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Postby Battle Tested20 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 6:49 pm

therealdeal wrote:It looks fine to me. It certainly seems like there's no room left for a 40 year old Nash who's largely ineffective.

Blake/Farmar
Kobe/Meeks
Young/Henry
Hill/Johnson
Gasol/Kaman

That's my pick, but we're pretty deep so I think there's plenty to go around.


I just don't like Young starting. I am sure you saw the chart last night during the gameday that TWC put up comparing him as a starter and coming off the bench. He is so much better in all categories and more efficient coming off the bench. Young even said after the game that coming off the bench works better for him because he can see how the game is going and he can play more of his game.

I also think Meeks should start to help space the floor for Kobe when he will get doubled while posting up.

Blake/Farmar
Meeks/Henry
Kobe/Young
Hill/Johnson
Pau/Kaman
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby karacha on Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:22 pm

^

I agree. That seems optimal. Except that Wes ends up playing the 4 again.... but someone has to play slightly out of position in the end. If Young can't get it going, Wes can step in and play some SF instead. It's a nice option to have. Basically: If Young doesn't work -- Wes plays some 3. Or if Young gets hot, and Wes seems out of it at the 4 -- Shawne can get minutes at the 4 instead. We're 11 deep, might as well use those guys. One of them has to have a good game on any given night.

However, if you make Kobe a full time 2 again, Meeks might lose his confidence playing very limited minutes as his backup;

Young might end up starting at the 3, and we probably don't want to see him playing with Kobe too much (I don't think I should explain why :man12: );

finally, Henry's minutes might be cut significantly -- or he ends up backing up Young which makes Wes a full-time 4.

That seems too much to overcome. Instead, we do what Battle and me are suggesting, and no one suffers, except maybe Wes here and there. You maximize Meeks, Young and Henry instead, and I doubt Kobe cares much whether he starts at the 2 or the 3. Finally, knowing MDA, he's not opposed to seeing Kobe taking care of the SF position. What can I say... I am a proponent of the Kobe = SF option right now.

In any case, Nash is the odd man out at this point in his career. That much is obvious.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby therealdeal on Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:04 pm

Basically you have to pick one person to not play as many minutes. In my opinion that should be Meeks or Henry. I think Johnson has the most room to grow and the most potential to be an NBA level player for this team. Henry is a close second, but his growth has been stunted these days.

Meeks has been great lately, but we've also seen what he looks like when he's cold and it's nasty. I'd much rather take my chances with guys like Wes, Nick Young, and Henry.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:56 pm

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puffyusaf#2 wrote:I stood by Blake as a player I really enjoy watching play......... Now I am glad that he is doing it on all facets of the game. Another great game.


This. And I stood by him as a solid guy on this team, one of the few outside of Kobe (and MWP last year) that has outstanding mental toughness and plays nearly 100% every night. And now those who were hating are biting their tongues and praising him..... :man10: Typical Laker fandrome


You guys act like he didn't deserve criticism. He literally didn't deserve a roster spot until MDA got here. It wasn't "typical Laker fandrome", it was calling a spade a spade.

He deserved criticism for sure but not the hate he got. The guy plays hard every game no matter what he is asked to do. He is playing on another level this year for sure but that doesn't negate all that was overlooked by the fans before his current level of pay.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby LakersN4 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:02 am

Would be amazing if we could cash in on Blake & Meeks hot starts & package them for a real starting PG. Hill/Blake/Meeks for Rondo :man1:
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:09 pm

LakersN4 wrote:Would be amazing if we could cash in on Blake & Meeks hot starts & package them for a real starting PG. Hill/Blake/Meeks for Rondo :man1:

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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby Weezy on Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:49 pm

12 more assists, he's yet to have a bad night since starting. Please retire Nash, please.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby raviator on Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:54 pm

Ok Blake officially has my vote as the starting pg for the rest of this season.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby therealdeal on Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:58 pm

This offense and these personnel are VERY good for Steve Blake. If he's healthy, he's our starting PG easily.

