Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby therealdeal on Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:23 am

^ I actually think the keys to the 2014 plan are Nash and Kobe.

Nash really HAS to retire. At 9 million he's going to really be an albatross around our necks. Kobe doesn't HAVE to retire, but he should come back at a super discount.

The only way I see us being really successful with our 2014 plan is if Howard is the only one on the books. That means that of a around 50 million dollar cap, we've used only roughly 20 million of it.

So we have 30 million dollars to spend. Get two really, really good players worth roughly 10 million each and that still leaves us with 10 million to fill out the roster. Perfect formula. That 10 million might have to go to Kobe which would be a killer, but then you've still got around 15-20 million before the luxury tax too. That means we still have an MLE and we still have a little bit of wiggle room to bring back guys like Hill or maybe Clark.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby LTLakerFan on Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:32 am

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LTLakerFan wrote:I like Lazenby's ideas a WHOLE lot better :disagree:



Like the one to make DEREK FISHER head coach???


Mark Jackson says hello. I would be one of the people on they yes side. The pipe scenario was with Jimmy as President, Phil as VP and Mitch still GM and everyone getting along. He would smoke Dan Tony. And Byron's NOT the coach for Dwight. At least Fish was there through the whole time with Shaq and seeing how to successfully use a big man with Zen Master available for meetings whenever. Works for me. He IS a leader.


Sounds like you are of the opposing view it's too early. No prob. :beer:
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby JGC on Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:50 am

Whoever the coach is, it needs to be someone who can stand up to Kobe the way Phil was able to. Scott won't do that. And neither would Derek. They're just too close. Shaw, MAYBE, but he's not an option.

Bottom line, someone has to be able to say, Kobe sit your butt back down on that bench, you are NOT playing 48 mins per game, etc.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby LTLakerFan on Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:56 am

JGC wrote:Whoever the coach is, it needs to be someone who can stand up to Kobe the way Phil was able to. Scott won't do that. And neither would Derek. They're just too close. Shaw, MAYBE, but he's not an option.

Bottom line, someone has to be able to say, Kobe sit your butt back down on that bench, you are NOT playing 48 mins per game, etc.


I disagree, there is respect with Fisher and again the pipe is that Phil is guiding and mentoring him as needed like Riles with Spoelstra.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby 432J on Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:34 am

if dwight is smart he'll tell the FO that it's either him or dan tony

that way they'll axe dan tony ASAP
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby ChumsGum on Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:40 am

Byron Scott will be the Laker coach eventually. If not soon, then later.

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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby GoldenKnight on Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:19 am

I would welcome Byron Scott :jam2:
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:42 am

I just don't see how they stand pat with this roster given the tax implications given this new CBA. That doesn't make sense. I would think they would amnesty Gasol before they paid such steep luxury taxes especially given this team isn't anything near a championship team.

As for Scott, I'm on the fence. I know he's been given 2 head coaching positions where he's been ousted. Given the situation in Cleveland, it's incredibly hard to win with that roster & without Kyrie it is even more difficult. WTS, I wouldn't mind a change; I just don't see Scott being the right fit for this franchise moving forward...
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby therealdeal on Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:45 am

I'm not sure Scott would be a great fit here, but one thing is certain: he's better than D'Antoni.

He'll have the team playing some defense at least.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:49 am

therealdeal wrote:I'm not sure Scott would be a great fit here, but one thing is certain: he's better than D'Antoni.

He'll have the team playing some defense at least.


Cleveland was the 26th ranked or lower team in defense during his tenure there.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:50 am

If not Phil (talks of him joining up with Jordan in Charlotte), then I would go with JVG or SVG.

If not them, then Scott would be a welcoming sight. He and Kobe are super close and I'm sure he has no problem putting Kobe in his place (ie take a seat...no seriously, take a seat). Another element to a Scott hiring is that maybe Kobe stays on longer and doesn't use this last season as a farewell tour.

So if LA goes the Scott route, I like the immediate possibilities as well as our future projections.

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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby therealdeal on Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:51 am

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therealdeal wrote:I'm not sure Scott would be a great fit here, but one thing is certain: he's better than D'Antoni.

