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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby Lakerfantilidie on Sun Dec 23, 2012 3:40 pm

I'd like to see him a little more aggressive on offense. I thought he was deferring to others too much and should've got a few more shot attemtps up.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby borri on Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:11 pm

While Nash is ideal for Antoni's offense, he would have also been ideal for the TRI under PJ. Under PJ I am 100% sure PJ would demand that Nash shoot more.

Nothing is gonna change my mind that not hiring PJ was the wrong thing to do. We have the IDEAL personnel for the TRI. D12 would flourish under the "Shaq TRI". Nash would flourish as a shooter. Hill would get ALOT more PT. etc.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:21 pm

borri wrote:While Nash is ideal for Antoni's offense, he would have also been ideal for the TRI under PJ. Under PJ I am 100% sure PJ would demand that Nash shoot more.

Nothing is gonna change my mind that not hiring PJ was the wrong thing to do. We have the IDEAL personnel for the TRI. D12 would flourish under the "Shaq TRI". Nash would flourish as a shooter. Hill would get ALOT more PT. etc.

With Phil, we would have depended on Pau much more than Nash. If we're going to depend on either of them to play at a level that wins us games, I think we made the right hire.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby Helljumper on Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:23 pm

Someone mentioned it already, but one of my favorite parts of Nash's game I noticed last night was the off-ball screens. I don't know if it's just that we were actually running set plays, or if Nash was just picking up on things on his own, but his off-ball screens led the other players to create some awesome movement.

I think some fans need to get their expectations in check though. I heard Rambis say that 12 points and 9 assists was a sub-par game for Nash ... No it's not. Nash isn't going to take many shots, and he will defer to Kobe's playmaking at times. I thought we had a great balance of Nash running the offense and allowing the ball to run through others. It just didn't look too good because Kobe was missing so many shots.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby pound4pound1 on Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:46 pm

Helljumper wrote:Someone mentioned it already, but one of my favorite parts of Nash's game I noticed last night was the off-ball screens. I don't know if it's just that we were actually running set plays, or if Nash was just picking up on things on his own, but his off-ball screens led the other players to create some awesome movement.

I think some fans need to get their expectations in check though. I heard Rambis say that 12 points and 9 assists was a sub-par game for Nash ... No it's not. Nash isn't going to take many shots, and he will defer to Kobe's playmaking at times. I thought we had a great balance of Nash running the offense and allowing the ball to run through others. It just didn't look too good because Kobe was missing so many shots.



couldn't agree more...i rewatched the game earlier and some of those picks that Nash set gave the team so many easy looks...the dude knows how to play the game
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby davriver290 on Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:49 pm

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Helljumper wrote:Someone mentioned it already, but one of my favorite parts of Nash's game I noticed last night was the off-ball screens. I don't know if it's just that we were actually running set plays, or if Nash was just picking up on things on his own, but his off-ball screens led the other players to create some awesome movement.

I think some fans need to get their expectations in check though. I heard Rambis say that 12 points and 9 assists was a sub-par game for Nash ... No it's not. Nash isn't going to take many shots, and he will defer to Kobe's playmaking at times. I thought we had a great balance of Nash running the offense and allowing the ball to run through others. It just didn't look too good because Kobe was missing so many shots.



couldn't agree more...i rewatched the game earlier and some of those picks that Nash set gave the team so many easy looks...the dude knows how to play the game


That was what caught my attention. It looked like we were running offensive sets, but I'm sure Nash was just running around screening others. He is one smart cookie. (Mad man crush)
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby borri on Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:45 pm

lakersin4 wrote:
borri wrote:While Nash is ideal for Antoni's offense, he would have also been ideal for the TRI under PJ. Under PJ I am 100% sure PJ would demand that Nash shoot more.

Nothing is gonna change my mind that not hiring PJ was the wrong thing to do. We have the IDEAL personnel for the TRI. D12 would flourish under the "Shaq TRI". Nash would flourish as a shooter. Hill would get ALOT more PT. etc.

With Phil, we would have depended on Pau much more than Nash. If we're going to depend on either of them to play at a level that wins us games, I think we made the right hire.


How so? The focus will be on Kobe and D12. Stop thinking about the Lakers pre- good Bynum. That was the last time Pau was any good. PJ gradually went away from Pau and allowed the offense to focus more on Bynum.

