Steve Nash Discussion: Retiring; Lakers Disabled Exception

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby shoe on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:28 pm

He looked old and slow tonight. Miami's trapping P/R defense shut him down.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby karacha on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:29 pm

Not good.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:31 pm

hollywood swinger wrote:
Armani wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:nash is not a starter on a championship team.


Maybe I shouldn't look at this thread after a loss. :man10:


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so does getting raped in jail... both are wrong.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Scnottaken on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:32 pm

I think Dwight needs to keep the screen just a second longer. Seems to love to slip the screen.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby revgen on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:36 pm

Steve caught Pau's concussion tonight.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Jellincon on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:39 pm

Was rendered ineffective tonight. Was sort of exposed in terms of his effectiveness without the pick and roll.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Armani on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:42 pm

hollywood swinger wrote:
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hollywood swinger wrote:nash is not a starter on a championship team.


Maybe I shouldn't look at this thread after a loss. :man10:


i know the truth hurts.


:man3:

Sorry dude, 1 game doesn't change his status an elite point guard. Just like Kobe's bad game doesn't change his status as a superstar.

... I know the truth hurts? Or something like that.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:45 pm

Steve just can't lose his defender and penetrate consistently. He really does get overwhelmed by the athleticism of the game on a regular basis on both ends. He's been rendered to just a solid starter when u consider his overall impact. He is no longer a great pg. Not in 2013. He just has way too many stretches where he's not contributing or even hurting the team whether on d or just not being able to break down a d or forcing silly turnovers. The athleticism of the game is too much to overcome.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby kblo247 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:47 pm

The last 5 or 6 sequences on a 90-90 game started well under 10 seconds with Nash just dribbling because he couldn't advance the ball vs pressure. We had 0 shot getting a good sequence as long as he had the ball, and yes it's on him that he couldn't get thru the same screens Fisher would and that Duhon got thru in the 4th

Kobe or Metta handling it that fourth were at least muscling Bron and Wade to break it and get to their spots. It was essentially bad seeing Nash need Metta or Kobe to feed Dwight in the post because he couldn't, like he couldn't feed Shaq the one time he played with a post guy in his career.

I think we should have finished with Duhon or took Nash off the ball because literally if we keep track of Kobe's shooting, which was ****, as well as his turnovers, a lot were bailouts because Cole wasn't stupid like Chalmers with letting Nash hook him multiple times to pass him by to break the press.

So literally when Cole played it was Metta or Kobe running to him, Metta made a couple drives, Kobe took some long and fading bailout shots. Nash has to really look at this tape because its worse than his spurs game closing where he couldn't get a shot off at all. There was literally no way we could execute anything when he had the ball vs Norris Cole not Russel Westbrook, Ty Lawson, or Tony Parker but NORRIS COLE. Nash is being hidden on D because he can't guard PGs, so he has to do his job which is execute the O by scoring and actually getting us into sets in a timely manner against the likes of Norris Cole
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby kblo247 on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:49 pm

Skip Bayless was right, Jason Kidd fit the needs of the team better than Nash. Kidd literally can operate an offense even today vs a press, and he could D up sgs and rebound the ball. Right now Nash is being hidden on D, doesn't rebound, can't get us in or O or feed the post, and refuses to shoot enough to compensate for his lacking D and penetration

Skip had it right, there was a reason he couldn't get out the west with talent, he just isn't that good even in his prime, especially in 2013
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Finwë on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:54 pm

Those traps after P&Rs by the Heat really disrupted his game.

I wonder what would happen if we set the same type of screens they were setting all game? (Joel Anthony's illegal screens were particulary obvious). Maybe that way we can get better looks. You know, the same thing OKC (Perkins, mostly) and the Clippers (all of their big men) do.

Either way, our execution on offense down the stretch (last 2 minutes or so) was terrible, and it starts with Nash. He needs to either find a way to get going or get rid of the ball sooner. The Heat's D was brilliant though.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby thisbjgz on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:57 pm

The Laker curse...everyone who comes to the Lakers..get worse.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby hollywood swinger on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:58 pm

puffyusaf#2 wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:
Armani wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:nash is not a starter on a championship team.