He'll have the team playing some defense at least.


Cleveland was the 26th ranked or lower team in defense during his tenure there.

Not hard when you're playing with D-League level talent.

The Nets were alright defensively and so were the Hornets. Better than what we've seen under D'Antoni. That's all I'm sayin'.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby gcclaker on Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:05 am

Vasashi17 wrote:If not Phil (talks of him joining up with Jordan in Charlotte), then I would go with JVG or SVG.

If not them, then Scott would be a welcoming sight. He and Kobe are super close and I'm sure he has no problem putting Kobe in his place (ie take a seat...no seriously, take a seat). Another element to a Scott hiring is that maybe Kobe stays on longer and doesn't use this last season as a farewell tour.

So if LA goes the Scott route, I like the immediate possibilities as well as our future projections.

Seriously...ATGROMDA

Scott would... When he was coach of New Orleans, I recall an exchange between he and Paul about the same thing. It was a tight game in the playoffs against Dallas where Scott felt Paul was running out of steam. The latter begged to stay in but Scott cooly motioned him to the pine. Scott is a no nonsense coach who does not tolerate foolishness given his past run-ins with Baron Davis and J.R. Smith. Would he clash with Howard? Not sure, since D12 does take things seriously with the game in progress.

My only concern with Scott is that there are questions about him as a strategist. Anyone recall when Jason Kidd said his young son T.J. could draw up plays better?
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Center Court on Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:12 am

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LTLakerFan wrote:I like Lazenby's ideas a WHOLE lot better :disagree:



Like the one to make DEREK FISHER head coach???


Mark Jackson says hello. I would be one of the people on they yes side. The pipe scenario was with Jimmy as President, Phil as VP and Mitch still GM and everyone getting along. He would smoke Dan Tony. And Byron's NOT the coach for Dwight. At least Fish was there through the whole time with Shaq and seeing how to successfully use a big man with Zen Master available for meetings whenever. Works for me. He IS a leader.


Sounds like you are of the opposing view it's too early. No prob. :beer:


I have no problem with DFish as an assistant but even Phil just said, he is not a fan of coaches without prior headcoaching experience. His comments were actually in reference to Mark Jackson. I'd think that would apply to Fisher too.

Speaking of Mark Jackson, I'm not sure why people think he's a great coach. Last year, he was being crucified.. now that Steph Curry is a superstar, David Lee is an all star, Klay Thompson is contributing, and Harrison is a very nice young player, he is some great coach? I'm just not sold. He's a good game manager, but he basically just lets them shoot, rebound, shoot. Some defense mixed in at times.

I still think our route will be MDA + Gentry and McMill (unless he goes to Detroit).

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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby 432J on Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:34 am

anything is better than dan tony but scott would be another horrible fit

just because he's an ex-laker, doesn't mean he'll make a good coach or be a good fit
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby The Laker Link on Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:41 am

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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Finwë on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:05 am

JGC wrote:Whoever the coach is, it needs to be someone who can stand up to Kobe the way Phil was able to. Scott won't do that. And neither would Derek. They're just too close. Shaw, MAYBE, but he's not an option.

Bottom line, someone has to be able to say, Kobe sit your butt back down on that bench, you are NOT playing 48 mins per game, etc.

Why is a coach standing up to Kobe the first thing you mention?
How about ability to develop role players, or implementation of real defensive strategies suited to our personnel, or being able to feauture the bigs not by force feeding them but by actually getting them clean looks on good positions, or ability to make sound in-game and game-to-game adjustments?
You make it look as if Kobe not being controlled or whatever was such a crucial part of our lack of success, when I don't think it even cracks the top 5..
I do understand that Kobe's injury is a killer, but th excessive minutes only come when you're at risk of not making the playoffs, and there lies the real problem, how did we get in such position, what were the reasons behind it, and who would you hire to fix it?
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Finwë on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:09 am

I dont know about PJ's future with Brooklyn (which Kyler called the most likely destination):
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:17 am

Fisher couldn't stand up to Kobe? Fisher STOOD up to Kobe for 5 championships.