With D12 here, no way in hell PJ would put the focus on Pau when we still have Kobe AND D12. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if PJ started Hill and made Pau the 6th man.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby trodgers on Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:12 pm

hdtvset wrote:When was the last time you seen Kobe was this open in such of tight game or any game? Check out the 2:27 in the overtime. It happened again later in the overtime but Kobe missed the shot. Nash and Howard got so much attention that the Warriors forgot about Kobe. :jam2:

The 2:27 was drawn up by d'Antoni, believe it or not.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby Lakeshow24 on Sun Dec 23, 2012 6:19 pm

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hdtvset wrote:When was the last time you seen Kobe was this open in such of tight game or any game? Check out the 2:27 in the overtime. It happened again later in the overtime but Kobe missed the shot. Nash and Howard got so much attention that the Warriors forgot about Kobe. :jam2:

The 2:27 was drawn up by d'Antoni, believe it or not.


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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby 432J on Sun Dec 23, 2012 8:55 pm

lakersin4 wrote:
borri wrote:While Nash is ideal for Antoni's offense, he would have also been ideal for the TRI under PJ. Under PJ I am 100% sure PJ would demand that Nash shoot more.

Nothing is gonna change my mind that not hiring PJ was the wrong thing to do. We have the IDEAL personnel for the TRI. D12 would flourish under the "Shaq TRI". Nash would flourish as a shooter. Hill would get ALOT more PT. etc.

With Phil, we would have depended on Pau much more than Nash. If we're going to depend on either of them to play at a level that wins us games, I think we made the right hire.

it still amazes me how some of you think that hiring dan tony was the right move instead of phil

that is all i will say about that
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby The Rock on Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:26 pm

432J wrote:
lakersin4 wrote:
borri wrote:While Nash is ideal for Antoni's offense, he would have also been ideal for the TRI under PJ. Under PJ I am 100% sure PJ would demand that Nash shoot more.

Nothing is gonna change my mind that not hiring PJ was the wrong thing to do. We have the IDEAL personnel for the TRI. D12 would flourish under the "Shaq TRI". Nash would flourish as a shooter. Hill would get ALOT more PT. etc.

With Phil, we would have depended on Pau much more than Nash. If we're going to depend on either of them to play at a level that wins us games, I think we made the right hire.

it still amazes me how some of you think that hiring dan tony was the right move instead of phil

that is all i will say about that


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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby The Rock on Sun Dec 23, 2012 10:27 pm

Helljumper wrote:Someone mentioned it already, but one of my favorite parts of Nash's game I noticed last night was the off-ball screens. I don't know if it's just that we were actually running set plays, or if Nash was just picking up on things on his own, but his off-ball screens led the other players to create some awesome movement.

I think some fans need to get their expectations in check though. I heard Rambis say that 12 points and 9 assists was a sub-par game for Nash ... No it's not. Nash isn't going to take many shots, and he will defer to Kobe's playmaking at times. I thought we had a great balance of Nash running the offense and allowing the ball to run through others. It just didn't look too good because Kobe was missing so many shots.


Thank you. And we scored PLENTY of points in the halfcourt sets. Plenty!
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby FabFourLakers on Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:55 pm

The off ball screens are key when NASH sets them because of Nash's ability to shoot the ball from nearly anywhere. If it were duhon setting the screen, no way Kobe gets that wide open. But opponents have to respect Steve Nash because if they double off the screen or help too much on Kobe rolling to the hoop then Nash is wide open for a corner 3 or a wide open 3 off a Gasol hand off or Gasol hands to Nash and he rolls and he's wide open for a dunk. Nash really changes a lot of things for opposing defenses because he IS a threat to score from almost anywhere. The guy is one of the few players to ever be in the 50-40-90 club, and with good reason. The fact that Kobe was SO wide open in OT was really weird to see....I think Kobe hesitated on a wide open 3 and I got really upset when he did that cuz he has a habit of passing up wide open shots for the more difficult shot, but I think that shot is going to be there all year as long as Nash is playing. Man I pray this guy stays healthy, I just feel so much better about the team with him running the offense...and if he can get Gasol and Dwight going, the sky is the limit for this team.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby therealdeal on Sun Dec 23, 2012 11:57 pm

Lakeshow24 wrote:
trodgers wrote:
hdtvset wrote:When was the last time you seen Kobe was this open in such of tight game or any game? Check out the 2:27 in the overtime. It happened again later in the overtime but Kobe missed the shot. Nash and Howard got so much attention that the Warriors forgot about Kobe. :jam2:

The 2:27 was drawn up by d'Antoni, believe it or not.


