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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby therealdeal on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:32 am

Hindsight is always 20/20.

The initial signing of Steve Nash came off of a season he averaged 15/10 shooting 50/40/90 and missed only 4 games. At the time he was quite obviously still in the top tier of PGs in the league. Then he broke his leg the 2nd game of the season and was not ever the same since. He had a nice stretch until injuring his hamstring/back again.

At no point were any of us wrong who claimed that when we signed Nash he was a top 25 PG still. You were wrong.

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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:38 am

therealdeal wrote:Hindsight is always 20/20.

The initial signing of Steve Nash came off of a season he averaged 15/10 shooting 50/40/90 and missed only 4 games. At the time he was quite obviously still in the top tier of PGs in the league. Then he broke his leg the 2nd game of the season and was not ever the same since. He had a nice stretch until injuring his hamstring/back again.

At no point were any of us wrong who claimed that when we signed Nash he was a top 25 PG still. You were wrong.

Telling history to fit your tale: priceless.

i didn't say any names but are you suggesting you were one of many killing me when i said nash isn't a good enough player to be a starter on this team even when healthy?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:41 am

I did like Nash's aggressiveness. He was definitely looking for his shot. He needs to stay that way in order for us to succeed in this series. I trust he'll improve his shooting next game.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby nameant on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:47 am

Insane how good he was last season and now he's like an entirely different player. I guess the run and gun system really made Steve an elite PG...or he's just done.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:47 am

Someone is trying too hard for some e-props.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby therealdeal on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:48 am

hollywood swinger wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Hindsight is always 20/20.

The initial signing of Steve Nash came off of a season he averaged 15/10 shooting 50/40/90 and missed only 4 games. At the time he was quite obviously still in the top tier of PGs in the league. Then he broke his leg the 2nd game of the season and was not ever the same since. He had a nice stretch until injuring his hamstring/back again.

At no point were any of us wrong who claimed that when we signed Nash he was a top 25 PG still. You were wrong.

Telling history to fit your tale: priceless.

i didn't say any names but are you suggesting you were one of many killing me when i said nash isn't a good enough player to be a starter on this team even when healthy?

If you made that suggestion at the start of the season, then yes probably. If you made that suggestion sometime in the last month, then no probably not.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby FabFourLakers on Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:07 am

It was his first game back....and he had a ton of good looks...I'll give him the benefit of the doubt...there's no way he's gonna miss those same shots at the rate he did in game 1. I guarantee he'll play better in the 2nd game...and for the rest of the series. He's a competitor...he has that fire...I have no doubt about it.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Helljumper on Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:09 am

Nash isn't able to be an elite facilitator anymore. He's older. He also doesn't have the personnel to run an offense the way he used to. Our offense is stagnant. We have no shooters. There is little off-ball movement. We have two space-consuming seven footers who demand consistent post touches. These problems were made even worse since we got used to only playing through the post and passing around the perimeter during the past few games without Kobe.

He's still a very good offensive player. He was missing some shots he'd normally make yesterday. Let's say he made two more shots: one of the wide-open midrange looks he got off the PnR in the 1st and the wide-open three he missed in the third. I don't think it's too big of a stretch to think that if Nash were a little less rusty, he'd easily be able to hit a few more of his open looks.

Then we're looking at this as his statline: 21 points, 53% shooting, 100% three pointers, 100% free throws, 2 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 turnover, +7.

39 years old, coming of an injury he wasn't sure he'd even be able to play on, being thrown into a playoff game after rust from weeks of inactivity. And he STILL was very close to being our leading scorer with an efficient shooting performance and the highest +/- on the team.

I wasn't paying too much attention to Nash on the defensive end, so I'm not sure who he spent most of his time guarding, but we held the Spurs to 37% shooting. Clearly we were able to work around any defensive issues from having Nash on the floor.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:03 am

That.....that......just can't be. :man4:
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:34 pm

therealdeal wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Hindsight is always 20/20.

The initial signing of Steve Nash came off of a season he averaged 15/10 shooting 50/40/90 and missed only 4 games. At the time he was quite obviously still in the top tier of PGs in the league. Then he broke his leg the 2nd game of the season and was not ever the same since. He had a nice stretch until injuring his hamstring/back again.

At no point were any of us wrong who claimed that when we signed Nash he was a top 25 PG still. You were wrong.

Telling history to fit your tale: priceless.

i didn't say any names but are you suggesting you were one of many killing me when i said nash isn't a good enough player to be a starter on this team even when healthy?

If you made that suggestion at the start of the season, then yes probably. If you made that suggestion sometime in the last month, then no probably not.

i made that opinion after he came back from his first injury and sucked & couldn't even deal with ball pressure causing the overload on kobe which he & MDA are responsible for ( 2 phx suns has beens). it wasn't hindsight it was in the moment i said he wasn't gonna deliver. one thing i will admit i am wrong on was thinking we should explore trading D12 i was wrong about that because he has gotten healthier and shown he is the future. Nash on the other hand i was right months ago the guy is shot. i admit when i am wrong others should too.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:38 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Someone is trying too hard for some e-props.


:tongue1: you were on the nash gravy train too admit it.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:59 pm

hollywood swinger wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Someone is trying too hard for some e-props.


:tongue1: you were on the nash gravy train too admit it.


