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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby therealdeal on Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:48 pm

I don't know what Blake you've been watching lakerfan2, but it's an outdated model. Blake since his injury has played generally pretty solidly. He's been better than before and he's been a really hard worker.

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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:31 pm

i don't question blake's effort at all. he brings it no doubt. i do like his man defense, and he fights.

yes, he does the things he should, but i'm still expecting more play making from him.

his play is stable, but not consistent. he has nice spurts, but doesn't carry it through both halves.

i prefer Duhon's ability to penetrate, but I hate that he likes to shoot 30 ft 3-pointers. i would say duhon's defense is not as good as blake, as blake is bigger and more aggressive.

again, i just would like to see blake be able to use the pick and roll more effectively. i think he would be much more effective if he can turn the screen and penetrate.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby therealdeal on Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:54 pm

^ He did it a lot on the road trip. He's taking pages from Nash's book about it. Drive, keep the dribble alive and pull up for that little 8 foot fade away over the Center when you come across.

He's done it before, he just doesn't do it too often.

My main gripe is that he picks up his dribble too often.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby Ariza3 on Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:34 pm

blake and meeks should be fine on him if we stop fast breaks and limit turnovers bc bledsoe's advantage isnt that much. they run their offense through jamal and bledsoe does his damage on fast breaks in transition and lobbing it for the bigs.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:16 am

lakerfan2 wrote:i'm sorry, but blakes stat llne does not justify his play.

he makes a few good plays, but with him in, the offense doesn't run that well and his defense is suspect. on the ball he's fine, but he gets lost on pick and rolls and rotations so easily. offensively, he needs to stop going laterally and start trying to penetrate. for the picks he's getting, he's going sideways and gets doubled and forces things, the offense goes dead. if he can learn to turn the pick quick enough to create a mismatch, things would open up offensively.


Boy you really don't watch Blake play do you? The only time he has problems running the offense is when guys don't move like they are supposed to do. He gets to the rim and he makes the right plays most of the time. Yes, he can get traped from time to time but again that is mainly do to poor rotation. That guy Nash has the same issue with our guys not moving. So does that guy Kobe. I don't know why fans can't see its the same basic issue every time. We have to move without the ball. Everyone wants to blame Coach D, blame Blake or Kobe passing to much but the truth is our offense stagnates when we stop moving. Blake is one of the few players who looks to get the ball inside to the bigs. Since coming back he has been more aggressive and it is putting pressure on the other team. On defense he is still a great man defender. If people watched that goes on without the ball they would see that he is one of the few that makes his man work. His problem is he gets picked and our guys show "softly" on the screens. The Lakers bigs have done that for ever. Gary Payton complained about it when he was here. Soft shows on the picks leaves the gaurds in trail mode. Quick gaurds are going to exploit that. Fans are going to blame the player but that is a team play. I guess I just watch a different game.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:59 am

I guess you do.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby khmrP on Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:25 am

I dont know bout that Blake getting to the rim stuff, he rarely does that and when he actually does do it he usually dribbles it right back out and usually just kills alot of clock.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:37 am

khmrP wrote:I dont know bout that Blake getting to the rim stuff, he rarely does that and when he actually does do it he usually dribbles it right back out and usually just kills alot of clock.


He doesn't do it a great deal but he does it. When the paint is open he will go into the rim (still looking for the pass more than I'd like). He doesn't over dribble or kill the shot clock in my opinion. The issues, as i stated, is when the team stands around.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:46 am

The team stands around because Blake is supposed to direct the team and call out the plays.

That's what a PG does right? I'm watching Blake go around a screen, and then go laterally. If he does get into the paint, he gets stuck.

I'll agree that he's played better than what we've seen before, but it's still not consistent.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 10:05 am

lakerfan2 wrote:The team stands around because Blake is supposed to direct the team and call out the plays.

That's what a PG does right? I'm watching Blake go around a screen, and then go laterally. If he does get into the paint, he gets stuck.

I'll agree that he's played better than what we've seen before, but it's still not consistent.


