Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

LakerFan1980 · by **LakerFan1980** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:13 pm

We expect a 38 year old with a bum leg (whose best game is to run and gun) to help us? What about point guard on defense? We're in trouble! The Lakers need to seriously upgrade the point guard spot.

Ariza3 · by **Ariza3** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:15 pm

Were not getting rid of Pau without seeing him with Nash. What we need is a good PG who can defend,create for himself aswell as others, and shoot well.

Delonte would be perfect. Keep Duhon, cut your losses with Morris, and play Delonte until Nash is back. All we need is someone who can defend well enough and do something that the defense has to react to. If i were defending Duhon or Morris all you have to do it stay in front of them. Dont need to expend ANY energy bc everytime they'll give up the ball or turn it over after barely any pressure. Then blow buy them on the other end everytime. Delonte could fix that and really play well with Jamison and Meeks when you think of the big picture down the road this season

last stand · by **last stand** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:16 pm

delonte west should have been signed the minute he was cut. morris is never going to be anything and duhon is ok in rotation not starting.

what's sessions up to, he'd succeed in this system

hill for sessions, sign delonte west, slide kobe to SF, start west at SG. now we are talking

Ariza3 · by **Ariza3** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:47 pm

sessions is too valuable to the bobcats. hes playing very well there. Delonte seems to be the only guy bc were not trading Pau yet (without seeing him with nash) and have no other assets to give up

dwighthowardsdad · by **dwighthowardsdad** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:52 pm

We're at a 15 man roster, right? So, somebody has to be cut. I wouldn't mind if Morris was cut and we signed Delonte. Delonte can backup Nash and we can place Duhon as the third string. That would make more sense from a depth standpoint.

The good thing about Delonte is he can play the 1/2, guard both positions effectively, and I think play an MDA system effectively. He's a solid backup.

Rooscooter · by **Rooscooter** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:25 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
D.B. Cooper wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Is it just me or is this starting to look like Malone and 2004 again......

Just you

How bout now?.....

....or now....

khmrP · by **khmrP** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:30 pm

take your time Nash, not like you gona help improve the horrible D any

lakersin4 · by **lakersin4** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:36 pm

I don't see Delonte as possible. One of the main problems with this team is chemistry.. The pieces don't work together at all.. Bringing in new players isn't going to help at all in that regard. The only way I see us really shaking up the roster is if it's a no brainer. If Pau for Love or Granger or West becomes possible, sure, we'll shake things up. Maybe a small deal for bench players that's also cuts dead weight ala the Ariza trade etc. Their focus is going to be on getting the guys playing together, & rightfully so. 2 more weeks with no Nash isn't going to kill our season. Remember, this is his system. D'antoni has already said he's putting the ball in his hands when he gets back.. This is why the guy got the job. It certainly wasn't because of his great fit with the rest of the roster. Nash will figure it out, have faith people.

cthroatgtr · by **cthroatgtr** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:15 am

Put it this way. Even Smush was better than Morris. I really wanted to like Morris but I have given up. Way too stupid to play PG in the NBA. Dump Morris & Ebanks and sign West and CDR.

snackdaddy · by **snackdaddy** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:58 am

Texas Lakers Fan wrote:Well in all likelihood we won't see Nash until 2013. Well that's if the world doesn't end.

Sure feels like the Laker world is ending. :man6:

abeer3 · by **abeer3** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:48 am

Rooscooter wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
D.B. Cooper wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Is it just me or is this starting to look like Malone and 2004 again......

Just you

How bout now?.....

....or now....

i was with you on this from day 1. malone wasn't the best player on the '04 team, but he was the most indispensable. i think nash is the same way.

DarthRekal · by **DarthRekal** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:52 am

abeer3 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
D.B. Cooper wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Is it just me or is this starting to look like Malone and 2004 again......

Just you

How bout now?.....

....or now....

i was with you on this from day 1. malone wasn't the best player on the '04 team, but he was the most indispensable. i think nash is the same way.

no becuase it happened in REVERSE... its the ANTI MALONE.. :man10:

(delusional :man6:

)

432J · by **432J** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:07 am

last stand wrote:delonte west should have been signed the minute he was cut. morris is never going to be anything and duhon is ok in rotation not starting.

what's sessions up to, he'd succeed in this system

hill for sessions, sign delonte west, slide kobe to SF, start west at SG. now we are talking

sessions signed with charlotte because he choked in the playoffs and didn't want to play in LA where he'd face tons of pressure all season long

and you think he'd want to come here NOW?! where the pressure is 500x higher?
:man10:

frankrj · by **frankrj** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:45 am

Nerve damage does not heal quickly. It depends on how deep it is. Steve has back problems. I have back problems and got sciatica or herniated disk. You still feel that nerve and intense pain like no other. It's worse than wisdom teeth being pulled. Give him a break and let him heal. Even with Steve they Lakers lost all pre-season games and his 1st Reg. season game. Defensive breakdown are killing the Lakers. They could have won at least 5 to 6 more games but blew them in the last qtr. It'll turn around. Expect 2nd half of season to be really good. It could be Kobe's best ring and accomplishment by overcoming this.

Lakerjones · by **Lakerjones** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:55 am

Bad news. I thought they were just conjecturing about there being some possible nerve damage not that there is nerve damage.

Wow, I guess this is now truly becoming reminiscent of Malone like others said. Just a fracture couldn't compare to the ligament tear that Malone suffered, IMO. But now . . . things are getting worse for Steve. Not good.

