Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Said many time before, Nash is very weak in defense, especially he is 40 now. What we need is his offensive creation. If we don't need that, please bench him. I blame this loss to MDA. When he sees a guy shooting out of mind, he should bench Nash and put in a better defender.

Nash is 38. Will be 39 soon. He's not 40 years old.

I would feel bad for him for this debacle but he's one of the main culprits for our failures.

khmrP wrote:I would feel bad for him for this debacle but he's one of the main culprits for our failures.

Hilarious how everyone here just starts blindly picking people associated with this team to attack because they don't know who to blame

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:

khmrP wrote:I would feel bad for him for this debacle but he's one of the main culprits for our failures.

Hilarious how everyone here just starts blindly picking people associated with this team to attack because they don't know who to blame

blindly? really? his D is atrocious so Kobe has to cover the opposing pg sometimes, his O is avg. at best at times and whatever it is that he's doing out there to make the offense easier for everyone isn't there on a consistent basis. I dont see him doing anything to make life easier for Kobe, just kills clock and ends up passing to kobe for a bail out anyways. Yes he makes life easier for the PnR guys but Kobe aint no PnR 3pt chucker in the mold of bell, barbosa, etc. like Nash is accustomed to in Pho.

khmrP wrote:

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:

khmrP wrote:I would feel bad for him for this debacle but he's one of the main culprits for our failures.

Hilarious how everyone here just starts blindly picking people associated with this team to attack because they don't know who to blame

blindly? really? his D is atrocious so Kobe has to cover the opposing pg sometimes, his O is avg. at best at times and whatever it is that he's doing out there to make the offense easier for everyone isn't there on a consistent basis. I dont see him doing anything to make life easier for Kobe, just kills clock and ends up passing to kobe for a bail out anyways. Yes he makes life easier for the PnR guys but Kobe aint no PnR 3pt chucker in the mold of bell, barbosa, etc. like Nash is accustomed to in Pho.

Kobe is guarding the opposing team's ball handler because HIS off ball D is that weak. Kobe's D seemed to have visible impact for like 2 games, and then his offense faded, and the opposing team started scoring at well. Nash's D isn't worse than Blake's, and our team isn't in a better situation by allowing Kobe to guard the opposing team's ball handler. Realize that our D was just as bad when Nash was out with injury. The D doesn't suffer big time with him on the floor. We are terrible on defense, period.

It's obvious this roster is not a good fit for Nash ... no spacing and he's often dribbling in no man's land , putting himself in tough situations

I know he hasn't played many games but he has zero chemistry with the players on this roster

wcsoldier81 wrote:It's obvious this roster is not a good fit for Nash ... no spacing and he's often dribbling in no man's land , putting himself in tough situations

I know he hasn't played many games but he has zero chemistry with the players on this roster

He much like Dwight are use to being surrounded by shooters.

And this is where the Nash criticism comes from for me. Nash can't play big minutes so we can't start 4th quarters with Kobe resting and Nash with the second unit. Nash can't defend any pg, as Hinrich is a 30% shooter, yet he bent him over and banged him out like Lawson/Parker/etc. And now Nash can't score or penetrate off the dribble at all without a pick so there is no making a defense react, then swinging it back to Kobe so he has that extra space to drive; in fact Metta has a better chance going one on one off the dribble than Nash. Team is flawed and isn't just Pau, its Nash as well who hasn't provided nothing but extra burdens and more dead negatives than positives.


Hinrich is 9-11, 22 points and 7 dimes. Scrubs kill Nash. Trade or bench his *** too, not just Pau.

He deserves this because he really did take it up the [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] better than any pornstar this year from a scrub who has sucked all year, and also got locked down on the other end by him one on one

Hinrick of all people roasted him today.

has not been the difference maker we all hoped he would. not even close.

I Nash can't create for others. He gets assists but over half are accounted for by Kobe making shots, and he's going to take and make them from anyone.

The thing is Nash isn't a post feeder. He should be a post feeder. Nash should give it to Kobe or Pau in the post, even Metta and stand his [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] there like a glorified Kerr or Fisher and take 3s and hit them to he's over 20 points. It's Shaq all over again, he's exposed by the fact he can't feed or play off post up guys, and as a result it forces a team of guys who've won more than he ever has to try to spot up or be pick and roll guys.

Dwight also needs to simply be the flash, garbage put back guy like Horace Grant was or like Bynum was when we won titles. And he needs to defend PFs. Both guys talk about winning but neither has brought [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] to the table to do it this summer because they saw Kobe, Pau, and Metta and thought it would be easy which is why they haven't won [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] beforehand anyhow


And yeah I'm mad

It's sad that this career will end this way. Great Point Guard, and a roster of misfits.

Hinrich has shot in the 30s all year, and has benched most games for Nate. He has underperformed all year like a scrub. He made Nash his ***** on national tv and singled him out. Same way Lawson did, same way Curry and Jack both did to Kobe and MWP switched to them, same as Tony, same as Lin, and like Kyrie and Jennings would have had Kobe not took them.

Dude aint top 10 as a pg on O, and he is bottom barrel on D. And we have no picks, no 9 mil tpe, and a dumb system and coach all for him

Armani wrote:It's sad that this career will end this way. Great Point Guard, and a roster of misfits.

Ain't nothing sad about him. He's always been given talent his whole career, he's been given a system, and he chose to take money over winning when he extended with sarver

Nash just isn't and hasn't been that good enough, its why he never got all star talent around him out the west, and that's why he will never be as good as Stockton or Kidd, and we shouldn't have been here

kblo247 wrote:

Armani wrote:It's sad that this career will end this way. Great Point Guard, and a roster of misfits.