So he is a better coach than Mike Brown? That's confirmation.

He drew up one play so yes I think so. :man10:
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby Murdock on Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:20 am

hdtvset wrote:When was the last time you seen Kobe was this open in such of tight game or any game? Check out the 2:27 in the overtime. It happened again later in the overtime but Kobe missed the shot. Nash and Howard got so much attention that the Warriors forgot about Kobe. :jam2:

problem is kobe sometimes stops and jabs and waits for the defender instead of shooting ... like last night ... he needs to learn not to waste open shots otherwise nash's job goes to wate
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby LooN3y on Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:30 am

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hdtvset wrote:When was the last time you seen Kobe was this open in such of tight game or any game? Check out the 2:27 in the overtime. It happened again later in the overtime but Kobe missed the shot. Nash and Howard got so much attention that the Warriors forgot about Kobe. :jam2:

problem is kobe sometimes stops and jabs and waits for the defender instead of shooting ... like last night ... he needs to learn not to waste open shots otherwise nash's job goes to wate



he did ALOT last year. like you want to shoot it with a hand in your face?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby 432J on Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:48 am

i'd much rather have phil as HC coaching just the home games instead of dan tony coaching all the games

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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby hdtvset on Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:11 pm

Any update on Nash? How does his leg feel after the game?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby scissors on Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:16 pm

Nash looked good out there. I can't wait to see him against the Knicks.

Only thing that bothered me was at the end of regulation. I know Kobe wants the ball right away so he can take the last shot but I thought Nash should of held on to it a bit longer and look for a better option.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:18 pm

hdtvset wrote:Any update on Nash? How does his leg feel after the game?


I just heard on ESPN 710 about an hour ago Beto Duran report from todays light practice and talking to Steve that he said he was sore some from all the minutes and first game action back, but that the nerve sensitivity thing had not flared up on him. That sounded like really good news. Shows what kind of an athlete Nash is to be able to play that freaking many minutes his first game back after virtually no running for 7 weeks and one full contact practice scrimmage. :bow: :bow:
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby dj vitus on Mon Dec 24, 2012 7:34 pm

LooN3y wrote:
Murdock wrote:
hdtvset wrote:When was the last time you seen Kobe was this open in such of tight game or any game? Check out the 2:27 in the overtime. It happened again later in the overtime but Kobe missed the shot. Nash and Howard got so much attention that the Warriors forgot about Kobe. :jam2:

problem is kobe sometimes stops and jabs and waits for the defender instead of shooting ... like last night ... he needs to learn not to waste open shots otherwise nash's job goes to wate



he did ALOT last year. like you want to shoot it with a hand in your face?

Well, some ultra-competitive players relish the thought of making a shot in someone's face rather than making one wide open.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby Snakell Beast on Mon Dec 24, 2012 10:29 pm

I want Steve Nash shooting a little more. We could have sealed the game at the beginning of the overtime if we had fed Nash, who was WIDE OPEN, on consecutive possessions after we took the 4 point lead. So far, it looks like Nash is INFINTELY more valuable to the team under Antoni than he was under Mike Brown. So far, SO GREAT!

I was calling for Nash to get the ball on offense over the last 5 minutes of regulation and the ENTIRE overtime period. I can't wait till he gets in better shape. He is going to be a SERIOUS threat at the PG position. He could score 20+ ppg on this roster, if he wanted to. I think he should force his open shots, ala Metta, until the defense collapses to his side. Then, Dwight and Pau, and Kobe too, will get even more open shots. I am just happy that Steve Nash actually looked like....STEVE NASH. I am SO looking forward to the Knicks game tomorrow...
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby lotus on Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:28 pm

Nash is 38 going on 39. I just can't get too excited about him given his age and injury. I'm just hoping he doesn't burn out and get injured again.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:39 pm

lotus wrote:Nash is 38 going on 39. I just can't get too excited about him given his age and injury. I'm just hoping he doesn't burn out and get injured again.


It is like people don't even know who Nash is
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Playing tonight! 12/22 p105)

Postby Snakell Beast on Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:41 pm

lotus wrote:Nash is 38 going on 39. I just can't get too excited about him given his age and injury. I'm just hoping he doesn't burn out and get injured again.


Definitely a concern. He seemed fine, though. I will say this...right now, since we are improving in the midst of a 4 game winning streak, I am choosing to accentuate the positive. I want to see if we can keep the positive vibes going for the rest of the season. :mhihi:
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