Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby JSM on Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:19 am

Marc Stein of ESPN wrote:No less an authority than Kobe Bryant announced this week that he's convinced longtime teammate Derek Fisher will not have to wait forever to remove himself from the list of free agents still looking for work.

"I'm pretty confident," Kobe says, "he'll find a team."

It might even be the Los Angeles Lakers, in extreme circumstances, if more dominoes fall fortuitously for the team that has already annoyed the rest of the league with all of its good dominoes fortune this past offseason.

It's not feasible for the Lakers to bring back Fisher now, because league rules preclude them from signing a player traded away and then waived (in this case by Houston) for one year after the original deal. Which means March 15, 2013, is the earliest Fisher could legally re-sign with L.A.

Yet sources with knowledge of the Lakers' thinking say that the team is already trying to create a backcourt opening, having made it clear to the rest of the league that Chris Duhon and Steve Blake are available via trade to any interested party willing to absorb one of those contracts.

While it's true that no trade is imminent in either case, that's also the norm in October when outlooks are still rosy in pretty much every NBA training camp and teams generally aren't ready to move. Could the Lakers eventually find a taker for one of those vets? Blake has one season left on his contract after this one valued at $4 million, but Duhon's $3.75 million salary in 2013-14 is unguaranteed, which makes his contract a more attractive acquisition.

The bigger question is whether Fisher, at 38, is prepared to wait around into the spring to see if the Lakers would have a suitable need for him or if it's wiser to join the first contender that comes calling.

It's believed that both Fisher and fellow vet free agent Kenyon Martin were in no rush to sign anything in this guaranteed-dollars-are-scarce marketplace, figuring that an early-season injury suffered by an elite team could change the landscape in a hurry. Yet it would take a considerable amount of patience from Fisher if he's intent on holding out for the Lakers.

It should be noted, though, that Bryant's fellow alumnus from the NBA draft class of 1996 returned from his brief stint with the Oklahoma City Thunder late last season to train for much of the offseason at both the Lakers' and Clippers' practice facilities. That's even after the Lakers felt they had to move Fisher out in March as part of the various trade-deadline machinations that brought Jordan Hill and Ramon Sessions to town.

"Every team," Kobe announced Wednesday, "needs a guard like him."

Along with Fish and K-Mart, any list of the most established names yet to be signed in free agency would have to include Gilbert Arenas, Leandro Barbosa, Josh Howard, Mehmet Okur, Mickael Pietrus and Michael Redd.

Correction: The original version of this post suggested that Fisher could re-sign with the Lakers immediately. But he is not actually eligible to return until March 15, 2013, because he was waived by the team (Houston) that originally acquired him from L.A.
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby quartzcharm on Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:22 am

I'd be ok with that. Fish is one of my all time favorite Lakers :jam2:
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:22 am

Cleveland / Washington / Philly.....

One you three please take one of these turds off our hands.
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:28 am

^^ Boy, do I love hearing that Blake/Duhon are on the block. I don't know how Mitch is going to find takers but man, he is the hardest working man in show biz (all apologies to the late James Brown). If anyone can do it, it's Mitch and his magic wand.

Personally I'd love to see Fish back on the team even though he's ancient. One thing is he's very durable and that could come in handy behind Nash. Fish on his worst day is better than either Blake or Duhon, regardless of age.
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby Alcindor on Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:29 am

We're trying to create a "backcourt opening" because we already have 4 damn PGs Stein. Don't read into it any more than that.
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby GT-R on Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:30 am

He can't come back to the Lakers until late March. It makes no sense for the Lakers to trade their depth at PG for a player who cannot sign with the team until next year. The Lakers want the roster spot to keep one of the kids. They want to keep Odom and Morris. Glock became replaceable when they signed Meeks.
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby karacha on Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:38 am

Fish for the playoffs -- yes. Getting rid of Duhon or Blake -- also yes. If I had to choose, I still think Blake is better then Duhon. We have "depth" behind Nash, but you all understand why I had to use those quotes, right?
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:43 am

GT-R wrote:He can't come back to the Lakers until late March. It makes no sense for the Lakers to trade their depth at PG for a player who cannot sign with the team until next year. The Lakers want the roster spot to keep one of the kids. They want to keep Odom and Morris. Glock became replaceable when they signed Meeks.



^^ While Stein is mentioning both names, I think it's Duhon that will go because his contract isn't guaranteed next season and it will be more attractive. Plus Blake is Brown's pet and I don't think they'll take him away just yet. He'll probably get this one last chance to prove himself.

Morris is already under contract so they've already committed to keeping him. GLOCK is definitely on the outs I think.

I believe they want one of those roster spots actually for CDR. Brown is more likely to play him than a rookie in DJO and realistically he seems like he can contribute. The Lakers are apparently high on him. He'll be much cheaper than Duhon, too.

