Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby JSM on Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:32 pm

From his chat today...

Steve Kyler of HoopsWorld wrote:Having talked this through with Lakers sources, they are gonna ride this roster to 2014 and then go shopping from there. They won’t know enough about Kobe’s rehab to make a decision in July and that is when Amnesty has to be done.


Steve Kyler of HoopsWorld wrote:Peter
Steve, Several questions: Where do you think Phil Jackson will end up? According to reports, he wants a Pat Riley-type position and I’m not sure how many teams are willing to offer him that. Also, if the LAL loses in the first round, which i think they will, do you think D’antoni will get fired? I’m a Rockets fan and would love to see D’antoni’s system in Houston. I really don’t have faith with McHale going foward
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I do think Mike D is out this summer and I think Byron Scott is likely the next guy. I would be beyond stunned if Daryl Morey hired Mike D’Antoni, they couldn’t be further apart philosophically.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby pound4pound1 on Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:47 pm

is Steve Kyler someone that usually breaks legit stories?
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Weezy on Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:54 pm

Standing pat, would make me angry or frustrated really, but I'd get it. Kobe will be out who knows how long, and I guess they don't want to give up their 2014 plan for whoever they could get for Pau. Still, I would be shocked if they didn't at least try to fill the roster with some talent, especially the bench, in a Pau trade, the Lakers don't usually concede seasons going in. I don't see how we can ride this roster anyway, Jamison is a free agent, our crap 2nd rounders are free agents I believe, Meeks has a team option (is that what it is?), we will need to make some moves even if it's only re-signing our same guys, which IMO would be dumb, and even changing those for better minimum and MLE free agents could do wonders (Dorrell Wright please).

As for Byron Scott, I don't see why we'd fire 'Antoni for another guy that seemingly wears out his welcome in a couple years. I like Scott, but as many have pointed out here, not sure he's the right fit for a guy like Dwight with his no nonsense style. I'm also not sure he's so much better than 'Antoni that it's worth paying both of them, to fire 'Antoni IMO you really have to bring in somebody that's going to bring major change. Again, I think Scott is good, but he's not a revolutionary type coach that's going to come in and make big changes, his offense is pretty standard if I remember right, and he'll preach defense without the players to play it.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Rooscooter on Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:55 pm

So... what's this guys track record on all things Lakers?..... If they are indeed going to "ride out" 2014 with this roster they are cementing mediocrity for years to come.... here's why.

If they let the big contracts expire they will still not be able to sign anyone for a max slot if they sign Howard in the off season for a max deal. So the 29 Million+ in trade value of MWP and Pau will not result in any new players. Kobe isn't re-signing for the minimum to play a few more years that much is for sure. I doubt he will take less than Howard to return beyond 2014 and if he does it won't be much less.

They don't have picks to supplement the building of a bench or team beyond second round picks and D-league trash.

Nash's money will haunt us beyond that.

So... unless I'm missing something big here..... we will still be either just over the cap with several slots to fill.... or just below it with several slots to fill.... We aren't building anything meaningful around Howard for the future that way.

2015 would be presumably a re-signed Kobe at 15M+, Howard at 20M+, Nash at 9M a first round pick at about 4M and about 10 to 14 million to fill out a roster. No potential future players.... no hope for a max slot FA and no way through trade to change that. It's obvious to anyone with their eyes open that Howard will need top talent around him to get us back up the hill to where we belong. That's why I think we will make big changes this off season rather than none. If we don't cash in the chips (Pau, MWP and even Nash) now we will loose out on the only way to get the young players we need to start developing.
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Postby Doc Brown on Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:01 pm

Not sweating it. Mitch said last year the roster was standing pat.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Armani on Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:07 pm

Eh, I don't believe it. This is just Mitch's standard response to anything, in case all the magic he's brewing with his wand somehow fails him, like the Chris Paul trade. We're not settling for mediocrity.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby 432J on Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:51 pm

no way scott is the next HC

his way of coaching will be such a bad fit for dwight. scott is old fashioned and that won't go down well with dwight. plus his teams wear out quickly
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Postby LTLakerFan on Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:56 pm

I like Lazenby's ideas a WHOLE lot better :disagree:
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Postby karacha on Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:04 pm

Byron. Scott.

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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby Chillbongo on Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:21 pm

LTLakerFan wrote:I like Lazenby's ideas a WHOLE lot better :disagree:
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Postby slimjim on Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:46 pm

Makes sense to stand pat with the roster(besides coach) until at least closer to the trade deadline next season.

If he sucks next season:

Gasol's value will be at an all time high by the trade deadline based on contract alone anyways. (20 mil expiring K's don't come along often) No one is going to care if he struggles cause this will be a 100% financial move by the receiving team (except maybe Minny)

If he plays good next season:

If the team is clicking on all cylinders, fine. We make one last run with Pau/Kobe/Dwight.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby lakersyunowin on Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:55 pm

b scott? meh. we need to stop with the mediocre/lateral coach moves. if there's even a 0.0001% chance of phil, we need to go for it. i hear he's itching to return to basketball in some form or another. better to have hired phil and lost, than to have never hired phil at all.

otherwise, we need to step our game up and make a good coaching hire for once from whoever else is available. the whole mike brown/mike d'antoni thing still makes me vomit in my mouth.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby lotus on Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:16 pm

If D12 is smart, he bails to Houston. The Lakers have too much uncertainty.
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Postby Rooscooter on Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:37 pm

lotus wrote:If D12 is smart, he bails to Houston. The Lakers have too much uncertainty.


