Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

khmrP · by **khmrP** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:48 am

Indefinetly would've been a better word for his absence/return.

XXIV · by **XXIV** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:08 am

lakerswiz wrote:
XXIV wrote:I'm no longer going to say he'll be back any sooner than Christmas day. Great if he does, but I have my doubts.

Nash has been so disconnected from this team since his injury it's hard to remember he's actually on our team.

I'm pretty much accepting he'll be back when he's back. Putting a time table on it only leads to more frustration.

Yea now it doesn't even appear he'll be back by Christmas day. Him coming back healthy is the biggest key to his return, and if the team can pick things up and start winning more games it'll help ease off the worry of Nash's injury.

easyguy · by **easyguy** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:15 am

Nash sure practice a lot and walk around a lot for someone who is still injured. He should just sit at home on his couch and drink a lot of milk. We dont need him at the games.

Doc Brown · by **Doc Brown** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:17 am

The day Morris gets a DNP-CD and Nash comes back for his first game, Ice Cube will be on repeat in my household.

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:19 am

Man you guys, watching all of this from afar, it's been tough to not say anything.

I know we're all disappointed and what I read when I read that report is that he's CLOSE. He's close to returning and his point is that even when he returns he's going to be out of shape so he'll need a little bit more time before he's really, truly ready to go and guess what? With this roster we should be able to hold the fort down for two more weeks. Nash is going to help and save a lot of things, but he's not going to magically give this team heart.

They've got to find that on their own. We know Kobe wants to win, but can he do less to do more? Can Howard overcome his conditioning any faster? Can he relax and have some fun out there like he was a couple weeks ago? Those two need to figure it out and they will.

We need to stay patient, even if we continue to look for answers and realize that the clock is ticking.

XXIV · by **XXIV** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:28 am

^ You know I think it'll take longer than the two weeks for him to return as nerve issues are really tricky to deal with. I've had issues with my ulnar nerve and it really effects your limb, you experience pain, numbness, and sometimes loss of strength/mobility. When it appears you're 100% and you begin working out again they tend to return and this process sometimes happens more than once before you figure out the right treatment. It's important that him and the staff are 100% certain this won't be an issue that will arise again later on during the season.

lakerfan2 · by **lakerfan2** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:30 am

All I want for Christmas is a healthy Nash and defense.

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:32 am

Well it all depends on what kind of damage or pressure or whatnot you're feeling through the nerve. Sometimes nerve pressure is painful, but manageable. Sometimes nerve pressure can put you in the hospital.

I'd really like to see what the training/medical staff thinks of his return. If they're agreeing with him, then I don't think it's crazy to think he can be back in two weeks.

XXIV · by **XXIV** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:36 am

therealdeal wrote:Well it all depends on what kind of damage or pressure or whatnot you're feeling through the nerve. Sometimes nerve pressure is painful, but manageable. Sometimes nerve pressure can put you in the hospital.

I'd really like to see what the training/medical staff thinks of his return. If they're agreeing with him, then I don't think it's crazy to think he can be back in two weeks.

From what I've gathered attempting to play or work through any type of nerve issue can affect that body part long term. There are also extreme cases where surgery is needed in order to move the nerve to a location where less stress will be placed upon it, however this is information I've received regarding nerves in your arm such as an ulnar nerve. I'm not sure whether the same applies but regardless it's a very annoying and time consuming injury.

Forklift · by **Forklift** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:49 am

ok i'm just going to not check this thread anymore :bang:

icencream27 · by **icencream27** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:52 am

I think it's time we go look for a replacement insurance pg........ Jose Calderon?

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:55 am

XXIV wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Well it all depends on what kind of damage or pressure or whatnot you're feeling through the nerve. Sometimes nerve pressure is painful, but manageable. Sometimes nerve pressure can put you in the hospital.

I'd really like to see what the training/medical staff thinks of his return. If they're agreeing with him, then I don't think it's crazy to think he can be back in two weeks.

From what I've gathered attempting to play or work through any type of nerve issue can affect that body part long term. There are also extreme cases where surgery is needed in order to move the nerve to a location where less stress will be placed upon it, however this is information I've received regarding nerves in your arm such as an ulnar nerve. I'm not sure whether the same applies but regardless it's a very annoying and time consuming injury.

Oh I agree. But I think that's been the hold up here so far. He's complained about pain like that for a while now.

