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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:00 pm

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puffyusaf#2 wrote:^You refuse to see his value plain and simple. I have broken down complete games for you and you still discredit the guy. He is a very solid defender. He does get burned on occassion but that happens to ALL players. The guy s a backup PG who manages the game, makes the right play most times and never forces the issue. You don't like the dude which can be the only reason for the constant hate in my opinion.


when have you broken down this? I see the last 3 games he doing the bare minimum, his passes I give him credit but lets not act as if he's getting into the paint and getting others easy open looks, the players he's passing it to already did the work for him buy getting into position so he could make those passes. As far as D goes, he gets lite up by just any backup PG with speed, game against Tor being the most glaring when as soon as Lucas came in he just went at Blake every chance he got.

I broke down 3 straight games last season when you were yelling how useless Blake was and praising Sessions. You didn't respond once I did because the arguement is pretty weak. He is running the team and getting the most important player when he is in looks, Dwight. As far as his D goes I disagree he gets lit up by any backup PG. When Blake isn't with his man it is usually off a pick which is a two-man defense. All our gaurds get brushed off picks and are either chasing or going under the screens. When the bigs force the PG to go out wider then the gaurds can recover. When they don't the gaurds cant. Like the title says Steve is Solid, Efficient and Productive doing exactly what we need from our backup PG. Again, I don't get the hate.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby khmrP on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:03 pm

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puffyusaf#2 wrote:^You refuse to see his value plain and simple. I have broken down complete games for you and you still discredit the guy. He is a very solid defender. He does get burned on occassion but that happens to ALL players. The guy s a backup PG who manages the game, makes the right play most times and never forces the issue. You don't like the dude which can be the only reason for the constant hate in my opinion.


when have you broken down this? I see the last 3 games he doing the bare minimum, his passes I give him credit but lets not act as if he's getting into the paint and getting others easy open looks, the players he's passing it to already did the work for him buy getting into position so he could make those passes. As far as D goes, he gets lite up by just any backup PG with speed, game against Tor being the most glaring when as soon as Lucas came in he just went at Blake every chance he got.

I broke down 3 straight games last season when you were yelling how useless Blake was and praising Sessions. You didn't respond once I did because the arguement is pretty weak. He is running the team and getting the most important player when he is in looks, Dwight. As far as his D goes I disagree he gets lit up by any backup PG. When Blake isn't with his man it is usually off a pick which is a two-man defense. All our gaurds get brushed off picks and are either chasing or going under the screens. When the bigs force the PG to go out wider then the gaurds can recover. When they don't the gaurds cant. Like the title says Steve is Solid, Efficient and Productive doing exactly what we need from our backup PG. Again, I don't get the hate.


please outside of shooting better 3pt% this season, his stats remain EXACTLY the same as last year and even now there's game's like yesterday where he forgets to shoot even with the shot is there
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby therealdeal on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:05 pm

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his passes I give him credit but lets not act as if he's getting into the paint and getting others easy open looks, the players he's passing it to already did the work for him buy getting into position so he could make those passes.

You just explained every pass ever made, ever.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:09 pm

KHMRP Like I said:

1. I don't know why you post in this thread because basically all it is unwarranted hate on the guy.
2. You never post when he actually plays exactly how you say he isn't playing.
3. His %'s for the year are not indicative of what he has done since returning from injury but you already know that.
4. Blake is looking to get players involved before himself. He finds the better play and shoots as a last resort. Funny that fans are complaining about MWP shooting too much yet you are here complaining that Blake isn't shooting.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby khmrP on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:14 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:KHMRP Like I said:

1. I don't know why you post in this thread because basically all it is unwarranted hate on the guy.
2. You never post when he actually plays exactly how you say he isn't playing.
3. His %'s for the year are not indicative of what he has done since returning from injury but you already know that.
4. Blake is looking to get players involved before himself. He finds the better play and shoots as a last resort. Funny that fans are complaining about MWP shooting too much yet you are here complaining that Blake isn't shooting.


I post because I disagree of the assesment that he is a "good" defender, I dont know how you interpret that term, is he better then Duhon, sure but thats not really saying much. As for poitn 3, I have nothing to say bout % I said his increased his 3pt, I said his OVERALL #'s are exactly the same as last year if not worse. as for 4, one guy is taking 7 3's a game at times shooting low 30's % the other is Blake shooting 41% from 3's and sometime can't even muster 1 shot from there, yea definetly should have the same gripe for these 2 guys.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby therealdeal on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:22 pm

I said his OVERALL #'s are exactly the same as last year if not worse.

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He's averaging more assists.
He's averaging less turnovers.
He's averaging higher FG%.
He's averaging higher 3PT%
He's averaging almost the same number of steals and points.
He's averaging slightly more blocks.
And he's doing it while averaging less minutes.

Per minute all of his averages are up.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby khmrP on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:30 pm

therealdeal wrote:
I said his OVERALL #'s are exactly the same as last year if not worse.