So then we need to blame Nash and Kobe for not directing when the team stands around when they control the game too? These guys don't need to be directed they need to show the energy to move without the ball and not settle for the 3. We get now ball or player movement when we sit out and just shoot. Yes, fans will blame Mike D's offense but that is not true either. Ball and player movement is what makes our offense work so well. When Kobe is on the block he is able to make the passes because guys are moving (most times) to the proper spots. Nash has a million TO's because guys don't move when he penetrates. A PG penetrates to force the switch which makes a mismatch in our favor. However, if the bigs don't move or rotate on penetration then the gaurds are stuck and forced to shoot wild shots. See: Kobe, Nash and Blake bailout shots for examples.

Again, I am not saying Blake is playing at a level that deserves the OMG he is awesome but he sure as hell doesn't deserve the hate he is getting.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby khmrP on Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:21 pm

Good effort today but he gets lost too on d.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby The Rock on Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:22 pm

Trade value sky high at the moment
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby SpencerHarrison on Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:34 pm

Our offense runs better under Blake than Nash right now. What a wake up call...
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby escobar8 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:37 pm

one of the best games of the season...to bad all our players cant get on the same page...
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:15 am

Great game by Blake. Horrible game by many others.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby therealdeal on Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:08 am

SpencerHarrison wrote:Our offense runs better under Blake than Nash right now. What a wake up call...

Why?
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:43 am

therealdeal wrote:
SpencerHarrison wrote:Our offense runs better under Blake than Nash right now. What a wake up call...

Why?


I swear I must be watching different games. Nash on the court the balls run through Kobe on the block. When Blake is in he runs the offense on penetration. Both players penetrate looking for the mismatch..... however, both are looking for the others to move without the ball especialy Nash. When our guys are moving, setting the right picks and cutting then Nash will deliver the ball. Unfortunately for Nash guys aren't doing that and he is putting the ball where they "should" be. I have been screaming that we need movement all season. It hasn't changed.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby therealdeal on Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:31 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
SpencerHarrison wrote:Our offense runs better under Blake than Nash right now. What a wake up call...

Why?


I swear I must be watching different games. Nash on the court the balls run through Kobe on the block. When Blake is in he runs the offense on penetration. Both players penetrate looking for the mismatch..... however, both are looking for the others to move without the ball especialy Nash. When our guys are moving, setting the right picks and cutting then Nash will deliver the ball. Unfortunately for Nash guys aren't doing that and he is putting the ball where they "should" be. I have been screaming that we need movement all season. It hasn't changed.

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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:17 pm

Blake + Jamison + Clark = works.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby SpencerHarrison on Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:27 pm

Maybe things look better under Blake because the second unit actually moves around? Jamison primarily.

I agree though, Nash possessions almost always result in getting Kobe the ball in the post. Then nothing. When the offense was clicking, it was because Kobe was distributing from there and playing a 2 man game with Pau at the elbow.

I'm just not entirely sure what the Lakers are paying Nash to do. Bring the ball up and hit a few jumpers a game? It's.... A bummer.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby LTLakerFan on Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:40 pm

Give it up for Steve Black..... has been very good keeping momentum and style of play going when Nash is out. Nice game again tonight against Celts. :jam2: :jam2:
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby therealdeal on Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:43 pm

Oh snap recognition!

I'm actually shocked, but D'Antoni has been his best Lakers' coach so far. He looks WAY more like the Steve Blake we thought we were getting 3 years ago. He's confident, he's penetrating, he's defending well. The man has looked really nice since his return to the court.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby GoldHammish on Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:44 pm

^Dare I say.... Looking almost like pre-Lakers Blake?
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:50 pm

I bet he has more takes to the hole since he's came back from injury than he has in his whole Lakers tenure. And I'm being serious.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby CaCHooKa Man on Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:53 pm

Doc Brown wrote:I bet he has more takes to the hole since he's came back from injury than he has in his whole Lakers tenure. And I'm being serious.


yea, and hes also been attacking the basket more
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