My personal feeling is that this nerve issue is the last one and since it's progressed (he can at least run now although not full speed) it's just taking a while to get there. Fractures can put pressure on a nerve that wasn't there before. I think that the nerve issue though isn't so new that it'll be added time, I think it's been part of the time so far (if that makes sense).

khmrP · by **khmrP** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:04 am

icencream27 wrote:I think it's time we go look for a replacement insurance pg........ Jose Calderon?

he makes more then Nash, so do you get him? :man3:

ThizGuy83 · by **ThizGuy83** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:43 am

management needs to waive or trade a player for cash or 2nd round picks or sumthin and sign delonte west... that seems like the most realistic option

therealdeal · by **therealdeal** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:51 am

Why? Once we heal up, we've got guards coming out of our ears. Unless we can get someone to bite on Blake (I have no idea how...), we don't need West.

Duhon has earned the chance to make that spot his for a while. Nash/Duhon actually looks great from a depth standpoint. Meeks has looked fantastic.

West isn't really necessary anymore since the emergence of those two.

ThizGuy83 · by **ThizGuy83** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:56 am

duhon i have accepted should be our backup pg.. even when blake comes back... once blake comes back then duhon starting and blake back up until nash comes back... i was suggesting for them to try to get west if nash is out for long period of time or hell if it gets to that... the rest of the season... to sumhow get rid of or even waive say morris and djo and sign west... but its more of a wait till the last minute type of thing to do

basilhayden · by **basilhayden** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 12:00 pm

Nash is our new Bynum.

GoldenKnight · by **GoldenKnight** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:45 pm

Miss you man, come back already :man6:

Finwë · by **Finwë** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:51 pm

@ramonashelburne: Source: Lakers weighing other options at PG. Situation w/ Nash too unclear. Can't keep waiting while they lose.

Ariza3 · by **Ariza3** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:54 pm

He really will help this team. They're not playing together on both ends and i think Nash can fix that for the most part. On O its just gunna look so much more fluid for everyone especially out bigs who will have more PnR ball movement and less post ups which are inefficient. Him running the offense means less turnovers and a more calm offense then this chaotic-no one knows what to do-offense.

On defense it will be better from our backcourt with him in it. Obviously not on a physical or speed level but on an intelligence level. He knows HOW to defend and what to do in certain situations where Duhon or Morris make those mental mistakes. But more importantly I think it comes down to Nash ability to unite teams and build chemistry with them on the court. Its hard when hes not playing.

This team needs to unite together and play as an actual team. They need to feel the sense of urgency and need some better leadership. Kobe is always gunna be Kobe and do it his way which works for some and mostly not for others. Dantoni seems to not be able to get these guys going as EVERY game they come out slow lethargic and without a sense of care. Almost as if they think they're better than everyone and dont need to try. Nash is a leader and with his ability to make offense smoother it will intern help the D and the guy's mental state about it.

gill · by **gill** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:56 pm

As for possible PG acquisition, that makes sense. D'Antoni's offense chugs on good point guard play dominating the ball. Duhon and Morris ain't gonna cut it. Delonte West time?

Doc Brown · by **Doc Brown** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:56 pm

Finwë wrote:
@ramonashelburne: Source: Lakers weighing other options at PG. Situation w/ Nash too unclear. Can't keep waiting while they lose.

Delonte West is the only option. Call him up and let's put some hot sauce in our bag.

cthroatgtr · by **cthroatgtr** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:57 pm

lotus wrote:
Janine Garcia wrote:I dunno I feel like that USA article is old lol maybe. they could have interviewed him days ago

It just feels that way.

What's really a downer about these setbacks is that it prolongs the wait to see if Nash can revive Gasol's career. I think we need to know asap because if he can't then we need to trade Pau and mesh in the new pieces to salvage any hopes for a playoff run.

Only way to revive Gasol is put him in the post...not sure that will happen in this system

JoelMyersScrotalSack · by **JoelMyersScrotalSack** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:09 pm

Nash is probably going to try and sit out the entire season so he can escape the pressure these idiots are placing on him to go and save them.

XXIV · by **XXIV** on Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:10 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
Finwë wrote:
@ramonashelburne: Source: Lakers weighing other options at PG. Situation w/ Nash too unclear. Can't keep waiting while they lose.

Delonte West is the only option. Call him up and let's put some hot sauce in our bag.

Yep, cut Morris and lets go.

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