Nash Discussion: #injuredagain. nerve irritation. #andagain

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby odom1year on Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:44 pm

Said many time before, Nash is very weak in defense, especially he is 40 now. What we need is his offensive creation. If we don't need that, please bench him. I blame this loss to MDA. When he sees a guy shooting out of mind, he should bench Nash and put in a better defender.
odom1year

 
Posts: 3387
Joined: Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:33 pm

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby karacha on Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:50 pm

Nash is 38. Will be 39 soon. He's not 40 years old.
"It's not realistic to get younger and better when you only have the veteran's minimum to offer free agents." :mhihi:

-Troll Kupchak
User avatar
karacha
CL Global Moderator
 
Posts: 37435
Joined: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:20 pm

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby khmrP on Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:16 pm

I would feel bad for him for this debacle but he's one of the main culprits for our failures.
User avatar
khmrP

 
Posts: 10404
Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 10:45 pm

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:25 pm

khmrP wrote:I would feel bad for him for this debacle but he's one of the main culprits for our failures.


:man10:

Hilarious how everyone here just starts blindly picking people associated with this team to attack because they don't know who to blame
User avatar
JoelMyersScrotalSack

 
Posts: 6778
Joined: Sun Dec 21, 2008 2:10 am

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby khmrP on Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:52 pm

JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:
khmrP wrote:I would feel bad for him for this debacle but he's one of the main culprits for our failures.


:man10:

Hilarious how everyone here just starts blindly picking people associated with this team to attack because they don't know who to blame


blindly? really? his D is atrocious so Kobe has to cover the opposing pg sometimes, his O is avg. at best at times and whatever it is that he's doing out there to make the offense easier for everyone isn't there on a consistent basis. I dont see him doing anything to make life easier for Kobe, just kills clock and ends up passing to kobe for a bail out anyways. Yes he makes life easier for the PnR guys but Kobe aint no PnR 3pt chucker in the mold of bell, barbosa, etc. like Nash is accustomed to in Pho.
User avatar
khmrP

 
Posts: 10404
Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 10:45 pm

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Armani on Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:12 pm

khmrP wrote:
JoelMyersScrotalSack wrote:
khmrP wrote:I would feel bad for him for this debacle but he's one of the main culprits for our failures.


:man10:

Hilarious how everyone here just starts blindly picking people associated with this team to attack because they don't know who to blame


blindly? really? his D is atrocious so Kobe has to cover the opposing pg sometimes, his O is avg. at best at times and whatever it is that he's doing out there to make the offense easier for everyone isn't there on a consistent basis. I dont see him doing anything to make life easier for Kobe, just kills clock and ends up passing to kobe for a bail out anyways. Yes he makes life easier for the PnR guys but Kobe aint no PnR 3pt chucker in the mold of bell, barbosa, etc. like Nash is accustomed to in Pho.


Kobe is guarding the opposing team's ball handler because HIS off ball D is that weak. Kobe's D seemed to have visible impact for like 2 games, and then his offense faded, and the opposing team started scoring at well. Nash's D isn't worse than Blake's, and our team isn't in a better situation by allowing Kobe to guard the opposing team's ball handler. Realize that our D was just as bad when Nash was out with injury. The D doesn't suffer big time with him on the floor. We are terrible on defense, period.
Image
User avatar
Armani

 
Posts: 1927
Joined: Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:45 pm

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:35 am

It's obvious this roster is not a good fit for Nash ... no spacing and he's often dribbling in no man's land , putting himself in tough situations

I know he hasn't played many games but he has zero chemistry with the players on this roster
wcsoldier81

 
Posts: 6407
Joined: Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:20 am

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:36 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:It's obvious this roster is not a good fit for Nash ... no spacing and he's often dribbling in no man's land , putting himself in tough situations

I know he hasn't played many games but he has zero chemistry with the players on this roster


He much like Dwight are use to being surrounded by shooters.
dwighthowardsdad

 
Posts: 1695
Joined: Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:31 am

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby kblo247 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:10 pm

And this is where the Nash criticism comes from for me. Nash can't play big minutes so we can't start 4th quarters with Kobe resting and Nash with the second unit. Nash can't defend any pg, as Hinrich is a 30% shooter, yet he bent him over and banged him out like Lawson/Parker/etc. And now Nash can't score or penetrate off the dribble at all without a pick so there is no making a defense react, then swinging it back to Kobe so he has that extra space to drive; in fact Metta has a better chance going one on one off the dribble than Nash. Team is flawed and isn't just Pau, its Nash as well who hasn't provided nothing but extra burdens and more dead negatives than positives.


Hinrich is 9-11, 22 points and 7 dimes. Scrubs kill Nash. Trade or bench his *** too, not just Pau.

He deserves this because he really did take it up the [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] better than any pornstar this year from a scrub who has sucked all year, and also got locked down on the other end by him one on one
Image
Image
User avatar
kblo247

 
Posts: 1111
Joined: Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:38 pm

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby lakers_09tv on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:12 pm

Hinrick of all people roasted him today.
Image
Matt Barnes - "I respect all my opponents but I fear no one."

