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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby SpencerHarrison on Sat Mar 16, 2013 4:23 pm

TheOp wrote:One thing I dont understand is how the Nash/Dwight pick and roll hasnt been extremely dominant this year. According to the synergy stats or w/e last year Nash was the best p/r point guard, and Dwight was the best finisher on p/r.


Right?

I love having Nash for shooting and situational playmaking, but he just hasn't been able to get it going consistently with Howard. Odd.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby Ariza3 on Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:45 pm

its also bc of spacing. we dont have the 3 point shooters that the suns or magic had. and even if it seems like we do the defense will dare us to shoot and metta and meeks are missing most of them so theyre going to keep crowding dwight in the paint and collapsing when he rolls bc they are not afraid of metta bricking wide open 3's.

to me its like they can live with metta shooting 2/7 from 3 a game if that means they eliminate nash dwight pnr. good trade off if you ask me. some nights we make them pay...others we dont.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:44 am

TheOp wrote:One thing I dont understand is how the Nash/Dwight pick and roll hasnt been extremely dominant this year. According to the synergy stats or w/e last year Nash was the best p/r point guard, and Dwight was the best finisher on p/r.

Dwight's movement & quickness is going to do nothing but improve.. He'll set better screens & roll faster. Next season we should see the real potential of the Nash/Dwight p&r. Better 3 point shooting from the SF position would help the p&r a ton. Teams are able to collapse because Ron doesn't make them pay enough.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:04 am

There are a ton of reasons , the main one being lack of spacing and opponents forcing us to beat them by the 3pts shot

- Metta World Brick
- Nash has been slower than ever since his injury
- D12 hasn't been himself physically
- D12 hasn't the right footing to roll to the basket from beyond the FT area and finish at the basket ala Stat or even Gortat ... opportunities for him off the PNR action would come more from getting deep position and sealing the opponent helper with the quick entry pass coming from the wing ... back to the Metta World Brick/lack of spacing issue


We'll see more of the Nash/D12 action with Kobe out ... but yeah opponents will still be fine with getting beaten from the 3pt line over D12 getting easy pts at the basket ...

The greatest benefit from the Nash/D12 PNR is D12 recent solid screens free Nash up for a good amount of midrange Js off the dribble , something Steve is very good at
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:22 am

I want Steve to shoot 15 times today. We need his scoring without Kobe.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:04 am

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Steve Nash banged up his calf at Indiana, but D'Antoni doesn't think it's an issue. He finished the Pacers game & will start tonight.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby therealdeal on Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:11 am

That's all we need. :man10:

Let's just all have some injury fun. What's next? Ebanks out with a broken sternum?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:26 am

^^^^Blake breaking his left foot while doing his own version of Harlem Shake
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby Scnottaken on Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:33 am

The worst possible outcome would be Sacre sprains his fingers doing finger guns :man6:
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:50 am

mcten: D'Antoni said that Steve Nash is over his right calf bruise suffered vs. IND: "He seems to be OK."
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby Finwë on Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:08 pm

Classic Steve Nash tonight. Great shooting (after a somewhat slow start) and made a bunch of great passes. Him and Blake running the O is really a beautiful thing to watch
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby karacha on Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:37 pm

He has one of the best running jumpers I've ever seen. And he is unbelievably clutch. Always hits big shots for his team. He does not look 39, not even close.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby SpencerHarrison on Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:45 pm

Great game from Nash - beautiful to watch. He and Blake look really good together. I remember cringing when Blake would swap out to SG, but now everything just seems to flow. Granted, it always looks pretty when long range jumpers are falling - but it's no accident that Nash brings out the best in everyone.