Morris isn't cutting it any more at backup PG. I think we need to do something roster-wise to get some help. Duhon is ok to start, but we need somebody better than Morris playing behind him.

dwighthowardsdad · by **dwighthowardsdad** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:59 am

After taking some time to think about it, I don't even like Duhon starting; although, right now, we have no choice. We need Nash back healthy and a reliable backup (West) and Duhon. Those are three point guards who you can play in a pinch I would roll with the rest of the season: Nash, Duhon, and West. Until Nash gets back, heck, start Duhon bring Delonte off the bench and leave Morris as a DNP...

last stand · by **last stand** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:06 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
D.B. Cooper wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Is it just me or is this starting to look like Malone and 2004 again......

Just you

How bout now?.....

....or now....

To be fair we actually brought Malone back to play. Haven't done that with Nash, yet anyways. Maybe they learn from their mistakes and let him get 100% before he returns

Chillbongo · by **Chillbongo** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:15 pm

lotus wrote:
Janine Garcia wrote:I dunno I feel like that USA article is old lol maybe. they could have interviewed him days ago

It just feels that way.

What's really a downer about these setbacks is that it prolongs the wait to see if Nash can revive Gasol's career. I think we need to know asap because if he can't then we need to trade Pau and mesh in the new pieces to salvage any hopes for a playoff run.

Revive Gasol's career?

No Nash won't do that. Because Gasol's career has been spent on the block.

You want a "revival" for Gasol's career?

Put him on the block. Play Dwight off the block.

Did you people not watch the Lakers before 2011?

Nash makes everyone better. But you will not see Pau being Pau if he don't own the paint.

Doc Brown · by **Doc Brown** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:11 pm

Have you seen Pau play on the block since the playoff series vs. the Hornets?

I feel like some people just go with what everyone in the media is saying, put Pau on the block, put Pau on the block. Well Pau has had chances on the block, he's ran from even more chances on the block, he hasn't come anywhere close to dominating on the block.

Faried / Harrington / Ibaka / Landry....etc.....hell he has Parsons on the block this year and shot a fadeaway.

Chillbongo · by **Chillbongo** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:19 pm

^

How often was Bynum on the block during that playoff series? Was the offense in the post run through Pau or Bynum more in/since that series?

How many minutes of offense did Pau spend on the block, with the offense running through him since that series?

The answers to these questions coincide with what "the media" means about Pau and the block.

Running about 3 plays a game with Pau down low is not what people mean when they say "put Pau on the block".

You really expect the dude to shoot ten 15+ footers a night, then get 3 feeds inside the paint and suddenly have groove/rhythm as if he's been beasting there all game?

Basketball is far more than x's and o's......praying folks will realize this.

jhalp · by **jhalp** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:50 pm

Sign West to a 10-day, see how he does. Sign him for the rest of the season as our back up pg if does well. Cut him if he loses it and breaks down. Simple. Just rent him for the next several games.

Lakerjones · by **Lakerjones** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:56 pm

jhalp wrote:Sign West to a 10-day, see how he does. Sign him for the rest of the season as our back up pg if does well. Cut him if he loses it and breaks down. Simple. Just rent him for the next several games.

^^ This is a good idea. Gotta cut someone though because we have no open roster space. Gonna have to let DJO go to do it. I'm done with Morris but he's obviously got some supporters in the FO or else he wouldn't have that contract. DJO's in the D league so he's expendable.

If Nash is out permanently or even semi-permanently we are going to need someone who is at least somewhat athletic and has some skills. West is a two way player which is needed at the position. He'd be better than anyone we currently have in that department.

We should make this happen. Nash's outlook isn't great and he's at least out for two more weeks and likely more.

jhalp · by **jhalp** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:21 pm

Lakerjones wrote:
jhalp wrote:Sign West to a 10-day, see how he does. Sign him for the rest of the season as our back up pg if does well. Cut him if he loses it and breaks down. Simple. Just rent him for the next several games.

^^ This is a good idea. Gotta cut someone though because we have no open roster space. Gonna have to let DJO go to do it. I'm done with Morris but he's obviously got some supporters in the FO or else he wouldn't have that contract. DJO's in the D league so he's expendable.

If Nash is out permanently or even semi-permanently we are going to need someone who is at least somewhat athletic and has some skills. West is a two way player which is needed at the position. He'd be better than anyone we currently have in that department.

We should make this happen. Nash's outlook isn't great and he's at least out for two more weeks and likely more.

I forgot we had to cut someone to make this happen. But at this point, we need to. I would say it comes down to morris, djo, or clark. If we didnt have 4 point gaurds already I would say clark. But it will prob have to be morris. He had his chance and blew it.

Lakerjones · by **Lakerjones** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:26 pm

jhalp wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:
jhalp wrote:Sign West to a 10-day, see how he does. Sign him for the rest of the season as our back up pg if does well. Cut him if he loses it and breaks down. Simple. Just rent him for the next several games.

^^ This is a good idea. Gotta cut someone though because we have no open roster space. Gonna have to let DJO go to do it. I'm done with Morris but he's obviously got some supporters in the FO or else he wouldn't have that contract. DJO's in the D league so he's expendable.

If Nash is out permanently or even semi-permanently we are going to need someone who is at least somewhat athletic and has some skills. West is a two way player which is needed at the position. He'd be better than anyone we currently have in that department.

We should make this happen. Nash's outlook isn't great and he's at least out for two more weeks and likely more.

I forgot we had to cut someone to make this happen. But at this point, we need to. I would say it comes down to morris, djo, or clark. If we didnt have 4 point gaurds already I would say clark. But it will prob have to be morris. He had his chance and blew it.

I'd love to drop Morris but I think if it were anyone it would be DJO because he's in the D league. Morris seems to have some support both in the coaching staff and FO for whatever reason.

But yeah, I think we need West here right now.

odom1year · by **odom1year** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:46 pm

Nash's defense will kill Lakers badly.

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