree with the title of this thread. Free the man, free him!
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby revgen on Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:42 am

Revgen after the 1st preseason game wrote:Morris was the only one outside of Kobe that I saw break down the defense.

If a 2nd round rookie is the only player outside of Kobe that actually penetrate, then we have a big problem.


I said it then. And I still say it's a huge problem.

I love his potential, but we need to pick up a vet.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:47 am

A vet like Aaron Brooks
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Doberman on Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:51 am

While I agree it won't be easy, I believe we're good enough to make due. Prior to this, the only other player we had to do it was Farmar and we won two rings.

The first Rockets championship team got that surprise contribution from a rookie Sam Cassell, who was a late draft pick and not expected to show much. They were less talented than we are, yet pulled through with great defense (2nd in the league) and Hakeem dominating on offense (27ppg). Their 2nd leading scorer was Otis Thorpe at 14 ppg. I think we can win the same way.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:13 am

We need to deal Pau for Deron and the Divorced Kardashian
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Dyeggoo on Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:53 am

Morris played finally. Clips anyone?
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:13 am

revgen wrote:
Revgen after the 1st preseason game wrote:Morris was the only one outside of Kobe that I saw break down the defense.

If a 2nd round rookie is the only player outside of Kobe that actually penetrate, then we have a big problem.


I said it then. And I still say it's a huge problem.

I love his potential, but we need to pick up a vet.


A SG that can create his own shot and play under control.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:38 am

KareemTheGreat33 wrote:We need to deal Pau for Deron and the Divorced Kardashian


I'd love it if we could pull that off......

So far D-Will hasn't even voiced any dissatisfaction much less requested a trade..... No pressure on NJ to do any deal and I still believe that they are the front runners in the Dwight sweepstakes.....
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:49 am

Well he's very raw ... he obviously has skills but as a Lakers fan I don't have the patience to watch him go through the necessary mistakes to be able to become a decent NBA PG ... it's cool if you are a Wizards fan or a Wolves fan ... we are in "win now" mode with this team
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby revgen on Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:51 am

lakerfan2 wrote:
revgen wrote:
Revgen after the 1st preseason game wrote:Morris was the only one outside of Kobe that I saw break down the defense.

If a 2nd round rookie is the only player outside of Kobe that actually penetrate, then we have a big problem.


I said it then. And I still say it's a huge problem.

I love his potential, but we need to pick up a vet.


A SG that can create his own shot and play under control.


PG or SG doesn't matter at this point. Just as long as he's a vet and he breaks down defenses off the dribble to create for himself or teammates.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby borri on Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:07 pm

^^^

Irony here is....this year's squad is more conducive to the TRI than the last 3 year's TRI squad under PJ.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:26 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:Well he's very raw ... he obviously has skills but as a Lakers fan I don't have the patience to watch him go through the necessary mistakes to be able to become a decent NBA PG ... it's cool if you are a Wizards fan or a Wolves fan ... we are in "win now" mode with this team


You don't have the patience to see a rookie make mistakes? Do you know who are starting PG is? I'll take Morris over dribbling one or two possessions a game than Fish who can't drive, shoot, play defense or bring anything else to the table for numerous possessions a game. I'd rather Morris get his lumps now and be ready for the playoffs than have Fish suck and suck worse for the playoffs.

If we can get a vet PG I'm all for it, but if were working with what we got Morris > Fisher, patience or no patience. Kid needs more minutes, he can play and has skills.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Lakeshow24 on Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:07 pm

The way I see it, ideally, is we can keep Goudelock OR Morris. I can't deal with two rooks out there making mistakes. I'd prefer Morris because we haven't had a quick guard in a long time, but then again we need Goudelock's shooting in a major way. Hopefully Morris or Goudelock can be utilized in some sort of trade package to get us a decent veteran guard who can handle the rock, play some D, make a few jumpers every night.

