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Postby bnr034 on Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:26 pm

am i smoking a bit of a pipe... what happens if Brown drives Kyrie out of the Cavs and wants to play for Byron Scott again... in the city of LA... where we could potentially team him out with D12... :man13: :man13:
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby WilliamHaven on Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:45 pm

i don't think i've ever heard of any player saying they wanted to play for byron
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Frank Dux on Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:03 pm

WilliamHaven wrote:i don't think i've ever heard of any player saying they wanted to play for byron


The only people who want Byron are delusional old school Laker fans desperate to bring in anyone with Laker ties. Unfortunately they're unwilling to look past the fact that Byron is a dinosaur unwilling to adapt to today's game, and also the fact that he's lost every team he's coached. If this guy can't manage the ego's of all the scrubby teams he's coached recently, then what makes this guy qualified to run a team with Metta, Kobe, Dwight, Nash, And Howard?
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:46 pm

Frank Dux wrote:
WilliamHaven wrote:i don't think i've ever heard of any player saying they wanted to play for byron


The only people who want Byron are delusional old school Laker fans desperate to bring in anyone with Laker ties. Unfortunately they're unwilling to look past the fact that Byron is a dinosaur unwilling to adapt to today's game, and also the fact that he's lost every team he's coached. If this guy can't manage the ego's of all the scrubby teams he's coached recently, then what makes this guy qualified to run a team with Metta, Kobe, Dwight, Nash, And Howard?


Dwight's a big guy but he doesn't need to be mentioned twice.... :man10:

I just can't care who is coaching..... The players we have won't win a chip regardless of who is coaching them. Lets get the next team in place and then get a coach that fits them rather than chasing the dream that a coach can come in here and turn the clock back 6 years....
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:05 pm

Starting PG - Nerve damage and back problems
Starting SG - Coming back from Achilles surgery
Starting SF - Past his prime and becoming injury prone
Starting PF - Knees/Feet breaking down
Backup PG - Injury prone

It's not like these problems are just bad luck due to this season (except Kobe). We are going to be in the same spot as last year if keep the roster intact. This isn't 2008 anymore and the sooner the FO realizes that the better.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby abeer3 on Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:15 pm

i think the lakers probably have to roll with the pg position. they can try to shore up 2/3/4 via trade and FA. i'm guessing pau trade and mwp amnesty combined with mini mle and vet mins could create a significant difference in the roster come next year.

nothing's going to fix the fact that kobe will make 30 million coming off a torn achilles, though.
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Postby karacha on Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:41 pm

bnr034 wrote:... play for Byron Scott again... in the city of LA... .


No. Let me repeat that: No.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Savory Griddles on Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:49 pm

abeer3 wrote:i think the lakers probably have to roll with the pg position. they can try to shore up 2/3/4 via trade and FA. i'm guessing pau trade and mwp amnesty combined with mini mle and vet mins could create a significant difference in the roster come next year.

nothing's going to fix the fact that kobe will make 30 million coming off a torn achilles, though.


Yep. Nash will be almost impossible to move. Is Toronto going to take him simply because he's Canadian? Not likely. Pau being moved for a 3 (or pipe dream - Love) is about all we can expect. Metta will be amnestied. I expect to see Hill getting a lot of minutes at the pf spot next season with Clark backing up at the 3 and 4.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby karacha on Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:51 pm

Next year we have to unload some contracts, like Pau and Metta, try to get some youngsters if possible and prepare for Summer 2014, where we have to make that big splash.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Battle Tested20 on Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:12 pm

karacha wrote:Next year we have to unload some contracts, like Pau and Metta, try to get some youngsters if possible and prepare for Summer 2014, where we have to make that big splash.

if we do unload Pau and Metta for younger players they better be expiring contracts too because if your talking about Summer 2014 plan we'd like to have as much $$ as possible to sign free agents.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby karacha on Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:13 pm

Sure, but maybe we actually get a player or two that will really gel with Dwight, players we actually want to keep.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:45 pm

The 2014 plan involves a lot of hoping and wishing that the superstars that could be available are available granted they opt out of their deals.

Otherwise it's probably smart to get the role players now, while reserving a portion of the cap to offer the max to one of the superstars if they do in fact opt out.

We would have to get extremely lucky to nab a superstar AND get a supporting cast all in the same offseason.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby therealdeal on Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:48 am

Doc Brown wrote:The 2014 plan involves a lot of hoping and wishing that the superstars that could be available are available granted they opt out of their deals.

Otherwise it's probably smart to get the role players now, while reserving a portion of the cap to offer the max to one of the superstars if they do in fact opt out.

We would have to get extremely lucky to nab a superstar AND get a supporting cast all in the same offseason.

I think the opposite will likely come into effect: if we can get a superstar NOW we do it, but otherwise we stand pat.