Deron Williams - “I hate ’em, you know,” he said the other day. “I hate the Lakers. They’re so good. I hate them because they win all the time. They’re a tough team. … We definitely talk about it. It’s not a secret. We hate the Lakers.”
User avatar
lakers_09tv

 
Posts: 5798
Joined: Mon Feb 02, 2009 12:30 pm

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby lakersyunowin on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:14 pm

has not been the difference maker we all hoped he would. not even close.
the artist formerly known as fklukewalton, fksteveblake, and fkmikebrown
User avatar
lakersyunowin

 
Posts: 10387
Joined: Sat Apr 25, 2009 7:19 pm

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby kblo247 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:18 pm

I Nash can't create for others. He gets assists but over half are accounted for by Kobe making shots, and he's going to take and make them from anyone.

The thing is Nash isn't a post feeder. He should be a post feeder. Nash should give it to Kobe or Pau in the post, even Metta and stand his [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] there like a glorified Kerr or Fisher and take 3s and hit them to he's over 20 points. It's Shaq all over again, he's exposed by the fact he can't feed or play off post up guys, and as a result it forces a team of guys who've won more than he ever has to try to spot up or be pick and roll guys.

Dwight also needs to simply be the flash, garbage put back guy like Horace Grant was or like Bynum was when we won titles. And he needs to defend PFs. Both guys talk about winning but neither has brought [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] to the table to do it this summer because they saw Kobe, Pau, and Metta and thought it would be easy which is why they haven't won [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] beforehand anyhow


And yeah I'm mad
Image
User avatar
kblo247

 
Posts: 1111
Joined: Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:38 pm

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Armani on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:21 pm

It's sad that this career will end this way. Great Point Guard, and a roster of misfits.
Image
User avatar
Armani

 
Posts: 1927
Joined: Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:45 pm

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby kblo247 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:24 pm

Hinrich has shot in the 30s all year, and has benched most games for Nate. He has underperformed all year like a scrub. He made Nash his ***** on national tv and singled him out. Same way Lawson did, same way Curry and Jack both did to Kobe and MWP switched to them, same as Tony, same as Lin, and like Kyrie and Jennings would have had Kobe not took them.

Dude aint top 10 as a pg on O, and he is bottom barrel on D. And we have no picks, no 9 mil tpe, and a dumb system and coach all for him :lol:
Image
User avatar
kblo247

 
Posts: 1111
Joined: Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:38 pm

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby kblo247 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:25 pm

Armani wrote:It's sad that this career will end this way. Great Point Guard, and a roster of misfits.

Ain't nothing sad about him. He's always been given talent his whole career, he's been given a system, and he chose to take money over winning when he extended with sarver

Nash just isn't and hasn't been that good enough, its why he never got all star talent around him out the west, and that's why he will never be as good as Stockton or Kidd, and we shouldn't have been here
Image
User avatar
kblo247

 
Posts: 1111
Joined: Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:38 pm

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Armani on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:29 pm

kblo247 wrote:
Armani wrote:It's sad that this career will end this way. Great Point Guard, and a roster of misfits.

Ain't nothing sad about him. He's always been given talent his whole career, he's been given a system, and he chose to take money over winning when he extended with sarver

Nash just isn't and hasn't been that good enough, its why he never got all star talent around him out the west, and that's why he will never be as good as Stockton or Kidd, and we shouldn't have been here


I have no idea what you're on about. He's lead the greatest offensive teams of this generation for years, and his offense was great tonight. The Lakers already knew he was a non factor on D when they signed him. His talents aren't being maximized on this roster. There's not much more to this than that.
Image
User avatar
Armani

 
Posts: 1927
Joined: Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:45 pm

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby kblo247 on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:35 pm

You said its sad he will go out like this and having not won


The guy has played with Kobe, Dwight, Artest, Pau, Amare, Dirk, Finley, Van Exel, Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Walker, young Jamison, Marion who was an all star before Nash, J-Rich, Shaq, Hill, and numerous other talents. He has not gotten out the west with any of that ... That's on him.

You give Kobe talent, he's won before. Same with Shaq. Same with MJ. Same with Bron and others. Nash has choked. Even Iverson got to the dance, and Kidd led his team to b2b finals and also won a ring while running an O and defending the best perimeter guys on teams.

He's not that good. He just blew up because he was the little white guy running big scoring teams, but it didnt and hasn't won anything playing his style that maximizes him, and he's never adjusted to playing with post players let alone been well rounded enough to play D or hit the glass

That's what I'm going on about ... It's not sad, he couldn't get the job down, its on him and makes him a joke, the only MVP to never play in the finals ... Prior, point blank
Image
User avatar
kblo247

 
Posts: 1111
Joined: Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:38 pm

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby SpencerHarrison on Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:40 pm

I think there's some merit to the Nashbashing.