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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:59 pm

so i guess this is why MDA loves this dude so much
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:07 pm

Blake is balling. Love it. Don't think we need to slam Nash to praise Blake. Blakes game is speaking on its own. Way to lead this team again. 12 assist. :bow:
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby Weezy on Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:27 pm

I'm not trying to slam Nash, I would just rather have Blake running the point right now and not have Blake wasted standing around at the 2 spot. Nash as a PG was not running the offense, he was not moving all over the floor setting guys up for alley-oops and throwing fancy bounce passes for easy buckets. Nash was just out there not making shots, passing the ball around as soon as it came to him, and bumping into defenders and falling down a lot. If Nash comes back, he'll get the start even though he doesn't deserve it, so I'm not trying to bash him, I just want him to call it a career is all. :mhihi:
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby lakersyunowin on Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:45 pm

never thought i'd say this but...blake is the superior steve, and it's not even close.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby Pig Miller on Sun Nov 24, 2013 11:19 pm

this guy is gonna be good trade bait at the deadline!!! (only half serious)

this is the steve blake i thought we'd be getting a few years back. really enjoyed watching him play so far thsi season.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby karacha on Mon Nov 25, 2013 6:39 am

This guy is ballin' right now.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby lakerfan2 on Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:02 am

I don't remember Blake as this type of player (before the Lakers). I knew he was aggressive, I knew he was a good shooter. He's definitely picked up a few things from MDA and Nash while being on this squad.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby Lakerjones on Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:42 am

therealdeal wrote:This offense and these personnel are VERY good for Steve Blake. If he's healthy, he's our starting PG easily.

Nash... I love your heart, but please listen to Father Time. It's over.


^^ This. While it sounds like blasphemy or "hating" or whatever to say about an HOF player, but I really dread seeing Nash return. I want him to hang it up. The team plays much better at this point with Blake as the starting PG. And Farmar is perfect as the bench PG because we kick up the tempo. I don't see where a 39 year old Nash with nerve/back issues fits any more. He wasn't even a shell of his former self. He couldn't run the offense effectively and he couldn't shoot any more. How is that going to change any time soon?
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby The Rock on Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:48 am

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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:49 am

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Steve Blake's averages the last 10 games: 11.7 points, 9.5 assists, 3.5 rebounds, 46.3% from the field, 45.2% from behind the arc.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby karacha on Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:13 am

Very impressive.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby lukewaltonsdad on Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:21 am

Wow...After looking at Farmar's stats you posted in the other thread, I see no need for Nash provided Blake stays healthy...
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby LTLakerFan on Fri Nov 29, 2013 9:53 am

Well I thought Steve Blake was balling and playing really well. Until I read rydjorker121's updated scouting report on him last night. Not that he said he wasn't playing really well. It's just that some of the sophisticated analysis he uses and some of the modern metrics and what they mean go flying right over my head. I'm still not clear what player "usage" is. Got the impression some of the "appearance" of all his great play of late is not all it seems to be. Because of Dan's system artificially inflating numbers and the fancy analyses showing something a bit different. Not understanding all that I'm just going to go with my lyin' eyes. :what: :man11:

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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:02 am

Last 10 games from Farmar/Blake combined (One game Nash played 13 minutes throws off numbers a tad) .....

52 mpg / 21 ppg / 6 rpg / 14 apg / 38% 3pt / 28 EFF

Opponents PG's during that time

49 mpg / 19 ppg / 6 rpg / 10 apg / 29% 3pt / 20 EFF
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:44 pm

So many people hated on this guy but he has the same heart that Kobe plays with.... This guy is playing with a hyper extended elbow on his shooting arm. He couldn't even shoot with his right hand at practice. This is my last bump of the day :man1: but my man Blake 13pts. 10 ast. 3rbs. Add to that he was all up in Isiah's butt in the second half.

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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: "I love u @SteveBlake5" (107)

Postby Weezy on Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:51 pm

He's always had heart, doesn't mean he didn't deserve the "hate" (if saying somebody is playing terribly even is hate) to start the season, he sucked. He was pretty mediocre since he first came to LA a few years ago as well, he's only recently looked like the PG we thought we were getting years ago. So yeah he looks great now, but I'm not gonna apologize for criticizing his play for years, just like I wouldn't for criticizing Meeks last season. I love how he's playing though, it's been pretty much fantastic, so much so I don't want Nash to come back.
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