Steve Nash Discussion: Retiring; Lakers Disabled Exception

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby lakers_09tv on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:12 pm

Hinrick of all people roasted him today.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby lakersyunowin on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:14 pm

has not been the difference maker we all hoped he would. not even close.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby kblo247 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:18 pm

I Nash can't create for others. He gets assists but over half are accounted for by Kobe making shots, and he's going to take and make them from anyone.

The thing is Nash isn't a post feeder. He should be a post feeder. Nash should give it to Kobe or Pau in the post, even Metta and stand his [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] there like a glorified Kerr or Fisher and take 3s and hit them to he's over 20 points. It's Shaq all over again, he's exposed by the fact he can't feed or play off post up guys, and as a result it forces a team of guys who've won more than he ever has to try to spot up or be pick and roll guys.

Dwight also needs to simply be the flash, garbage put back guy like Horace Grant was or like Bynum was when we won titles. And he needs to defend PFs. Both guys talk about winning but neither has brought [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] to the table to do it this summer because they saw Kobe, Pau, and Metta and thought it would be easy which is why they haven't won [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] beforehand anyhow


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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Armani on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:21 pm

It's sad that this career will end this way. Great Point Guard, and a roster of misfits.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby kblo247 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:24 pm

Hinrich has shot in the 30s all year, and has benched most games for Nate. He has underperformed all year like a scrub. He made Nash his ***** on national tv and singled him out. Same way Lawson did, same way Curry and Jack both did to Kobe and MWP switched to them, same as Tony, same as Lin, and like Kyrie and Jennings would have had Kobe not took them.

Dude aint top 10 as a pg on O, and he is bottom barrel on D. And we have no picks, no 9 mil tpe, and a dumb system and coach all for him :lol:
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby kblo247 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:25 pm

Armani wrote:It's sad that this career will end this way. Great Point Guard, and a roster of misfits.

Ain't nothing sad about him. He's always been given talent his whole career, he's been given a system, and he chose to take money over winning when he extended with sarver

Nash just isn't and hasn't been that good enough, its why he never got all star talent around him out the west, and that's why he will never be as good as Stockton or Kidd, and we shouldn't have been here
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Armani on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:29 pm

kblo247 wrote:
Armani wrote:It's sad that this career will end this way. Great Point Guard, and a roster of misfits.

Ain't nothing sad about him. He's always been given talent his whole career, he's been given a system, and he chose to take money over winning when he extended with sarver

Nash just isn't and hasn't been that good enough, its why he never got all star talent around him out the west, and that's why he will never be as good as Stockton or Kidd, and we shouldn't have been here


I have no idea what you're on about. He's lead the greatest offensive teams of this generation for years, and his offense was great tonight. The Lakers already knew he was a non factor on D when they signed him. His talents aren't being maximized on this roster. There's not much more to this than that.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby kblo247 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:35 pm

You said its sad he will go out like this and having not won


The guy has played with Kobe, Dwight, Artest, Pau, Amare, Dirk, Finley, Van Exel, Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Walker, young Jamison, Marion who was an all star before Nash, J-Rich, Shaq, Hill, and numerous other talents. He has not gotten out the west with any of that ... That's on him.

You give Kobe talent, he's won before. Same with Shaq. Same with MJ. Same with Bron and others. Nash has choked. Even Iverson got to the dance, and Kidd led his team to b2b finals and also won a ring while running an O and defending the best perimeter guys on teams.

He's not that good. He just blew up because he was the little white guy running big scoring teams, but it didnt and hasn't won anything playing his style that maximizes him, and he's never adjusted to playing with post players let alone been well rounded enough to play D or hit the glass

That's what I'm going on about ... It's not sad, he couldn't get the job down, its on him and makes him a joke, the only MVP to never play in the finals ... Prior, point blank
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby SpencerHarrison on Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:40 pm

I think there's some merit to the Nashbashing.

The statline showed a good offensive game for him today, but watching the game I felt like I barely saw him do anything. He just doesn't seem to make much happen besides draining open shots (and I do mean open. He can't or won't create much for himself) and turning the ball over.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby khmrP on Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:59 pm

I dont feel bad for him, he wanted his cake and eat it to as you will, he wanted to get paid and he got to play closer to his family in addition to playing for a supposedly good team then as oppose to the 2 other options in Tor and NY.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby The Rock on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:15 am

He got destroyed by Hinrich on both ends. Got owned pretty badly
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby last stand on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:18 am

i see people say howard needs shooters, nash needs shooters

maybe we should blame pau and artest then. lol those are the guys who are supposed to be shooting
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:29 am

last stand wrote:i see people say howard needs shooters, nash needs shooters

maybe we should blame pau and artest then. lol those are the guys who are supposed to be shooting


Dwight has played his whole career with shooters; I know you probably know that. Nash has too. So, there is an element of truth to what we're saying. It's not a matter of blaming anybody at this point. We suck. Dwight & Nash are not without faults. Dwight's effort or lack thereof is very disconcerting; Nash can be a good team defender, but I've seen opposing team PG's have their way with him.