I think the biggest thing he does right now is demand defensive focus. All over. Nash has the ability from anywhere on the court to immediately make a defense pay.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby JSM on Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:50 pm

Took him a little while to get going, but he got there. He hit a few big shots in the 4th and was racking up assists in bunches. Good job running the offense and holding down the fort.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby Ariza3 on Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:03 am

he was really looking like suns nash out there tonight. was really going out of his way to set others up and passing up open shots but took them and made them when we needed it. great game and plays well off ball and with the ball with blake at the 2.

his defense actually wasnt too bad. i thought throughout the game there were stretches where the team had so much energy on D that everyone was moving and rotation and contesting so well including nash. it was good to see.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:03 pm

Nash shot too much and took everyone out of rhythm.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby SpencerHarrison on Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:54 pm

Steve Nash and Dwight Howard are not good in the PnR together. Half the time what happens is:

*Nash's man gets screened off, and the play goes inside to Howard. Everyone KNOWS that's where the play is heading, so they swat and kick everywhere. Howard doesn't have the greatest hands in traffic, and the ball gets loose. Nash's man at this point is halfway back and waiting for the outlet pass for an easy score.

Nash has to score off the elbow jumper. A lot. As in, Westbrook a lot. Otherwise this play will never be as effective as it could be.

And again, if I have a choice of Nash taking a PnR elbow jumper, or Dwight trying his "post moves" out, I'll roll with Nash every time win or lose.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby khmrP on Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:59 pm

Nash just dont like beating his old team I guess
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby The Rock on Tue Mar 19, 2013 11:34 am

Nash went 4 for 7 to start the game and then 2 for 10 after, how come playing so much PG he had only 4 assists to show for it and didn't give more shots for Steve Blake whos shooting over 50% and Earl Clark who was shooting a better % than Nash. Ballhog!

All kidding aside I'll just chalk this up to being a back to back, one more set of this and then we're done for the rest of the year to back to backs. I like the fact that Nash is shooting more, more often than not it will provide good results
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:16 am

Mike Trudell ‏@LakersReporter 11h
Nash on Bryant today: "Kobe looked good. He got into a rhythm and played well. It didn’t look like (his ankle) was bothering him."


Mike Trudell ‏@LakersReporter 11h
Nash on Gasol: "He looked good. He was moving well. He looked like he had a lot of energy. Hopefully, he can feel good tomorrow and play."
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby therealdeal on Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:39 am

We need those two to ease back into the flow. We were really rocking there for a bit, now we've hit a speed bump.

I'd like if we could just slowly ramp up every game for the playoffs. Our momentum has taken a hit, but I think we can recover from this.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby dj vitus on Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:50 am

SpencerHarrison wrote:Steve Nash and Dwight Howard are not good in the PnR together.

Who would have thought the best P&R PG and the best P&R C in the league would be terrible at it together. :bang:
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby gcclaker on Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:43 am

dj vitus wrote:
SpencerHarrison wrote:Steve Nash and Dwight Howard are not good in the PnR together.

Who would have thought the best P&R PG and the best P&R C in the league would be terrible at it together. :bang:

My thoughts... From what I remember with Howard in his Orlando days, Howard mostly caught alley-oops with Nelson and not much off the bounce. Nash and Stoudemire during their Phoenix days played well together because rolled off the bounce pass to the rim or on a short J which was good at. Anyone remember that little tiff they had where Howard was pointing up while Nash was had his hands down telling Howard to catch it and gather himself? It could be the reason for all the strips that he has endured too.

Side note: Blake seems to connect better throwing it up there for Howard.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby LTLakerFan on Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:49 am

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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: passes Magic in all time assists

Postby SpencerHarrison on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:37 pm

I have a problem. I like the idea of Steve Nash, but I can't for the life of me figure out what he actually brings to this team besides intangibles.

He can KIND OF score decently when he makes it a priority. But otherwise, here's what Nash on the floor gets you:

*Instant defensive switch on PnR. You screen him, hes gone. Easy to switch matchups all night long or just blow by him.

*Smaller, older and slower.

*Turnover prone.

What positives does he give you? What matchup problems does he create? I see him fumbling inside on drives, throwing possessions away, airballing shots, missing floaters and 3 pointers, etc.

With Blake all I see is smart ball movement, crisp passes and good decision making.

AM I HIGH? MAKE THIS STOP!!!

There was a good argument for why all of this is happening that I read here, but the fact remains:

Steve Nash isn't particularly good or effective on either end of the floor for this team.

And yes, this comes on the heels of maybe his most complete statistical game against Golden State. But I still stand by this.
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