We definitely can't allow Morris and Goudelock to both learn and make rookie mistakes. Not when we're in "win now" mode.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby XXIV on Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:32 pm

Lakeshow24 wrote:The way I see it, ideally, is we can keep Goudelock OR Morris. I can't deal with two rooks out there making mistakes. I'd prefer Morris because we haven't had a quick guard in a long time, but then again we need Goudelock's shooting in a major way. Hopefully Morris or Goudelock can be utilized in some sort of trade package to get us a decent veteran guard who can handle the rock, play some D, make a few jumpers every night.

We definitely can't allow Morris and Goudelock to both learn and make rookie mistakes. Not when we're in "win now" mode.


Making mistakes is how they learn and every rookie will go through these mistakes. Just look at Kobe he airballed numerous shots against the Jazz in the playoffs yet the Lakers didn't give up on him and that turned out to be a great investment.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Lakeshow24 on Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:38 pm

XXIV wrote:
Lakeshow24 wrote:The way I see it, ideally, is we can keep Goudelock OR Morris. I can't deal with two rooks out there making mistakes. I'd prefer Morris because we haven't had a quick guard in a long time, but then again we need Goudelock's shooting in a major way. Hopefully Morris or Goudelock can be utilized in some sort of trade package to get us a decent veteran guard who can handle the rock, play some D, make a few jumpers every night.

We definitely can't allow Morris and Goudelock to both learn and make rookie mistakes. Not when we're in "win now" mode.


Making mistakes is how they learn and every rookie will go through these mistakes. Just look at Kobe he airballed numerous shots against the Jazz in the playoffs yet the Lakers didn't give up on him and that turned out to be a great investment.

Kobe at 17 years old airballing shots when we need a bucket is still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Morris and Goudelock combined.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby XXIV on Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:42 pm

^ You say that now because you know how the Kobe situation turned out, but what would you say if Morris or Goudelock airballed 4 shots in a close playoff game?
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Lakeshow24 on Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:59 pm

XXIV wrote:^ You say that now because you know how the Kobe situation turned out, but what would you say if Morris or Goudelock airballed 4 shots in a close playoff game?


No. Sorry. We knew from the very first moment or highlight of Kobe Bryant even touching a basketball that this guy was something special. Goudelock and Morris strike me as "just be lucky you're on the team and please do something productive this season."

The comparison isn't even close.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby XXIV on Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:09 pm

Lakeshow24 wrote:
XXIV wrote:^ You say that now because you know how the Kobe situation turned out, but what would you say if Morris or Goudelock airballed 4 shots in a close playoff game?


No. Sorry. We knew from the very first moment or highlight of Kobe Bryant even touching a basketball that this guy was something special. Goudelock and Morris strike me as "just be lucky you're on the team and please do something productive this season."

The comparison isn't even close.


I disagree with your statement. Just because someone has the potential to be great doesn't mean they'll be a superstar. Look at how many players were thought to become great players in the NBA yet ended up being scrubs and a waste of talent? Then there are those players who were never expected to be more than a bench warmer and they turned out to be amazing players, such as Ginobli. Goudelock and Morris could potentially be that type of player for us if we give them the time they need to grow and become a better basketball player.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Lakeshow24 on Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:30 pm

XXIV wrote:
Lakeshow24 wrote:
XXIV wrote:^ You say that now because you know how the Kobe situation turned out, but what would you say if Morris or Goudelock airballed 4 shots in a close playoff game?


No. Sorry. We knew from the very first moment or highlight of Kobe Bryant even touching a basketball that this guy was something special. Goudelock and Morris strike me as "just be lucky you're on the team and please do something productive this season."

The comparison isn't even close.


I disagree with your statement. Just because someone has the potential to be great doesn't mean they'll be a superstar. Look at how many players were thought to become great players in the NBA yet ended up being scrubs and a waste of talent? Then there are those players who were never expected to be more than a bench warmer and they turned out to be amazing players, such as Ginobli. Goudelock and Morris could potentially be that type of player for us if we give them the time they need to grow and become a better basketball player.


Kobe is 33 years old. We won 2 championships in the past 3 years, crashing and burning last season in embarrassment. We don't have time to develop multiple players. That's the Clippers' job. The Lakers are on a mission to get back on top immediately. I believe we can perhaps develop one rookie this season with decent minutes, but not enough room for both rookies to make rookie mistakes.