If you've watched the Lakers you've seen the numerous times that Kobe looks at Fisher, sticks his hands and calls for the ball. Fisher doesn't look at him and pretends not to hear him and continues to run the offense.

Fisher is all about system and execution. He had no problem deferring to Kobe when the time called for it. He doesn't take bulls*** and is a leader of men.

Fish as assistant coach until he's ready to take the reigns.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Lakerjones on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:27 am

We'll see. I don't buy into any speculation right now. I don't think anyone has the slightest clue what's going to happen this offseason. Only Mitch and Jim - maybe.

RE: the OP - I'd rather have Scott than D' Antoni. At least B. Scott is a Laker and a guy who commands some respect. Proud to say that I have met him, too.

But of course, I'd rather have Phil for a year and then one of his guys carrying it on after him. Who knows what'll happen?

I wanted Sloan last year without any doubt in my mind. But this coming season I think it's too much for him to take on. You've got a wounded roster of mostly vets past their prime, and with Nash so debilitated I'm not sure what Sloan could squeeze out of him.

Bottom line is we need some roster change and we could certainly benefit from a better coach as well. I'd like to see both things happen but I don't have a clue as to what will go down and I don't believe anyone else does either.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Avenged24 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:32 am

432J wrote:anything is better than dan tony but scott would be another horrible fit

just because he's an ex-laker, doesn't mean he'll make a good coach or be a good fit


Yep, besides we need a great PG for Byron to even be somewhat effective. He's coached Kidd, Chris Paul, and Irving. As much as I hate to say it, Nash is not that player anymore. Heck, I'd be surprised if he ever comes back fully healthy again considering his age.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:35 am

I can't even think about coaching until we get a team that can win on the floor. This group isn't a "coach" away from competing for the Division title much less a NBA title...... Coaches are important but no coach can fix our issues with a change of scheme and motivation.... that is missing but it's not going to make a difference.

If we blow it up I could see a guy like Fisher getting a shot with a team with low expectations. If we try and patch things up and sail with the leaky ship we have now it won't matter who the captain is going down with it next year....
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Avenged24 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:36 am

slimjim wrote:Makes sense to stand pat with the roster(besides coach) until at least closer to the trade deadline next season.

If he sucks next season:

Gasol's value will be at an all time high by the trade deadline based on contract alone anyways. (20 mil expiring K's don't come along often) No one is going to care if he struggles cause this will be a 100% financial move by the receiving team (except maybe Minny)

If he plays good next season:

If the team is clicking on all cylinders, fine. We make one last run with Pau/Kobe/Dwight.


We'd be better off keeping Pau at this point due to that contract. However high his contract may be, teams are not going to be lining up stars for it.. Add to the fact that it is L.A, alongside Dwight, the destination to grab a F.A becomes that more enticing. Of course, this is without Jim somehow screwing it up again.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:42 am

Rooscooter wrote:I can't even think about coaching until we get a team that can win on the floor. This group isn't a "coach" away from competing for the Division title much less a NBA title...... Coaches are important but no coach can fix our issues with a change of scheme and motivation.... that is missing but it's not going to make a difference.

If we blow it up I could see a guy like Fisher getting a shot with a team with low expectations. If we try and patch things up and sail with the leaky ship we have now it won't matter who the captain is going down with it next year....

^I think we have the unanimous conclusion here that player changes need to occur. Still I have to insist that, given less injuries and a better coach, this team would have been a 2-3 seed. A number of the games we lost were within a few points.I guarantee that less injuries and a better coach with a philosophy and ability to motivate players would have resulted in ~10 more wins....a 3 seed.

That being said, you kind of need a coach/philosophy before you get the players. We made the mistake this year of getting players and THEN choosing a new coach/philosophy to "fit" the players. We saw how that worked out.

This is the order of things if we're going to really change this team

1. Re-sign Dwight
2. Change coaches

Go from there....Clark/Jamison etc
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:44 am

Roos, I get what you're saying, but I rather get in a coach and see what direction we're going in first. Then look at the roster to adjust accordingly.

I also agree with Chill. Under different guidance, this roster as is, would be in the top 4 of the West....even with the injuries.
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