Maybe I shouldn't look at this thread after a loss. :man10:


i know the truth hurts.


so does getting raped in jail... both are wrong.

nash got raped tonight. he made some horrible passes in the 1st half for turnovers. guy only shot 8 times tonight again he is not aggressive. i thought nash was supposed to break down the defense and get D12 a ton of easy dunks this year? :man10:
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:59 pm

The Heat did a great job at defending those P&R's. They did a great job of pressuring Nash and forcing him to make tough shots/decisions with the basketball. The athleticism and quickness of the Heat seemed to bother him. If this is the case, and you see this, I'm wondering why MDA didn't adjust. This is where I do miss, Phil. The only only I have ever said that with MDA as a head coach. Phil's in game adjustments were genius...
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Armani on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:02 am

dwighthowardsdad wrote:The Heat did a great job at defending those P&R's. They did a great job of pressuring Nash and forcing him to make tough shots/decisions with the basketball. The athleticism and quickness of the Heat seemed to bother him. If this is the case, and you see this, I'm wondering why MDA didn't adjust. This is where I do miss, Phil. The only only I have ever said that with MDA as a head coach. Phil's in game adjustments were genius...


What could Phil have done? How in the world would we have stopped LeBron from going MJ?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby dj vitus on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:13 am

Armani wrote:
dwighthowardsdad wrote:The Heat did a great job at defending those P&R's. They did a great job of pressuring Nash and forcing him to make tough shots/decisions with the basketball. The athleticism and quickness of the Heat seemed to bother him. If this is the case, and you see this, I'm wondering why MDA didn't adjust. This is where I do miss, Phil. The only only I have ever said that with MDA as a head coach. Phil's in game adjustments were genius...


What could Phil have done? How in the world would we have stopped LeBron from going MJ?

Not much stopping Mr. MVP. Put Kobe on him instead of Metta? Maybe Clark? He has a little more reach...

But regardless, his Phil post was about MDA adjusting Steve Nash's role after seeing the same trap for the 35th time in a row.

I, too, complained that the Lakers did nothing about it all game long. Made Spoelstra look like a genius. Maybe his is. :man5:
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:43 am

Dissapointing to say the least ... one of the reasons he's struggling that much is our bigs can't set good screens to save their life .
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:49 am

^ James Worthy touched on that in post game show. I agree. We have to set better picks. Also, Mike D said we also have to move the ball faster. All in all Nash got bothered by the traps and no one moved enough to make them pay for it.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby odom1year on Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:51 am

Oh, guys...he just had some bad plays in the end of the game. Overall, he played fine.
As I said many time before, his defense is the weakness point to Lakers, especially at PG position. We start him only because his offensive creation. Just give him help in defense, especially he is a 40 year old man.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby puffyusaf#2 on Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:17 am

odom1year wrote:Oh, guys...he just had some bad plays in the end of the game. Overall, he played fine.
As I said many time before, his defense is the weakness point to Lakers, especially at PG position. We start him only because his offensive creation. Just give him help in defense, especially he is a 40 year old man.


well damn now I change my mind. It had nothing to do with him not beating the trap and getting the ball out. The Lakers not getting into the offense because the ball was stuck at the top for 15 of the 24 seconds. It has to be his defense which wasn't the problem.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby revgen on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:00 pm

Steve Nash postgame interview.

"We're lacking cohesion. We need to stick to the script. We defect from the script too much."
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby karacha on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:03 pm

What is the script? Can someone fill us in?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Helljumper on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:10 pm

What is this "script", he's talking about?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby thkthebest on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:12 pm

We don't know because the players are defecting from the script too much.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby charvin on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:21 pm

We must be dreaming right now and this is all a movie that he's producing :man10:

Helljumper wrote:What is this "script", he's talking about?
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