We don't want bits of our cap being taken up so that we can't sign REAL talent when the time comes.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby abeer3 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:58 am

yeah, i actually think the likelihood of signing a second star outright is pretty slim, even given la's general advantage in the FA marketplace. that said, the lakers need that flexibility in 2014 to take on higher salaried stars that teams don't want/can't afford. to that end, they need to be thinking about getting some high ceiling guys on cheap deals prior to that summer. they can help sweeten trade offers for disgruntled allstars.

so, any pau trade needs to return cheap youth with some upside (i'm assuming he won't return an allstar). and the lakers probably need to try to retain clark on a cheap deal. find one more young player who proves he's an nba rotation guy, and i think that the cap flexibility starts to be more powerful. without any talent to offer in addition to money, you're treading water (see the dallas mavericks this year and last).

the main reason the rockets got harden was that they dealt lowry (really their best player at the time) for what projected to be a high draft pick. i look for the lakers to try the same with pau. the cavs were looking to get lamarcus aldridge using tristan thompson, dion waiters, and more. maybe the lakers can get one of those two plus a pick or two? that kind of thing can help hasten the rebuild.

all of this is assuming dwight stays, btw. if he doesn't, that may alter my ideas a bit.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:36 am

therealdeal wrote:I think the opposite will likely come into effect: if we can get a superstar NOW we do it, but otherwise we stand pat.

We don't want bits of our cap being taken up so that we can't sign REAL talent when the time comes.


This is who we can sign outright in 2014....

PG - Sessions,Ridnour
SG - Sefolosha
SF - Deng, Granger
PF - Hawes
C - Gorat

This is who we can sign if we give a QO and need the other team to decline....

PG - Bradley, Bledsoe, Vasquez, Wall
SG - Turner, Hayward
SF - Paul George
PF - Sanders, Patterson, Monroe, Favors, Davis
C - Cousins

This is who we need to pray opt out......

SF - Gay, Lebron
PF - Beasley

The players with Team Options that are REAL talent aren't going get let go by their teams so I didn't put them in there.

We have no assets to trade for the people with QO, we can't sign and trade with them, so our only hope is to overpay for them and hope the opposing team doesn't match. Add to that those teams aren't just going to let players like that walk for nothing.

2014 doesn't look as promising when you realize that A LOT of things to go our way to get the players we want.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby karacha on Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:37 am

Still, there are some nice "pieces" on that list. Useful players who are good on defense and/or can shoot (or score in general) and are not too old.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:48 am

karacha wrote:Still, there are some nice "pieces" on that list. Useful players who are good on defense and/or can shoot (or score in general) and are not too old.


I'm not denying that. My point is that we can't put all our eggs into 2014 free agency. A lot of those players mentioned we can't get without some outside help.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Vasashi17 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:07 pm

^^^ I totally agree, Doc. All or none is probably the wrong way of approaching this.

But you got to admit that dealing 19M in this NBA landscape should be difficult. You already have repeat tax offending teams probably staying as far away as possible....and its normally these type of teams that are in contention for a title. So adding that final piece to get them over the hump nearly cancels itself out if the team isn't in a large market where they can absorb a huge tax hit.

Then you have the other teams that are not in contention (and by happen stance, non tax payers) and what would they do with a guy like Pau?

Toronto and Houston are potential landing spots...but still its going to be hard to accomplish.

19M for small contract players means, that you'll be sending Pau out and taking on multiple players. LA has to make room for these players on the roster, but more importantly, would the other team gut their roster to take in one.

Swapping out large expiring contracts is possible, but would the opposing team do a Pierce or AI (if he doesn't opt out this summer) deal for Pau (as an example)?

Lastly, there is no way LA takes on a monster contract in dealing Pau. The only way that happens is that they believe its a piece they can build on for the future with Howard....but then again, who would deal us a piece like that? Wouldn't they want to keep that type of player for their own team?

Trading Pau this summer should be entertained, but I find it really hard if other teams reciprocate the same enthusiasm.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Helljumper on Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:56 pm

Doc Brown wrote:The 2014 plan involves a lot of hoping and wishing that the superstars that could be available are available granted they opt out of their deals.

Otherwise it's probably smart to get the role players now, while reserving a portion of the cap to offer the max to one of the superstars if they do in fact opt out.

We would have to get extremely lucky to nab a superstar AND get a supporting cast all in the same offseason.


This 100%. I've heard some people suggest we'd be better off just letting Pau expire instead of trading him for role players that might eat into our 2014 cap space. But why? We need a supporting cast for the post-Kobe era, but we also need one now. Makes much more sense to go after 2-3 solid role players with Pau's $19 million that fit into the playstyle we'll have to move in when Dwight's our centerpiece..
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Postby Doc Brown on Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:59 pm

Vasashi17 wrote:^^^ I totally agree, Doc. All or none is probably the wrong way of approaching this.

But you got to admit that dealing 19M in this NBA landscape should be difficult. You already have repeat tax offending teams probably staying as far away as possible....and its normally these type of teams that are in contention for a title. So adding that final piece to get them over the hump nearly cancels itself out if the team isn't in a large market where they can absorb a huge tax hit.

Then you have the other teams that are not in contention (and by happen stance, non tax payers) and what would they do with a guy like Pau?

Toronto and Houston are potential landing spots...but still its going to be hard to accomplish.