The statline showed a good offensive game for him today, but watching the game I felt like I barely saw him do anything. He just doesn't seem to make much happen besides draining open shots (and I do mean open. He can't or won't create much for himself) and turning the ball over.
SpencerHarrison

 
Posts: 306
Joined: Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:41 pm

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby khmrP on Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:59 pm

I dont feel bad for him, he wanted his cake and eat it to as you will, he wanted to get paid and he got to play closer to his family in addition to playing for a supposedly good team then as oppose to the 2 other options in Tor and NY.
User avatar
khmrP

 
Posts: 10404
Joined: Sat May 26, 2007 10:45 pm

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby The Rock on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:15 am

He got destroyed by Hinrich on both ends. Got owned pretty badly
Image

Props to sidthekid871
User avatar
The Rock
CL Twitter Team
 
Posts: 19979
Joined: Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:10 pm
Location: Smackdown Hotel

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby last stand on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:18 am

i see people say howard needs shooters, nash needs shooters

maybe we should blame pau and artest then. lol those are the guys who are supposed to be shooting
everyone has their top 10 lists of women heres mine

1. emma watson
2. Natalie Portman
3. Mila Kunis
4. Emma Stone
5. Megan Fox
6. jessica biel
7. Teresa Palmer
8. Katy Perry
9. jessica alba
10. Olivia Wilde
last stand

 
Posts: 7496
Joined: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:43 pm

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:29 am

last stand wrote:i see people say howard needs shooters, nash needs shooters

maybe we should blame pau and artest then. lol those are the guys who are supposed to be shooting


Dwight has played his whole career with shooters; I know you probably know that. Nash has too. So, there is an element of truth to what we're saying. It's not a matter of blaming anybody at this point. We suck. Dwight & Nash are not without faults. Dwight's effort or lack thereof is very disconcerting; Nash can be a good team defender, but I've seen opposing team PG's have their way with him.

He's a great faciliator and use to playing with different personnel. He didn't have a bad game tonight offensively speaking. However, our defense was again the culprit which I think has more to do with not communicating/effort then anything else...
dwighthowardsdad

 
Posts: 1695
Joined: Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:31 am

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Armani on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:34 am

kblo247 wrote:You said its sad he will go out like this and having not won


The guy has played with Kobe, Dwight, Artest, Pau, Amare, Dirk, Finley, Van Exel, Kidd, Kevin Johnson, Walker, young Jamison, Marion who was an all star before Nash, J-Rich, Shaq, Hill, and numerous other talents. He has not gotten out the west with any of that ... That's on him.

You give Kobe talent, he's won before. Same with Shaq. Same with MJ. Same with Bron and others. Nash has choked. Even Iverson got to the dance, and Kidd led his team to b2b finals and also won a ring while running an O and defending the best perimeter guys on teams.

He's not that good. He just blew up because he was the little white guy running big scoring teams, but it didnt and hasn't won anything playing his style that maximizes him, and he's never adjusted to playing with post players let alone been well rounded enough to play D or hit the glass

That's what I'm going on about ... It's not sad, he couldn't get the job down, its on him and makes him a joke, the only MVP to never play in the finals ... Prior, point blank



The team's lost this year when Kobe played great. He had Nash, Dwight, Gasol. See, I can list big names too. How can you watch the Lakers this year and blame Nash for his team failures? Coaching, defense, etc. matters. Nash has genuinely played out of his mind in the past, and his team has lost.

Also, 2007 - Spurs vs Suns was the real finals. They were the best in the league, not that joke of a Cavs team that made the finals.

But this is all irrelevant to the Lakers struggles. This isn't a Nash vs Kidd vs Stockton comparison thread. He's been legitimately elite. He's deferred to Kobe this year, and it hasn't worked. He did some of the same things in the games that this team won, and some of the same in the games this team lost.

If you think he isn't a good fit here, sure. It's not like the Gary Payton situation in 2004, though. Nothing like it.
Image
User avatar
Armani

 
Posts: 1927
Joined: Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:45 pm

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby Center Court on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:36 am

Nash can't create because Kobe is constantly hollering for the ball and Nash defers. Plain and simple. Kobe deserves most of the blame for our down fall this year.
User avatar
Center Court

 
Posts: 3126
Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:45 pm
Location: @ CL since '04

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: 10k assist club

Postby kblo247 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:53 am

Yeah Kobe hollers after he dribbles in place, can't get by his guy, can't execute pnr fully, and then has to throw Kobe the ball well out the triple threat area. Nsh is terrible at recognizing how to feed anyone in post position right when they have them sealed. Kobe or Metta can seal a guy in the triple threat and then have to let it go and come 20 something feet out. It's why Shaq called out his lack of knowing how to feed a real big.

Nash hasn't beat one guy off the dribble this year without resorting to hooking them like Felton and Calmers allowed, and you're blind if you say he did well offensively versus Hinrich. He couldn't get anything. It took Kobe, Metta, and everyone on the team setting picks for him. It was Like Norris Cole clamping him down all over again. The onl difference is Hinrich decided to put him on an island and bang him out Jenna Haze style for the world to see
Image
User avatar
kblo247

 
Posts: 1111
Joined: Tue Mar 02, 2010 11:38 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Lakers Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: davriver290, Lakers79, Lets Go Lakers, sidestep and 20 guests

cron
Advertise Here | Privacy Policy | ©2008 Sculu Sports. Come Strong.