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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby TIME on Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:09 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Someone is trying too hard for some e-props.


:tongue1: you were on the nash gravy train too admit it.


The cheese is old and moldy, can I go to the bathroom?


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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby JGC on Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:20 pm

TIME wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:Someone is trying too hard for some e-props.


:tongue1: you were on the nash gravy train too admit it.


The cheese is old and moldy, can I go to the bathroom?


I don't even know what this means but I did :man10:


It's from Encino Man, IIRC.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby JGC on Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:24 pm

hollywood swinger wrote:
JGC wrote:On what page in this thread did I get bashed for saying I'd rather have Jrue Holiday than Steve Nash?

the people who bashed you for stating the truth that nash isn't a top 25 pg in the league anymore are hiding. i stated the same thing and called them out yet all i hear are crickets.


Ok, well, I didn't go that far. I just said that I'd rather have Jrue Holiday because he's younger and has more upside basically.

I think he can still be effective. I'd just rather have someone younger, that's all.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby pound4pound1 on Mon Apr 22, 2013 4:26 pm

a day after our playoffs start, it took an Encino Man quote to finally make me crack a smile
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:07 pm

JGC wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:
JGC wrote:On what page in this thread did I get bashed for saying I'd rather have Jrue Holiday than Steve Nash?

the people who bashed you for stating the truth that nash isn't a top 25 pg in the league anymore are hiding. i stated the same thing and called them out yet all i hear are crickets.


Ok, well, I didn't go that far. I just said that I'd rather have Jrue Holiday because he's younger and has more upside basically.

I think he can still be effective. I'd just rather have someone younger, that's all.


Jrue Holiday is bad. Just an inefficient chucker that was gifted an All-star appearance because of that

And this hollywood clown doesn't know anything
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Apr 22, 2013 5:33 pm

hollywood swinger wrote:
therealdeal wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Hindsight is always 20/20.

The initial signing of Steve Nash came off of a season he averaged 15/10 shooting 50/40/90 and missed only 4 games. At the time he was quite obviously still in the top tier of PGs in the league. Then he broke his leg the 2nd game of the season and was not ever the same since. He had a nice stretch until injuring his hamstring/back again.

At no point were any of us wrong who claimed that when we signed Nash he was a top 25 PG still. You were wrong.

Telling history to fit your tale: priceless.

i didn't say any names but are you suggesting you were one of many killing me when i said nash isn't a good enough player to be a starter on this team even when healthy?

If you made that suggestion at the start of the season, then yes probably. If you made that suggestion sometime in the last month, then no probably not.

i made that opinion after he came back from his first injury and sucked & couldn't even deal with ball pressure causing the overload on kobe which he & MDA are responsible for ( 2 phx suns has beens). it wasn't hindsight it was in the moment i said he wasn't gonna deliver. one thing i will admit i am wrong on was thinking we should explore trading D12 i was wrong about that because he has gotten healthier and shown he is the future. Nash on the other hand i was right months ago the guy is shot. i admit when i am wrong others should too.


He has dealt with injuries off and on this year. The first and worst was freak. Where in the hell does that not figure into your performance evaluation?? Younger players don't get injured too? Stephen Curry, Rajon Rondo and pick one or two more young guards hurt this year, saying hello. Guess they suck too. :bang: You give the impression of someone more happy to be right in your head than whether or not it impacts the team in negative way. Props! :disagree:
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:17 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:
JGC wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:
JGC wrote:On what page in this thread did I get bashed for saying I'd rather have Jrue Holiday than Steve Nash?

the people who bashed you for stating the truth that nash isn't a top 25 pg in the league anymore are hiding. i stated the same thing and called them out yet all i hear are crickets.


Ok, well, I didn't go that far. I just said that I'd rather have Jrue Holiday because he's younger and has more upside basically.

I think he can still be effective. I'd just rather have someone younger, that's all.


Jrue Holiday is bad. Just an inefficient chucker that was gifted an All-star appearance because of that

And this hollywood clown doesn't know anything


So.... Holiday is Kobe 2.0 to you.....

As for your assessment of Hollywood...... Takes a clown to know a clown.....
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:43 pm

Can you just put me on ignore already, your garbage posts are getting old
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:28 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:Can you just put me on ignore already, your garbage posts are getting old


What?...... And deprive myself of wisdom like this

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:The Lakers are a top 5 defensive team without Kobe. It's UNREAL
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:35 pm

Why would you quote an accurate statement in an attempt to make me look bad? You're only making yourself look foolish
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Rooscooter on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:32 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:Why would you quote an accurate statement in an attempt to make me look bad? You're only making yourself look foolish

The accuracy is surely debatable but that's not why I chose this one out of the many similar attempts.....
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby dj vitus on Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:03 pm

hollywood swinger wrote:because he stinks. nash and his klown coach MDA with their garbage phx suns non title glory days empty promises.

Nash shot almost 50% on the year, 44% behind the arc, and 92% from the FT line. He also averaged a full TO less than his normal average for the past 10 years... And he sucks?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby lotus on Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:16 pm

He's 40yrs old and your body can easily fail, and more importantly, not return at that age. That should have been factored in. But, with a 3 yr contract, it looks like jimmy was too focused on "7 seconds or less" redux to notice.
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