19M for small contract players means, that you'll be sending Pau out and taking on multiple players. LA has to make room for these players on the roster, but more importantly, would the other team gut their roster to take in one.

Swapping out large expiring contracts is possible, but would the opposing team do a Pierce or AI (if he doesn't opt out this summer) deal for Pau (as an example)?

Lastly, there is no way LA takes on a monster contract in dealing Pau. The only way that happens is that they believe its a piece they can build on for the future with Howard....but then again, who would deal us a piece like that? Wouldn't they want to keep that type of player for their own team?

Trading Pau this summer should be entertained, but I find it really hard if other teams reciprocate the same enthusiasm.


Look at just the 19m and Pau, I agree it would be hard to move in this CBA.....

But, Joe Johnson's absurd contract got moved, Brandon Roy got 5 million dollars, Eric Gordon got a max deal, Batum got a nice multi-million dollar deal....

Don't underestimate some of the GM's in this league. There will still be bites for Gasol, it's just up to our FO to pull the trigger.

I don't really care what the deal is at this point, 1-2 role players and a pick is fine with me. But I do know one thing, I DO NOT want Pau on the roster next season. His defense is a major reason why we were so bad this year. The twin towers doesn't work and if we keep the roster the same, we will be looking at another injury riddled season with low expectations.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Doc Brown on Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:01 pm

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This 100%. I've heard some people suggest we'd be better off just letting Pau expire instead of trading him for role players that might eat into our 2014 cap space. But why? We need a supporting cast for the post-Kobe era, but we also need one now. Makes much more sense to go after 2-3 solid role players with Pau's $19 million that fit into the playstyle we'll have to move in when Dwight's our centerpiece..


Completely agree. If we get those players now, we can compete now, while Kobe is still playing. If we just wait it out, we aren't winning with this roster and we are just sitting on hopes and dreams of what 2014 will be.

Ask Dallas how that turned out.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby therealdeal on Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:32 pm

I'd say that it's in the 90% range that guys like Carmelo Anthony, Zach Randolph, Chris Bosh, and Dwayne Wade are also all available. Especially guys like Anthony and anyone from the Heat. They all know they should test the market and get what they can.

Guys like Gay and LeBron are almost a given. And if LeBron opts out of Miami, they won't be able to keep all 3 guys if they want to bring back LeBron and still field a competitive team.

And no we probably can't sign all of those guys or a portion, but that's why I said they'll focus on getting someone through trade, whatever that is and whatever that means. It's easier to do, just ask Houston.

Keep in mind, the allure of LA is strong. Once Kobe is out and we're cleaning house, we're going to see people wanting to come here to get some of that LA lifestyle AND to be a part of the organization.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby halekulani on Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:46 pm

wish we just took adelman instead of brown
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Vasashi17 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:47 pm

Lets say Pau gets the PRP therapy this summer that Kobe got in Germany and he comes back closer to what we traded for initially than what we've seen in these last 3 playoff showings...maybe, another team looks at that and says, we can stomach Pau at about 8-10M but certainly not 19M....well S&T. In fact, Nash will also be an expiring (I still don't understand why we gave him 3 years) heading into 2014.

The possibilities are there in 2014 cause we will be a non-tax payer starting July 1st of that summer and the more restrictive rules in regards to player movement, won't apply to us any longer.

Bron will surely opt out, cause that way he lines up for 2 more lucrative deals before he probably retires. If Bron is available and the outside possibility exists where you can pair him with Dwight....you do whatever you can to make bring that possibility inside and make it a reality.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Avenged24 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:58 pm

Helljumper wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:The 2014 plan involves a lot of hoping and wishing that the superstars that could be available are available granted they opt out of their deals.

Otherwise it's probably smart to get the role players now, while reserving a portion of the cap to offer the max to one of the superstars if they do in fact opt out.

We would have to get extremely lucky to nab a superstar AND get a supporting cast all in the same offseason.


This 100%. I've heard some people suggest we'd be better off just letting Pau expire instead of trading him for role players that might eat into our 2014 cap space. But why? We need a supporting cast for the post-Kobe era, but we also need one now. Makes much more sense to go after 2-3 solid role players with Pau's $19 million that fit into the playstyle we'll have to move in when Dwight's our centerpiece..


It depends. Trading Pau for the sake of making a trade is just not smart, especially when the trade will consist of role players. To trade Pau, first we have to see what Dwight does. Does he stay or leave? If he leaves, keeping Pau would be smart since he has shown to be effective in the post especially when he's the only center on the floor. Keeping Pau would be smart for that purpose alone because what's the point of getting role players if you don't really have that that 1-2 punch. Kobe is not going to do it by himself w/ role players.

If Dwight does stay, then you start building around him immediately by trading Pau. Although I am not so sure what we can get for Pau at this point, or how high the Lakers value him despite the contract. If there is nothing worth trading him for, then you simply keep him, and get the cap once the season is over. Depending on how strong Dwight rebounds from this season, playing alongside Dwight should entice just about anyone.
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