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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Always 1 more week away)

Postby snackdaddy on Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:58 am

Texas Lakers Fan wrote:Well in all likelihood we won't see Nash until 2013. Well that's if the world doesn't end.


Sure feels like the Laker world is ending. :man6:
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Comes back in 7-10 days?)

Postby abeer3 on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:48 am

Rooscooter wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
D.B. Cooper wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Is it just me or is this starting to look like Malone and 2004 again......

Just you


How bout now?.....


....or now....


i was with you on this from day 1. malone wasn't the best player on the '04 team, but he was the most indispensable. i think nash is the same way.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Comes back in 7-10 days?)

Postby DarthRekal on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:52 am

abeer3 wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
D.B. Cooper wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Is it just me or is this starting to look like Malone and 2004 again......

Just you


How bout now?.....


....or now....


i was with you on this from day 1. malone wasn't the best player on the '04 team, but he was the most indispensable. i think nash is the same way.

no becuase it happened in REVERSE... its the ANTI MALONE.. :man10:


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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby 432J on Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:07 am

last stand wrote:delonte west should have been signed the minute he was cut. morris is never going to be anything and duhon is ok in rotation not starting.

what's sessions up to, he'd succeed in this system

hill for sessions, sign delonte west, slide kobe to SF, start west at SG. now we are talking

sessions signed with charlotte because he choked in the playoffs and didn't want to play in LA where he'd face tons of pressure all season long

and you think he'd want to come here NOW?! where the pressure is 500x higher?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby frankrj on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:45 am

Nerve damage does not heal quickly. It depends on how deep it is. Steve has back problems. I have back problems and got sciatica or herniated disk. You still feel that nerve and intense pain like no other. It's worse than wisdom teeth being pulled. Give him a break and let him heal. Even with Steve they Lakers lost all pre-season games and his 1st Reg. season game. Defensive breakdown are killing the Lakers. They could have won at least 5 to 6 more games but blew them in the last qtr. It'll turn around. Expect 2nd half of season to be really good. It could be Kobe's best ring and accomplishment by overcoming this.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:55 am

Bad news. I thought they were just conjecturing about there being some possible nerve damage not that there is nerve damage.

Wow, I guess this is now truly becoming reminiscent of Malone like others said. Just a fracture couldn't compare to the ligament tear that Malone suffered, IMO. But now . . . things are getting worse for Steve. Not good.

Morris isn't cutting it any more at backup PG. I think we need to do something roster-wise to get some help. Duhon is ok to start, but we need somebody better than Morris playing behind him.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:59 am

After taking some time to think about it, I don't even like Duhon starting; although, right now, we have no choice. We need Nash back healthy and a reliable backup (West) and Duhon. Those are three point guards who you can play in a pinch I would roll with the rest of the season: Nash, Duhon, and West. Until Nash gets back, heck, start Duhon bring Delonte off the bench and leave Morris as a DNP...
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Comes back in 7-10 days?)

Postby last stand on Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:06 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
D.B. Cooper wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:Is it just me or is this starting to look like Malone and 2004 again......

Just you


How bout now?.....


....or now....


To be fair we actually brought Malone back to play. Haven't done that with Nash, yet anyways. Maybe they learn from their mistakes and let him get 100% before he returns
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Always 1 more week away)

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:15 pm

lotus wrote:
Janine Garcia wrote:I dunno I feel like that USA article is old lol maybe. they could have interviewed him days ago :man12:

It just feels that way.

What's really a downer about these setbacks is that it prolongs the wait to see if Nash can revive Gasol's career. I think we need to know asap because if he can't then we need to trade Pau and mesh in the new pieces to salvage any hopes for a playoff run.


Revive Gasol's career?

No Nash won't do that. Because Gasol's career has been spent on the block.

You want a "revival" for Gasol's career?

Put him on the block. Play Dwight off the block.

Did you people not watch the Lakers before 2011?

Nash makes everyone better. But you will not see Pau being Pau if he don't own the paint.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby Doc Brown on Wed Dec 12, 2012 2:11 pm

Have you seen Pau play on the block since the playoff series vs. the Hornets?

I feel like some people just go with what everyone in the media is saying, put Pau on the block, put Pau on the block. Well Pau has had chances on the block, he's ran from even more chances on the block, he hasn't come anywhere close to dominating on the block.