Wrong wrong wrong wrong. Wrong wrong wrong wrong! (Dr. Cox version)

He's averaging more assists.
He's averaging less turnovers.
He's averaging higher FG%.
He's averaging higher 3PT%
He's averaging almost the same number of steals and points.
He's averaging slightly more blocks.
And he's doing it while averaging less minutes.

Per minute all of his averages are up.

Year Team G Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
2010-11 LAL 79 20:00 1.4 3.9 35.9 0.9 2.4 37.8 0.3 0.4 86.7 0.2 1.7 2.0 2.2 0.9 0.5 0.0 1.3 4.0
2011-12 LAL 53 23:18 1.9 5.1 37.7 1.0 3.0 33.5 0.4 0.5 77.8 0.2 1.4 1.6 3.3 1.4 0.7 0.0 1.4 5.2
2012-13 LAL 27 20:41 1.7 4.2 41.2 1.0 2.4 41.5 0.4 0.6 68.8 0.2 1.9 2.1 3.7 1.1 0.6 0.1 1.7 4.9

minsicule increases and decreases, nothing to go running home and bragging about thats beside the pt, i dont care about his #'s increase/decrease, I just dont see this supposed good D stuff, all I see is whoever he guarding usally tend to seem to always get hot and that one play in OKC game where he there with 2 other lakers facing Jackson on a fastbreak with Blake standing right in front of him and he just side steps Blake with ease for a layup, plays like that stand out because I question why people think he's a good defender.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby therealdeal on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:34 pm

Again: per minute his averages are all way up. I don't care if you don't care :man10: that's the fact.

And who here is saying he's playing lock down defense? He just tries hard on that end. Like Meeks.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby khmrP on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:38 pm

therealdeal wrote:Again: per minute his averages are all way up. I don't care if you don't care :man10: that's the fact.

And who here is saying he's playing lock down defense? He just tries hard on that end. Like Meeks.


you did, not lock down but from your earlier post you make is sound as if he's good at it which I disagree and much like Meeks while effort is there same end results, the opposing players scoring with ease and at will. As far as shooting % goes, great its at 41% but he still only making 1/gm on avg. just like last year, why dont we account for that part of the stat?
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:41 pm

I'm done.. I just went back in this thread and you have been doing the same thing for over a year. It is simple hate plain and simple. YOu never post when he has a great game just when you can pick on something to prove your irrational dislike for him.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby khmrP on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:42 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:I'm done.. I just went back in this thread and you have been doing the same thing for over a year. It is simple hate plain and simple. YOu never post when he has a great game just when you can pick on something to prove your irrational dislike for him.


that's cause it RARELY happens, I gave him props earlier for game in which I thought he should be playing at (game @ Minn) but that doesn't happen very often. Yes I hate Blake the player and I can only hope he's not on the team next yr.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby therealdeal on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:45 pm

khmrP wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Again: per minute his averages are all way up. I don't care if you don't care :man10: that's the fact.

And who here is saying he's playing lock down defense? He just tries hard on that end. Like Meeks.


you did, not lock down but from your earlier post you make is sound as if he's good at it which I disagree and much like Meeks while effort is there same end results, the opposing players scoring with ease and at will. As far as shooting % goes, great its at 41% but he still only making 1/gm on avg. just like last year, why dont we account for that part of the stat?

Account for all parts of the stat? If I had more time I'd destroy this horrible argument man. I'll come back to this.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby thisbjgz on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:46 pm

Blake has been huge for us during this stretch after the ASG..anyone failed to see that is a troll and hasn't watched Laker games closely. PG is probably the hardest position to guard in the NBA..he fights through screens and has been copying the whole Steve Nash 'dribble in the paint and survey options' alot and it has worked pretty good at times. Him and Dwight has a pretty good connection on that P&R. He has hit timely 3's and made plays to help us win. I don't see how anyone can discredit his effort. I guess we can go back to Darius Morris as our backup PG if anyone is not happy with Blake.. :bang:
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:48 pm

^^^ Where do we sign up for that. :man13: :man13:
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby khmrP on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:48 pm

if you have to use Duhon/Morris as example of alternative sure Blake is GOAT.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:49 pm

khmrP wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:I'm done.. I just went back in this thread and you have been doing the same thing for over a year. It is simple hate plain and simple. YOu never post when he has a great game just when you can pick on something to prove your irrational dislike for him.


that's cause it RARELY happens, I gave him props earlier for game in which I thought he should be playing at (game @ Minn) but that doesn't happen very often. Yes I hate Blake the player and I can only hope he's not on the team next yr.


Really is the only point to your post. It doesn't RARELY happen you just refuse to see it. You already admitted it which is good so we can stop pretending that you care about the actual FACTS. Oh by the way, you don't give him props at all in fact you avoid this thread when he is playing great.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby khmrP on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:50 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
khmrP wrote:
puffyusaf#2 wrote:I'm done.. I just went back in this thread and you have been doing the same thing for over a year. It is simple hate plain and simple. YOu never post when he has a great game just when you can pick on something to prove your irrational dislike for him.


that's cause it RARELY happens, I gave him props earlier for game in which I thought he should be playing at (game @ Minn) but that doesn't happen very often. Yes I hate Blake the player and I can only hope he's not on the team next yr.


