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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby karacha on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:47 pm

I actually have another theory: he would be perfect to split minutes evenly with a young, dynamic guy. How about that?

Edit: uh... now I read your post. Well... that.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby therealdeal on Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:50 pm

:man10: :man10: :man10:

I think his minutes need to be reduced. In Phoenix he was most effective when he was playing around 30 minutes a game, but they had some young stud behind him to really ramp up the game when he left. We've got Duhon, Blake, and Morris :man10:
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby kblo247 on Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:35 pm

Give me a garbage sig cause that's what his D, clock management vs the press, and first step are


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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby kblo247 on Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:39 pm

The Rock wrote:
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themasterphil wrote:come on just tell me one good thing Nash give this team in 40 games this season.....just one thing please??

I don't know, tell me how Charlotte's season is going. Or how Sessions looked in the playoffs. Or how that kid tucked his tail between his legs when Kobe got in his face and ran as soon as he could.

Yeah. Let's go get that kid.

I asked you a simple Q....i cant see the answer but I can see why, you cant find any good thing Nash give this team until now...me neither.....so for that fact I think its better to have young guy who can develop then old grandpa without any desire or capabilty to play on both ends of the floor.....my last post for this subject..


If we make it to the playoffs aren't we better with Nash than with Sessions? Just saying. We're still only 4 games out of the 8th seed so dont get too excited

Nah has choked with talent and is the only MVP to never get out the damn conference to get to the finals in history .... No Fisher has a bigger chance if stepping up in the playoffs on both ends and with high minutes than Nash.

This guy is no Stockton as he aged cause stock could still get by a guy one on one
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Kit on Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:39 pm

I don't understand his PnR with Dwight. Dwight is almost always trailing Nash after the PnR and Nash has nowhere to go.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Armani on Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:51 pm

Kit wrote:I don't understand his PnR with Dwight. Dwight is almost always trailing Nash after the PnR and Nash has nowhere to go.


Yeah, I keep saying it... Dwight's an offensive non factor. He's better than like, Kwame or Ben Wallace, but that's not saying much. Bosh in place of Dwight would be lighting up the scoreboard.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Kit on Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:10 pm

It is like he suddenly doesn't know how to roll. If he doesn't roll then how do you create a miss match? Has any of the coaching staff told him that?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby XXIV on Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:12 pm

Kit wrote:I don't understand his PnR with Dwight. Dwight is almost always trailing Nash after the PnR and Nash has nowhere to go.


Yea it doesn't make any sense, he also doesn't set strong screens which makes the PnR useless. You would think MDA would address this issue as it's really the only weapon in his system outside of the fastbreak.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby phoenixrisingla on Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:18 pm

XXIV wrote:
Kit wrote:I don't understand his PnR with Dwight. Dwight is almost always trailing Nash after the PnR and Nash has nowhere to go.


Yea it doesn't make any sense, he also doesn't set strong screens which makes the PnR useless. You would think MDA would address this issue as it's really the only weapon in his system outside of the fastbreak.


Howard doesnt want to P&R. He wants entry passes to the post because he really believes thats his best game. :nono2:
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:25 pm

If we want to keep Nash as a starter, bring in a pg/SG who's young and can play ALONGSIDE him, so he can't be trapped as easily. It would save his legs during the game as well, if they could split duties. Right now, Kobe splits the duties with him, which wears him down more.

I would be happy with a lineup of

Nash
Stud pg (traded for Pau)
Kobe
Hill/Clark
Dwight

Kobe at sf will save his legs, and the new pg stud can take the heavy defensive duties from Kobe.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Kit on Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:30 pm

phoenixrisingla wrote:
XXIV wrote:
Kit wrote:I don't understand his PnR with Dwight. Dwight is almost always trailing Nash after the PnR and Nash has nowhere to go.


Yea it doesn't make any sense, he also doesn't set strong screens which makes the PnR useless. You would think MDA would address this issue as it's really the only weapon in his system outside of the fastbreak.