Faried / Harrington / Ibaka / Landry....etc.....hell he has Parsons on the block this year and shot a fadeaway.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby Chillbongo on Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:19 pm

^

How often was Bynum on the block during that playoff series? Was the offense in the post run through Pau or Bynum more in/since that series?

How many minutes of offense did Pau spend on the block, with the offense running through him since that series?

The answers to these questions coincide with what "the media" means about Pau and the block.

Running about 3 plays a game with Pau down low is not what people mean when they say "put Pau on the block".

You really expect the dude to shoot ten 15+ footers a night, then get 3 feeds inside the paint and suddenly have groove/rhythm as if he's been beasting there all game?

Basketball is far more than x's and o's......praying folks will realize this.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby jhalp on Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:50 pm

Sign West to a 10-day, see how he does. Sign him for the rest of the season as our back up pg if does well. Cut him if he loses it and breaks down. Simple. Just rent him for the next several games.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:56 pm

jhalp wrote:Sign West to a 10-day, see how he does. Sign him for the rest of the season as our back up pg if does well. Cut him if he loses it and breaks down. Simple. Just rent him for the next several games.


^^ This is a good idea. Gotta cut someone though because we have no open roster space. Gonna have to let DJO go to do it. I'm done with Morris but he's obviously got some supporters in the FO or else he wouldn't have that contract. DJO's in the D league so he's expendable.

If Nash is out permanently or even semi-permanently we are going to need someone who is at least somewhat athletic and has some skills. West is a two way player which is needed at the position. He'd be better than anyone we currently have in that department.

We should make this happen. Nash's outlook isn't great and he's at least out for two more weeks and likely more.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby jhalp on Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:21 pm

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jhalp wrote:Sign West to a 10-day, see how he does. Sign him for the rest of the season as our back up pg if does well. Cut him if he loses it and breaks down. Simple. Just rent him for the next several games.


^^ This is a good idea. Gotta cut someone though because we have no open roster space. Gonna have to let DJO go to do it. I'm done with Morris but he's obviously got some supporters in the FO or else he wouldn't have that contract. DJO's in the D league so he's expendable.

If Nash is out permanently or even semi-permanently we are going to need someone who is at least somewhat athletic and has some skills. West is a two way player which is needed at the position. He'd be better than anyone we currently have in that department.

We should make this happen. Nash's outlook isn't great and he's at least out for two more weeks and likely more.


I forgot we had to cut someone to make this happen. But at this point, we need to. I would say it comes down to morris, djo, or clark. If we didnt have 4 point gaurds already I would say clark. But it will prob have to be morris. He had his chance and blew it.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby Lakerjones on Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:26 pm

jhalp wrote:
Lakerjones wrote:
jhalp wrote:Sign West to a 10-day, see how he does. Sign him for the rest of the season as our back up pg if does well. Cut him if he loses it and breaks down. Simple. Just rent him for the next several games.


^^ This is a good idea. Gotta cut someone though because we have no open roster space. Gonna have to let DJO go to do it. I'm done with Morris but he's obviously got some supporters in the FO or else he wouldn't have that contract. DJO's in the D league so he's expendable.

If Nash is out permanently or even semi-permanently we are going to need someone who is at least somewhat athletic and has some skills. West is a two way player which is needed at the position. He'd be better than anyone we currently have in that department.

We should make this happen. Nash's outlook isn't great and he's at least out for two more weeks and likely more.


I forgot we had to cut someone to make this happen. But at this point, we need to. I would say it comes down to morris, djo, or clark. If we didnt have 4 point gaurds already I would say clark. But it will prob have to be morris. He had his chance and blew it.


I'd love to drop Morris but I think if it were anyone it would be DJO because he's in the D league. Morris seems to have some support both in the coaching staff and FO for whatever reason.

But yeah, I think we need West here right now.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby odom1year on Wed Dec 12, 2012 6:46 pm

Nash's defense will kill Lakers badly.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby last stand on Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:04 pm

odom1year wrote:Nash's defense will kill Lakers badly.


lol no it won't, we already aren't getting any from duhon or morris. might as well get some offense out of the point since we won't be getting defense
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby vaitimeri on Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:22 pm

I don't understand why people think Nash wont make us better. Yea, he doesnt play great defense, but neither do any of our other pgs. Nash will help our offense score, energize our guy and most importantly will lower our TOs. That, I think, will be the most help because temas are crushing us on fastbreak points and with less turnoers there will be less fastbreak points. Also, having players in position for open shots with rebounders under the rim will help us get back on defense, since we have a fair chance of getting back to the other end. He isnt going to solve all of our problems, but IMO, he will solve MANY.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby 432J on Wed Dec 12, 2012 7:26 pm

odom1year wrote:Nash's defense will kill Lakers badly.

not like the rest of the team is playing D any better
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby Ariza3 on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:04 pm

Nash is slow and old but hes a smart defender and knows HOW TO GUARD certain players correctly. He'll know how to defend his man so that if and when he gets beat, his teammates will already be in the right spots to help.