Using Kobe as an example is a bad idea. We knew he was a superstar immediately which is why dude was even on the court. Del Harris had some serious round ones to even leave Kobe on the court and let him dribble the ball in those crucial situations. It probably cost him his job. Even as a little kid, I personally believed our offense should have been run through Nick the Quick to find Shaq, but understood that Kobe was already amazing at 17.

Goudelock and Morris will NEVER develop into anything close to Kobe. Perhaps Ginobili might be in them one day if we're lucky to underestimate their potential development, but they aren't Kobe. Never will be. Letting Kobe make mistakes is a whole lot different than letting the other guys make mistakes.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby XXIV on Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:37 pm

I understand neither rookie stacks up to Kobe when he was 17 but Morris himself is no slouch either. Many people believed if Morris stayed in college for another year he would have been a lottery pick, and he's really the only rookie I care about getting minutes. I'd much rather play him than Fisher because although they might be making the same mistakes at least Morris will continue to develop instead of Fisher who's declining each game.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby Lakeshow24 on Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:39 pm

XXIV wrote:I understand neither rookie stacks up to Kobe when he was 17 but Morris himself is no slouch either. Many people believed if Morris stayed in college for another year he would have been a lottery pick, and he's really the only rookie I care about getting minutes. I'd much rather play him than Fisher because although they might be making the same mistakes at least Morris will continue to develop instead of Fisher who's declining each game.


Now that I agree with! Morris >>> Fisher.

But to play Goudelock AND Morris with Fisher riding the pine? No thanks. I'd rather Fish get his 15 minutes per game, take him out when he's playing like garbage. Leave him out when he's hitting jump shots. Morris can develop by playing another 15 minutes or so, and let Steve Blake play the rest of those minutes. Veteran play does matter.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby XXIV on Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:46 pm

Lakeshow24 wrote:
XXIV wrote:I understand neither rookie stacks up to Kobe when he was 17 but Morris himself is no slouch either. Many people believed if Morris stayed in college for another year he would have been a lottery pick, and he's really the only rookie I care about getting minutes. I'd much rather play him than Fisher because although they might be making the same mistakes at least Morris will continue to develop instead of Fisher who's declining each game.


Now that I agree with! Morris >>> Fisher.

But to play Goudelock AND Morris with Fisher riding the pine? No thanks. I'd rather Fish get his 15 minutes per game, take him out when he's playing like garbage. Leave him out when he's hitting jump shots. Morris can develop by playing another 15 minutes or so, and let Steve Blake play the rest of those minutes. Veteran play does matter.


I'm glad we finally agree on something. :man1:

Veteran leadership and experience definitely does matter especially on a contending team, but it doesn't have to always be on the court. Fisher can still provide his leadership off the bench and take a step back by letting Steve Blake start and Morris receiving a good amount of minutes as well. Just by looking at yesterday's game you can tell Morris definitely has game. It was his first game since the preseason and he showed his ability to drive and make some good passes. However, his ability to read the defense and make smarter passes will come as he progresses which I hope Mike plans to help him through.
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Re: Free Darius Morris

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:09 am

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wcsoldier81 wrote:Well he's very raw ... he obviously has skills but as a Lakers fan I don't have the patience to watch him go through the necessary mistakes to be able to become a decent NBA PG ... it's cool if you are a Wizards fan or a Wolves fan ... we are in "win now" mode with this team


You don't have the patience to see a rookie make mistakes? Do you know who are starting PG is? I'll take Morris over dribbling one or two possessions a game than Fish who can't drive, shoot, play defense or bring anything else to the table for numerous possessions a game. I'd rather Morris get his lumps now and be ready for the playoffs than have Fish suck and suck worse for the playoffs.

If we can get a vet PG I'm all for it, but if were working with what we got Morris > Fisher, patience or no patience. Kid needs more minutes, he can play and has skills.


again ... we are not a lottery team , we don't have time to develop a rookie who is very far from being NBA ready .

Morris has no idea how to run this team which already has a very stagnant offense... yep Fisher is terrible and shoudn't see the floor for one single minute ... but I'd still take him to finish games over Morris
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