Howard doesnt want to P&R. He wants entry passes to the post because he really believes thats his best game. :nono2:



You suck at it doesn't mean you can just abandon it, Dwight...
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby NeeJee on Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:32 pm

You'd think a huge human being like Dwight could set a decent screen. I know 40 year old dudes at my gym that set better screens than Dwight.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby NeeJee on Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:32 pm

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:If we want to keep Nash as a starter, bring in a pg/SG who's young and can play ALONGSIDE him, so he can't be trapped as easily. It would save his legs during the game as well, if they could split duties. Right now, Kobe splits the duties with him, which wears him down more.

I would be happy with a lineup of

Nash
Stud pg (traded for Pau)
Kobe
Hill/Clark
Dwight

Kobe at sf will save his legs, and the new pg stud can take the heavy defensive duties from Kobe.

Stud pg like who?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby kblo247 on Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:35 pm

With Steve Nash thier record is 5-13 and 12 - 12 without him. Low and behold, that is exactly the amount of games under 500 we are

Largely due to the fact Kobe dictated the offense without him which managed possessions, and Morris while stupid and Duhon while not impressive defend better

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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby kblo247 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:40 am

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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby The Rock on Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:51 am

kblo247 wrote:
The Rock wrote:
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themasterphil wrote:come on just tell me one good thing Nash give this team in 40 games this season.....just one thing please??

I don't know, tell me how Charlotte's season is going. Or how Sessions looked in the playoffs. Or how that kid tucked his tail between his legs when Kobe got in his face and ran as soon as he could.

Yeah. Let's go get that kid.

I asked you a simple Q....i cant see the answer but I can see why, you cant find any good thing Nash give this team until now...me neither.....so for that fact I think its better to have young guy who can develop then old grandpa without any desire or capabilty to play on both ends of the floor.....my last post for this subject..


If we make it to the playoffs aren't we better with Nash than with Sessions? Just saying. We're still only 4 games out of the 8th seed so dont get too excited

Nah has choked with talent and is the only MVP to never get out the damn conference to get to the finals in history .... No Fisher has a bigger chance if stepping up in the playoffs on both ends and with high minutes than Nash.

This guy is no Stockton as he aged cause stock could still get by a guy one on one


Not saying he hasn't gotten the job done but why does it matter what he did in the past to what hes doing now? Under Nash or Sessions or Blake or Fisher, Kobe was sitll guarding opposing PG's anyways. Listen even if hes still relegated just as a spot up shooter thats still a big deal because he can knock down an open jumpshot. That was a huge need last year form the PG spot and Nash has filled it. Defensively we haven't gotten better but thats where Kobe/MWP/Dwight were expected to pick up the slack, theyre all defensive team'ers after all but as a group from player 1 to 15 we havent gotten it done
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby DJ-RaZ-Q#24 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:07 pm

Nash: Lakers Not Committed To Vision Of Coaching Staff
Jan 25, 2013 4:44 PM EST


Steve Nash cited a lack of commitment by players in the system as one of the reasons for the Los Angeles Lakers’ struggles this season.

"We're not all committing to what they want us to do," Nash said. "We're half stuck in our own, old ways. We have to stop thinking about our pasts and ourselves.”

Nash has searched for ways to turn things around.

"I just go home at night and lie awake trying to figure it out," he said. "I keep asking myself, 'What am I not doing?'"

Asked if the Lakers can reverse course, Nash said: "That's yet to be seen, I guess. I think we have a chance. Maybe not this year. Maybe it's next year. But we have a ton of talent and an organization with great history. If Dwight stays [after this season], we have the pieces. We just have to figure out how to put it all together."

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/225790/Nash_Lakers_Not_Committed_To_Vision_Of_Coaching_Staff

Man he should stop supporting D'Antoni's system ... but still nice to see that he really cares 100% about our organization.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby karacha on Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:15 pm

Well, now we know what the problem actually is. Kobe/Dwight/Pau are probably not big fans of the new coach. Not that the last one was any better, but... they all wanted Phil, and it shows. Maybe they don't want to change to the new system, or maybe they are not able to.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:17 pm

karacha wrote:Well, now we know what the problem actually is. Kobe/Dwight/Pau are probably not big fans of the new coach. Not that the last one was any better, but... they all wanted Phil, and it shows. Maybe they don't want to change to the new system, or maybe they are not able to.

They're all extremely talented guys, they could do it if they wanted to.

But he's partially right. The guys aren't in and it shows every time Kobe isolates or everything Pau and Dwight don't hustle defensively.