Really is the only point to your post. It doesn't RARELY happen you just refuse to see it. You already admitted it which is good so we can stop pretending that you care about the actual FACTS. Oh by the way, you don't give him props at all in fact you avoid this thread when he is playing great.


sorry if my definition of GREAT is different than yours, what he did @ Minn is great, what he's done over the last 4 gms or so is called getting by. Me not giving him props for EVERY passable gm is like you giving him due/pass when he has a bad game by using past game as ref.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby therealdeal on Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:58 pm

thisbjgz wrote:Blake has been huge for us during this stretch after the ASG..anyone failed to see that is a troll and hasn't watched Laker games closely. PG is probably the hardest position to guard in the NBA..he fights through screens and has been copying the whole Steve Nash 'dribble in the paint and survey options' alot and it has worked pretty good at times. Him and Dwight has a pretty good connection on that P&R. He has hit timely 3's and made plays to help us win. I don't see how anyone can discredit his effort. I guess we can go back to Darius Morris as our backup PG if anyone is not happy with Blake.. :bang:

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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby khmrP on Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:03 pm

everyone has difference of opinion, I'm just amazed at how low standards are when the word GREAT can be used in ref to Blakes play, take a look at Jared Jacks #'s with only 1.mill difference in salary thats what I expect if you want me to use the word GREAT for a backup player. Just so I dont sound like I only hate on Blake, i dont consider what Meeks is doing GREAT either, he just does what did last year.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:39 pm

khmrP wrote:everyone has difference of opinion, I'm just amazed at how low standards are when the word GREAT can be used in ref to Blakes play, take a look at Jared Jacks #'s with only 1.mill difference in salary thats what I expect if you want me to use the word GREAT for a backup player. Just so I dont sound like I only hate on Blake, i dont consider what Meeks is doing GREAT either, he just does what did last year.

Look you don't need to play with the "words" to try and make your point. You admitted you hate Blake so there for it doesn't matter what he does you will not like it. After reading earlier post in this thread you were doing the same thing no matter what he did. You want to plug and play a person in the hopes that "if they did it there they can do it here" but that isn't how it works. Jared Jack is a player who is ASKED to try and score for his team and not to SET UP his teammates. Those two aren't the same. It's like saying Dwight doesn't play like Dirk. Both are great players but are asked to perform different task on their teams. It is amazing that Kobe, Nash, Dwight and the coaching staff all sing high praise for Blake for what he brings to the team, yet, you find nothing but hate.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby khmrP on Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:46 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
khmrP wrote:everyone has difference of opinion, I'm just amazed at how low standards are when the word GREAT can be used in ref to Blakes play, take a look at Jared Jacks #'s with only 1.mill difference in salary thats what I expect if you want me to use the word GREAT for a backup player. Just so I dont sound like I only hate on Blake, i dont consider what Meeks is doing GREAT either, he just does what did last year.

Look you don't need to play with the "words" to try and make your point. You admitted you hate Blake so there for it doesn't matter what he does you will not like it. After reading earlier post in this thread you were doing the same thing no matter what he did. You want to plug and play a person in the hopes that "if they did it there they can do it here" but that isn't how it works. Jared Jack is a player who is ASKED to try and score for his team and not to SET UP his teammates. Those two aren't the same. It's like saying Dwight doesn't play like Dirk. Both are great players but are asked to perform different task on their teams. It is amazing that Kobe, Nash, Dwight and the coaching staff all sing high praise for Blake for what he brings to the team, yet, you find nothing but hate.


and yet Jack avg. 5.6asst/gm, thats what great players or backup can do, they can do more then 1 thing at a time. If/when Blake can reproduce his stat line like he did @ Minn on a 3-4 gm stretch here and there I'll glady eat my words give him his greatness praise.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:08 pm

^again it is all about numbers and not the things that don't show up on a stat sheet.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby khmrP on Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:30 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:^again it is all about numbers and not the things that don't show up on a stat sheet.


so your post try to play Jack as his role is to score but he still manages 5+ asst but then this is your counter when theirs actual #'s being provided, so what is Blake doing that dont show up on stat sheet that Jack doesn't? Again this is me saying I want Blake to match Jack's #'s but if you want me to praise him for being great then I expect those #'s Blake posted against Minn, 2-3 pts with 3-4 asst here and there is fitting of solid/contributor but not even close in definition of a great contributor.
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:51 pm

WTF!! I look into this thread to see the good comments for how Steve Black has been playing for the Lakers (best since he's been with us, and keeping the Nash type positives on the floor going when Nash is out) and run smack into khmrP just completely underwhelmed with him and wanting I guess something a whole lot better. Wow I guess the glass really is half empty, my bad. Sheesh. :bang:
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Re: Steve Blake Discussion: solid, efficient, productive

Postby lakersin4 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:53 pm

Blake's chemistry with Dwight is huge.. We didn't really see that with Duhon or Morris so it gives him an edge when we're figuring out who to dump next season.
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