We'll see plenty of times he gets blow by but well also so a lot of smart decisions on D and his ability to attack on the break on O and put the pressure back on them. Both things our current PG's can't do.

Even Blake is better defending than what we have...I'd kill to have a Blake at PG right now while Nash is out. It would be so much better which is saying how bad it is now. Blake gets blown by or screened 3 times so he has no chance but hes scrappy, doesnt back down, doesnt give up, and plays hard on D which is more than what we have now.

Nash/Blake PG rotation will be bad defensively but way better and smarter than what we have now
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby GoldenKnight on Wed Dec 12, 2012 8:42 pm

Nash actually tried on defense in the games we saw him play, he wasn't "terrible" at it, same with Jamison...
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby Rooscooter on Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:04 pm

Ariza3 wrote:Nash is slow and old but hes a smart defender and knows HOW TO GUARD certain players correctly. He'll know how to defend his man so that if and when he gets beat, his teammates will already be in the right spots to help.


With all due respect.... are you crazy?...... :man10: Nash, over the years has been one of.... if not the worst defensive guard that plays big minutes..... He won't go through a screen because of his back issues... he's not quick enough to stay in front of anyone and has never played for a coach that valued that end of the floor.

Think of this for a minute..... Nash on Westbrook..... or Nash on Rondo.... or on D-Will....

Duhon is playing better defense at the point than we have seen on this team for 15 years..... and that's not saying much at all, that's the sad part.

WTS.... our defensive issues are less about the "on ball" defenders and more about playing as a team behind the on ball defender.... Nash will not help on the ball but if the guys behind him actually start playing that end of the floor with some pride and effort we may be able to get enough stops to do what MDA wants...... for us to out shoot our opposition.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby lakersStan24 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 6:19 am

this is like the Karl Malone Injury 2.0 smh Nash like Malone holds the keys for Us to Win the Championship
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby frankrj on Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:34 am

Rooscooter wrote:
Ariza3 wrote:Nash is slow and old but hes a smart defender and knows HOW TO GUARD certain players correctly. He'll know how to defend his man so that if and when he gets beat, his teammates will already be in the right spots to help.


With all due respect.... are you crazy?...... :man10: Nash, over the years has been one of.... if not the worst defensive guard that plays big minutes..... He won't go through a screen because of his back issues... he's not quick enough to stay in front of anyone and has never played for a coach that valued that end of the floor.

Think of this for a minute..... Nash on Westbrook..... or Nash on Rondo.... or on D-Will....

Duhon is playing better defense at the point than we have seen on this team for 15 years..... and that's not saying much at all, that's the sad part.

WTS.... our defensive issues are less about the "on ball" defenders and more about playing as a team behind the on ball defender.... Nash will not help on the ball but if the guys behind him actually start playing that end of the floor with some pride and effort we may be able to get enough stops to do what MDA wants...... for us to out shoot our opposition.


You forgot Nash on Curry, Lillard or CP3. Portland's rookie PG is proving to be very valuable . Just another thing to piss you off on why can't Lakers draft young talent anymore. Ty Lawson, Parker. Hell, even if they are the same age or speed they will beat Nash.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion (Nerve damage - 2 more weeks - pg95)

Postby frankrj on Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:50 am

Ariza3 wrote:Nash is slow and old but hes a smart defender and knows HOW TO GUARD certain players correctly. He'll know how to defend his man so that if and when he gets beat, his teammates will already be in the right spots to help.



So basically he's a smart defender like Derek Fisher is? Flashback: let's them penetrate so Bynum or another big can get in foul trouble?
And Howard gets in foul trouble. I watched Dwight while living in Florida for a year. He gets silly fouls. Nash did not win one game with Lakers in pre-season and his 1st reg season game. He is not a savior but he will help others get more shots and maybe uplift them to play harder b/c right now Kobe takes a lot more shots.
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