It makes sense for the Lakers to clean up the log jam at PG, and add another wing player who can score.
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby therealdeal on Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:49 am

I've been thinking this in the back of my head for a while now. Fish is really done as a player, but I'd welcome him back in Duhon's role of 3rd string PG. The problem would be trading Blake/Duhon or Blake/____ or Duhon/____, etc for a TRUE 2nd string PG. That way the pecking order is clear.

There's a few teams out there that may need a backup PG... I'll have to look into it.
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby karacha on Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:53 am

Fish can't do much at this point in his career. But for the playoffs, if you need a clutch shot, you play Nash, him and Kobe together and good things will happen.
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby 432J on Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:00 am

oh god. i can't believe people still support the idea of bringing fish back to LA. i love the guy but he's just too old and not physically able to do much anymore. it would be great to see him return to LA in a coaching position but definitely not as a player
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby GT-R on Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:01 am

Lakerjones wrote:
GT-R wrote:He can't come back to the Lakers until late March. It makes no sense for the Lakers to trade their depth at PG for a player who cannot sign with the team until next year. The Lakers want the roster spot to keep one of the kids. They want to keep Odom and Morris. Glock became replaceable when they signed Meeks.



^^ While Stein is mentioning both names, I think it's Duhon that will go because his contract isn't guaranteed next season and it will be more attractive. Plus Blake is Brown's pet and I don't think they'll take him away just yet. He'll probably get this one last chance to prove himself.

Morris is already under contract so they've already committed to keeping him. GLOCK is definitely on the outs I think.

I believe they want one of those roster spots actually for CDR. Brown is more likely to play him than a rookie in DJO and realistically he seems like he can contribute. The Lakers are apparently high on him. He'll be much cheaper than Duhon, too.

It makes sense for the Lakers to clean up the log jam at PG, and add another wing player who can score.


I agree with you that Duhon is the odd man out. I said something similar in the Steve Blake thread.

To me CDR already made the team as the 3rd string SG/SF.
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:21 am

^^ Yeah, I saw that and totally agree with you - it's the most likely move here. Duhon is basically the same or worse than Blake at this point and like you said in that thread, his contract is the more attractive one. Plus for whatever reason, Brown loves Blake so I don't see him leaving just yet.

CDR needs to be retained, and Duhon's roster spot could be his.
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby Weezy on Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:37 am

I don't really want Fisher back, but it's fantastic to hear that Blake and Duhon are on the trading block. Hopefully they're trying to clear a spot for CDR.
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:45 am

Now is the time for Jose Calderon to demand a trade to the Lakers....

Blake / Duhon / Clark / Glock for Calderon

Toronto can waive Glock this year, Duhon at the end of the season, Clark expires this year and Blake is solid backup PG ( :man9: )

Toronto gets 4 great players.
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby therealdeal on Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:47 am

C'mon Mitch get that wand going. :man10:

And the best part of that trade is the roster spots cleared up. After that trade:

Nash/Calderon/Morris
Bryant/Meeks
Artest/Ebanks
Gasol/Jamison
Howard/Hill

Are the only guaranteed contracts. Then you sign Sacre, Douglas-Roberts, and Martin. Game time!
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby D.B. Cooper on Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:54 am

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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby pound4pound1 on Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:58 am

i love Fish but i dont really know if i want him back...sucks to type that but its true


but they can still move Blake/Duhon...
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby revgen on Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:10 am

If Blake/Duhon are shipped out and Fisher returns, it's mostly going to be done for financial reasons. Blake really hasn't delivered despite his price tag. Duhon is even worse. Fisher is definitely not a starter anymore, and probably won't ask to start if Nash is ahead of him, but he carries championship experience, lockerroom presence, and poise.
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby The Laker Link on Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:12 am

karacha wrote:Fish for the playoffs -- yes. Getting rid of Duhon or Blake -- also yes. If I had to choose, I still think Blake is better then Duhon. We have "depth" behind Nash, but you all understand why I had to use those quotes, right?


Nash, Fish, and one of those two in the Play-offs. I see the O'Brien in Kobe's hands already.
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby Weezy on Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:19 am

revgen wrote:If Blake/Duhon are shipped out and Fisher returns, it's mostly going to be done for financial reasons. Blake really hasn't delivered despite his price tag. Duhon is even worse. Fisher is definitely not a starter anymore, and probably won't ask to start if Nash is ahead of him, but he carries championship experience, lockerroom presence, and poise.


Probably won't ask to start? There's no way Fish would be able to ask to start over Nash and be able to keep a straight face.
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby lAKERfaNaticKID on Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:27 am

Dang wish sessions would have stayed instead of opting out. Nash/sessions. Wow
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby the MDE on Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:28 am

Bring back da Fish!
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby Weezy on Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:33 am

How sweet would upgrading from Blake to Barbosa right before the season starts. Dumping Duhon seems too good to be true, but I never doubt Mitch anymore.
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Re: Stein: Blake/Duhon on the block, Fish could return

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:02 pm

lakerswiz wrote:I got this one.

We're getting Barbosa.

Blake is either going to be dealt for picks or a trade exception for monetary purposes and to clear a roster spot.


My reaction if this happens......

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