He's a great faciliator and use to playing with different personnel. He didn't have a bad game tonight offensively speaking. However, our defense was again the culprit which I think has more to do with not communicating/effort then anything else...
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Armani on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:34 am

kblo247 wrote:You said its sad he will go out like this and having not won


The guy has played with Kobe, Dwight, Artest, Pau, Amare, Dirk, Finley, Van Exel, Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Walker, young Jamison, Marion who was an all star before Nash, J-Rich, Shaq, Hill, and numerous other talents. He has not gotten out the west with any of that ... That's on him.

You give Kobe talent, he's won before. Same with Shaq. Same with MJ. Same with Bron and others. Nash has choked. Even Iverson got to the dance, and Kidd led his team to b2b finals and also won a ring while running an O and defending the best perimeter guys on teams.

He's not that good. He just blew up because he was the little white guy running big scoring teams, but it didnt and hasn't won anything playing his style that maximizes him, and he's never adjusted to playing with post players let alone been well rounded enough to play D or hit the glass

That's what I'm going on about ... It's not sad, he couldn't get the job down, its on him and makes him a joke, the only MVP to never play in the finals ... Prior, point blank



The team's lost this year when Kobe played great. He had Nash, Dwight, Gasol. See, I can list big names too. How can you watch the Lakers this year and blame Nash for his team failures? Coaching, defense, etc. matters. Nash has genuinely played out of his mind in the past, and his team has lost.

Also, 2007 - Spurs vs Suns was the real finals. They were the best in the league, not that joke of a Cavs team that made the finals.

But this is all irrelevant to the Lakers struggles. This isn't a Nash vs Kidd vs Stockton comparison thread. He's been legitimately elite. He's deferred to Kobe this year, and it hasn't worked. He did some of the same things in the games that this team won, and some of the same in the games this team lost.

If you think he isn't a good fit here, sure. It's not like the Gary Payton situation in 2004, though. Nothing like it.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Center Court on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:36 am

Nash can't create because Kobe is constantly hollering for the ball and Nash defers. Plain and simple. Kobe deserves most of the blame for our down fall this year.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby kblo247 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:53 am

Yeah Kobe hollers after he dribbles in place, can't get by his guy, can't execute pnr fully, and then has to throw Kobe the ball well out the triple threat area. Nsh is terrible at recognizing how to feed anyone in post position right when they have them sealed. Kobe or Metta can seal a guy in the triple threat and then have to let it go and come 20 something feet out. It's why Shaq called out his lack of knowing how to feed a real big.

Nash hasn't beat one guy off the dribble this year without resorting to hooking them like Felton and Calmers allowed, and you're blind if you say he did well offensively versus Hinrich. He couldn't get anything. It took Kobe, Metta, and everyone on the team setting picks for him. It was Like Norris Cole clamping him down all over again. The onl difference is Hinrich decided to put him on an island and bang him out Jenna Haze style for the world to see
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Lakerjones on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:54 am

I still like Nash. I'm still glad we have him and he's better than any PG we've had for years and years.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby GoldenKnight on Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:13 am

He came here to create not to stop PGs & solve our defense. He is doing what he was brought here to do.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby last stand on Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:16 am

Center Court wrote:Nash can't create because Kobe is constantly hollering for the ball and Nash defers. Plain and simple. Kobe deserves most of the blame for our down fall this year.


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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Center Court on Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:27 am

last stand wrote:
Center Court wrote:Nash can't create because Kobe is constantly hollering for the ball and Nash defers. Plain and simple. Kobe deserves most of the blame for our down fall this year.


lol no. not in the least.


So LeBron deserves all the blame when they lost in the finals because he is their best player, but Kobe does not deserve the blame in the least for this colossal failure.

As a leader, it's always on you. Like it or not. But Kobe apologetics will never get that.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby GoldenKnight on Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:42 am

^^^ Agreed, Kobe said this is his team at the beginning of the season, as the leader he should take reponsibility & somehow get his team going, that's what leaders do even when you have the weakest of followers...
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:51 am

If Nash retires, does his contract get wiped off the books or do we still get docked for that in the salary cap? This is in regards to his last season on his contract.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby dj vitus on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:32 pm

Doc Brown wrote:If Nash retires, does his contract get wiped off the books or do we still get docked for that in the salary cap? This is in regards to his last season on his contract.

I think we still get docked.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q61

Seems confusing here, but the one line that ends all discussion reads, "Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player is no longer playing or has retired."
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby odom1year on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:20 pm

Actually Nash did his part. He's doing positive things to this team.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby themasterphil on Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:26 pm

please retire, please...... :bang:
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