Ain't nothing sad about him. He's always been given talent his whole career, he's been given a system, and he chose to take money over winning when he extended with sarver

Nash just isn't and hasn't been that good enough, its why he never got all star talent around him out the west, and that's why he will never be as good as Stockton or Kidd, and we shouldn't have been here

I have no idea what you're on about. He's lead the greatest offensive teams of this generation for years, and his offense was great tonight. The Lakers already knew he was a non factor on D when they signed him. His talents aren't being maximized on this roster. There's not much more to this than that.

You said its sad he will go out like this and having not won


The guy has played with Kobe, Dwight, Artest, Pau, Amare, Dirk, Finley, Van Exel, Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Walker, young Jamison, Marion who was an all star before Nash, J-Rich, Shaq, Hill, and numerous other talents. He has not gotten out the west with any of that ... That's on him.

You give Kobe talent, he's won before. Same with Shaq. Same with MJ. Same with Bron and others. Nash has choked. Even Iverson got to the dance, and Kidd led his team to b2b finals and also won a ring while running an O and defending the best perimeter guys on teams.

He's not that good. He just blew up because he was the little white guy running big scoring teams, but it didnt and hasn't won anything playing his style that maximizes him, and he's never adjusted to playing with post players let alone been well rounded enough to play D or hit the glass

That's what I'm going on about ... It's not sad, he couldn't get the job down, its on him and makes him a joke, the only MVP to never play in the finals ... Prior, point blank

I think there's some merit to the Nashbashing.

The statline showed a good offensive game for him today, but watching the game I felt like I barely saw him do anything. He just doesn't seem to make much happen besides draining open shots (and I do mean open. He can't or won't create much for himself) and turning the ball over.

I dont feel bad for him, he wanted his cake and eat it to as you will, he wanted to get paid and he got to play closer to his family in addition to playing for a supposedly good team then as oppose to the 2 other options in Tor and NY.

He got destroyed by Hinrich on both ends. Got owned pretty badly

i see people say howard needs shooters, nash needs shooters

maybe we should blame pau and artest then. lol those are the guys who are supposed to be shooting

last stand wrote:i see people say howard needs shooters, nash needs shooters

maybe we should blame pau and artest then. lol those are the guys who are supposed to be shooting

Dwight has played his whole career with shooters; I know you probably know that. Nash has too. So, there is an element of truth to what we're saying. It's not a matter of blaming anybody at this point. We suck. Dwight & Nash are not without faults. Dwight's effort or lack thereof is very disconcerting; Nash can be a good team defender, but I've seen opposing team PG's have their way with him.

He's a great faciliator and use to playing with different personnel. He didn't have a bad game tonight offensively speaking. However, our defense was again the culprit which I think has more to do with not communicating/effort then anything else...

kblo247 wrote:You said its sad he will go out like this and having not won


The guy has played with Kobe, Dwight, Artest, Pau, Amare, Dirk, Finley, Van Exel, Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Walker, young Jamison, Marion who was an all star before Nash, J-Rich, Shaq, Hill, and numerous other talents. He has not gotten out the west with any of that ... That's on him.

You give Kobe talent, he's won before. Same with Shaq. Same with MJ. Same with Bron and others. Nash has choked. Even Iverson got to the dance, and Kidd led his team to b2b finals and also won a ring while running an O and defending the best perimeter guys on teams.

He's not that good. He just blew up because he was the little white guy running big scoring teams, but it didnt and hasn't won anything playing his style that maximizes him, and he's never adjusted to playing with post players let alone been well rounded enough to play D or hit the glass

That's what I'm going on about ... It's not sad, he couldn't get the job down, its on him and makes him a joke, the only MVP to never play in the finals ... Prior, point blank

The team's lost this year when Kobe played great. He had Nash, Dwight, Gasol. See, I can list big names too. How can you watch the Lakers this year and blame Nash for his team failures? Coaching, defense, etc. matters. Nash has genuinely played out of his mind in the past, and his team has lost.

Also, 2007 - Spurs vs Suns was the real finals. They were the best in the league, not that joke of a Cavs team that made the finals.

But this is all irrelevant to the Lakers struggles. This isn't a Nash vs Kidd vs Stockton comparison thread. He's been legitimately elite. He's deferred to Kobe this year, and it hasn't worked. He did some of the same things in the games that this team won, and some of the same in the games this team lost.

If you think he isn't a good fit here, sure. It's not like the Gary Payton situation in 2004, though. Nothing like it.

Nash can't create because Kobe is constantly hollering for the ball and Nash defers. Plain and simple. Kobe deserves most of the blame for our down fall this year.

Yeah Kobe hollers after he dribbles in place, can't get by his guy, can't execute pnr fully, and then has to throw Kobe the ball well out the triple threat area. Nsh is terrible at recognizing how to feed anyone in post position right when they have them sealed. Kobe or Metta can seal a guy in the triple threat and then have to let it go and come 20 something feet out. It's why Shaq called out his lack of knowing how to feed a real big.

Nash hasn't beat one guy off the dribble this year without resorting to hooking them like Felton and Calmers allowed, and you're blind if you say he did well offensively versus Hinrich. He couldn't get anything. It took Kobe, Metta, and everyone on the team setting picks for him. It was Like Norris Cole clamping him down all over again. The onl difference is Hinrich decided to put him on an island and bang him out Jenna Haze style for the world to see