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Postby LTLakerFan on Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:20 pm

Peanut butter sandwiches....




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Postby therealdeal on Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:19 pm

lotus wrote:If D12 is smart, he bails to Houston. The Lakers have too much uncertainty.

:man10: :man10: :man10:

1. If he's smart he takes the extra 30 million guaranteed dollars in his NBA contract.
2. If he's smart he stays in LA for the absolutely ridiculous marketing opportunities, business opportunities, and life opportunities.
3. What's so stable about him in Houston compared to LA? Does Harden/Lin give him more chance to win than anything here? In a season where we didn't have our starting 5 for more than 30 games we ended up with a better record than them.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby OX1947 on Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:41 pm

If Dwight stays, better get him some shooters. Otherwise, his game goes to crap in terms of winning titles.
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Postby Center Court on Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:03 am

LTLakerFan wrote:I like Lazenby's ideas a WHOLE lot better :disagree:



Like the one to make DEREK FISHER head coach???
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby jlkr on Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:41 am

D12 in Houston not a bad idea for him. Superstar 2 with Superstar center is a winning formula. Harden & Howard might not quite be Kobe & Shaq, but not that far off either.
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Postby kenzo on Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:05 am

Waiting for @JeffGoldblum to confirm this :man9:
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Postby noobiew on Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:30 am

Seriously I don't mind Byron Scott, he is my third choice if Phil and Shaw are not available. I think he's still a better coach than D'Antoni.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby lakersin4 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:38 am

I don't know if the whole Phil thing is possible but if Rambis would be willing to come back as defensive assistant that could be a step in the right direction. I'm not a fan of Shaw without Phil on board & I'll pass on Byron Scott, I don't think he's much different than MDA.. He can make your PG's overachieve & doesn't bring much else.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby lakersin4 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:50 am

jlkr wrote:D12 in Houston not a bad idea for him. Superstar 2 with Superstar center is a winning formula. Harden & Howard might not quite be Kobe & Shaq, but not that far off either.

It's not a bad idea for him in the short term & I think he could contend with Harden, but I think he knows he can win here too. More than that, I think he likes the idea of winning in LA. He sees the statues, jerseys & banners hanging in the rafters. He seems to be embracing Kobe pushing him to be great. Plus he probably stands to make quite a bit more on his Adidas deal in LA than he would in Houston. He might lose 100M with that 1 deal alone, since it's a rumored 350M deal if it's in LA or NY. Not to mention the 30M & extra year we can offer. Who's going to walk away from all of that? Not to mention turning his back on another fanbase when he's still repairing his image. Dwight is signing with us, not a doubt in my mind.
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:31 am

I highly doubt we are going to stand pat ... but there are too many changes to do if we want to build a real contender ... something unrealistic with our current situation ( "caped out' and no draft picks ) ...

Next season is going to be the same as the current one : early playoffs exit ...
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Re: Steve Kyler: LA will stand pat w/ roster, Scott replaces MDA

Postby abeer3 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:56 am

therealdeal wrote:
lotus wrote:If D12 is smart, he bails to Houston. The Lakers have too much uncertainty.

:man10: :man10: :man10:

1. If he's smart he takes the extra 30 million guaranteed dollars in his NBA contract.
2. If he's smart he stays in LA for the absolutely ridiculous marketing opportunities, business opportunities, and life opportunities.
3. What's so stable about him in Houston compared to LA? Does Harden/Lin give him more chance to win than anything here? In a season where we didn't have our starting 5 for more than 30 games we ended up with a better record than them.


this.

the one the lost amidst all the fawning over houston's "potential" is that the lakers, in their worst season perhaps ever, finished 7th. houston had a dream season by their recent standards and finished 8th. la's got a much better track record in terms of building winners. houston has a theory of building winners with zero results since olajuwon left.

kobe's injury casts some doubt in my mind as to howard's return, but i'm still about 90% sure he's not crazy enough to take less money to play with harden and not much else. worst case scenario in la, he still gets to play with gasol and nash and only has to wait a year to reload. in houston, they'd be pretty much set with that roster for the foreseeable future, which would mean he'd have to believe they had a legit shot at winning the title NEXT season in order to be eager to jump there. i find that hard to believe.

as for the general subject of the thread, i'd like scott to replace mda. and while i wouldn't be excited about returning the roster, i see why they'd consider it. the team finished with the 2nd best record in the conference over the last half of the season. it wasn't pretty, but it was starting to work. if you can't get a good return on a pau trade this summer, why not just try it all again and hope for some health? it beats killing cap space for mediocre players and low picks.

as for roo's sour predictions for what can be done with that space: it hinges on kobe staying and demanding a ton of cash. if he does, that could be a problem. but i think if he's not the same guy, he won't demand big money. and if he is the same guy, he'll be worth the money, so it's not that big of a losing proposition.
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