Honestly I think the right answer is letting go of D'Antoni, but hey if 3 of the big 4 aren't in then why would you want to keep trying that system?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Armani on Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:29 pm

We used to laugh when dysfunctional franchises like the 'Cats or Wizards made dumb decisions. Now the joke's on us, thanks to the front office. Even the casual fans saw this hiring as a misfit.

Nash is trying to keep the team together, and it isn't happening. So is Kobe. Well, why would it happen? Everyone can see the obvious... D'Antoni might be an okay coach elsewhere, but with the Lakers? No, not happening.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:41 pm

Had a thought.

Read that Jalen Rose article.

Does Nash win a ring if Antoni isn't coaching?

Assuming they had someone better?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby JGC on Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:43 pm

DJ-RaZ-Q#24 wrote:
Nash: Lakers Not Committed To Vision Of Coaching Staff
Jan 25, 2013 4:44 PM EST


Steve Nash cited a lack of commitment by players in the system as one of the reasons for the Los Angeles Lakers’ struggles this season.

"We're not all committing to what they want us to do," Nash said. "We're half stuck in our own, old ways. We have to stop thinking about our pasts and ourselves.”

Nash has searched for ways to turn things around.

"I just go home at night and lie awake trying to figure it out," he said. "I keep asking myself, 'What am I not doing?'"

Asked if the Lakers can reverse course, Nash said: "That's yet to be seen, I guess. I think we have a chance. Maybe not this year. Maybe it's next year. But we have a ton of talent and an organization with great history. If Dwight stays [after this season], we have the pieces. We just have to figure out how to put it all together."

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/225790/Nash_Lakers_Not_Committed_To_Vision_Of_Coaching_Staff

Man he should stop supporting D'Antoni's system ... but still nice to see that he really cares 100% about our organization.


Yikes. That's an indirect jab at Kobe.

And Nash, what aren't you doing? You're not running the offense man. Granted, no one cuts or moves so there is no one to pass to outside of transition plays, but, we should feel your impact on the floor every time you're out there and we just dont enough.

Oh, and you defer to Kobe too much. He can run things when you're on the bench, but when you're on the court, everyone else is just a cog in a system.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:53 pm

JGC wrote:Yikes. That's an indirect jab at Kobe.
And Nash, what aren't you doing? You're not running the offense man. Granted, no one cuts or moves
Oh, and you defer to Kobe too much.


My thoughts exactly. Jab at Kobe. Nash not being Nash. Teammates & MDA in a perpetual state of " :freak2: "

Nash is to blame as much. Go call Fisher and learn how to ignore Kobe's calls for the ball.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:53 pm

JGC wrote:Yikes. That's an indirect jab at Kobe.
And Nash, what aren't you doing? You're not running the offense man. Granted, no one cuts or moves
Oh, and you defer to Kobe too much.


My thoughts exactly. Jab at Kobe. Nash not being Nash. Teammates & MDA in a perpetual state of " :freak2: "

Nash is to blame as much. Go call Fisher and learn how to ignore Kobe's calls for the ball.

why do i always double post :disagree:
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby kblo247 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:45 pm

There's been no catering ,, Nash is playing off Kobe no the other way around. Hes being uber Fisher, Kerr, like Ive been calling for and attacking off the havoc Kobe makes and then making his strikes. He's not a primary offense runner but he's a damn good secondary off the domino effect from Kobe initiating the point of attack

Nash losing his first step to get separation makes him unable to start the O or handle pressure, but Kobe still has a first step, he can still get his without a pick and roll. This leads to less traps, less time to advance the ball, and better floor balance. Kobe beats the guy on him , and even if he doesn't the rest of the opposing team ball watches him ... Then boom [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.], swing, swing, swing ... Nash can catch it with a team D in flux and shoot or attack and make a play, same with the bigs flashing to the hoop.

Kobe's is by far the best initiator and Dantoni and Nash have to just swallow that pride and let him be, they have to be the ones that adapt and change their ways from the past decade, not the others because their way hasn't won, but Kobe running a O has as many rings as Magic

5-13 running the let Steve be Steve and you guys adapt vs 12-12 without Steve says he needs and needed to step off the ball and as primary playmaker, he's not that guy or that good now
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