Steve Nash Discussion: Retiring; Lakers Disabled Exception

Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:13 pm

nash = old , brittle, weak, overrated, slow, too small, must be dumped in off season with MDA.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby dj vitus on Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:24 pm

Why all the hate? Even with a few open misses, the dude was still our best shooter outside of the usual Howard and Gasol.

He was still a +2 while I'm seeing other guys at -14, -10, -16, and -16.

Yes, I agree that Nash's "style" doesn't quite work with us for now, but remember, we no longer have Kobe to facilitate in the wing or post to best utilize Nash as a shooter and as a passer out of his dribble drives. That and the 2 PG system should only be used sparingly, so that falls strictly on D'Antoni.

All you people who only come out when Nash has a seemingly bad game and just ignore him when he's having a great game are just trolls.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby dj vitus on Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:16 pm

SpencerHarrison wrote:I remember being so stoked to get Nash. I thought a player that good and skilled could ONLY help. Even when things got bizarre and the losses piled up, I still regarded him as "Dfish on Crack" and that was all we needed. But now? I just see him as a liability. He brings the offense down, and it becomes a bunch of [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] nonsense in the key. Make a pass into the post. Set yourself at the 3 line. DONE. Enough of the intercepted feeds inside and dangerous baseline dribbles. When Nash goes baseline, 3/4 times it's a turnover. Blake? I expect 2 points.

And all I hear the commentators say during the games is how mind blowing the Spurs are, and how great Nash is at the PnR. Meanwhile, the guy who actually makes this team win games? Pau? Nary a word on his near back to back triple doubles.

It's crazy. I wish Nash had stayed injured. I'd rather roll with Blake, Pau and D12 triangle win or lose.

I agree that he can be a liability, but mostly on defense since the league is so guard-happy. With a healthy Nash and more playing time together, we'll see a much better offense next season.

As for Blake starting, I don't think he can do the job all season long. Plus, Morris as a full time backup would spell doom barring some miracle work ethic this off-season. We would need a new starting PG, and that's not an option w/o trading Pau or possibly Metta. It's a shame the new sign-and-trade rule hurts us as a major market team, but I guess that's what Stern wants.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Sun Apr 21, 2013 9:53 pm

dj vitus wrote:Why all the hate? Even with a few open misses, the dude was still our best shooter outside of the usual Howard and Gasol.

He was still a +2 while I'm seeing other guys at -14, -10, -16, and -16.

Yes, I agree that Nash's "style" doesn't quite work with us for now, but remember, we no longer have Kobe to facilitate in the wing or post to best utilize Nash as a shooter and as a passer out of his dribble drives. That and the 2 PG system should only be used sparingly, so that falls strictly on D'Antoni.

All you people who only come out when Nash has a seemingly bad game and just ignore him when he's having a great game are just trolls.

because he stinks. nash and his klown coach MDA with their garbage phx suns non title glory days empty promises.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby lakersin4 on Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:22 pm

Stop trying to penetrate unless you have an easy lane to a layup or obvious lob setup.. Let Blake run the pick & roll & do most of the creating when he's in there.. Spend all of your practice time on spot up 3's. If we're going to make it far, it's on Dwight's back.. Nash has the shooting ability to be deadly from 3 when Dwight's passing out of doubles. I want to see Nash attempting 7 3's a game. He could have a huge impact for us playing like that & we don't lose much in the playmaking department because sadly Blake hasn't been much worse than Nash this season.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:20 am

The 1st reason he picked the Lakers was to not be too far from his kids .... I'll take another player with a higher level of involvement and commitment ....
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby JGC on Mon Apr 22, 2013 7:37 am

On what page in this thread did I get bashed for saying I'd rather have Jrue Holiday than Steve Nash?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:02 am

hollywood swinger wrote:nash = old , brittle, weak, overrated, slow, too small, must be dumped in off season with MDA.


If he had hit the good shots that he created for himself at his normal % that would have been another pretty amazing 1st game back from injury where he couldn't run to stay in game shape. But he missed them and is fair game for so many here with the what have you done for me lately, old man, and over the top disrespect.

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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby last stand on Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:13 am

Created for himself? It takes 2 screens to get up the court. Another 2 just to get past the 3 point line.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby lakerfan2 on Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:32 am

lol at people crushing nash on his first game back from an injury...

what did you expect from an older player.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:38 am

Watch your back here Kobe if you don't drop 28 on 50% your first game back.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby last stand on Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:43 am

Except Kobe carried Nash all season because Nash couldn't take any ball handling pressure off of Kobe like he was supposed to

Except even if we make it to the 2nd round and play 7 games in it Kobe still played more games than nash
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby scissors on Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:50 am

He'll bounce back in game 2. No way Nash has 2 bad playoff games in a row. No matter how old he is.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Armani on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:10 am

dj vitus wrote:He was still a +2 while I'm seeing other guys at -14, -10, -16, and -16.


This, too. He's a +2 in 30 minutes, even on a bad night. The Lakers were actually winning with him in the game. He's a really smart, capable, decision maker and shooter (when healthy). That's just an extremely valuable skill set to have. Our defense is also still very good with him on the floor, so I really don't have a problem with Nash at all. His greatest challenge (if he's back next year), is not missing games, and staying healthy.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:27 am

LTLakerFan wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:nash = old , brittle, weak, overrated, slow, too small, must be dumped in off season with MDA.


If he had hit the good shots that he created for himself at his normal % that would have been another pretty amazing 1st game back from injury where he couldn't run to stay in game shape. But he missed them and is fair game for so many here with the what have you done for me lately, old man, and over the top
disrespect.

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disrespect? Lakers organization or fans own steve trash NOTHING! he is the one not living up to his end of the bargain. when he was healthy he couldn't even handle token full court pressure. everybody needs to get off of nash's nutz dude didn't even deserve the 2 mvp's he got.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:29 am

JGC wrote:On what page in this thread did I get bashed for saying I'd rather have Jrue Holiday than Steve Nash?

the people who bashed you for stating the truth that nash isn't a top 25 pg in the league anymore are hiding. i stated the same thing and called them out yet all i hear are crickets.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby therealdeal on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:32 am

Hindsight is always 20/20.

The initial signing of Steve Nash came off of a season he averaged 15/10 shooting 50/40/90 and missed only 4 games. At the time he was quite obviously still in the top tier of PGs in the league. Then he broke his leg the 2nd game of the season and was not ever the same since. He had a nice stretch until injuring his hamstring/back again.

At no point were any of us wrong who claimed that when we signed Nash he was a top 25 PG still. You were wrong.

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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby hollywood swinger on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:38 am

therealdeal wrote:Hindsight is always 20/20.

The initial signing of Steve Nash came off of a season he averaged 15/10 shooting 50/40/90 and missed only 4 games. At the time he was quite obviously still in the top tier of PGs in the league. Then he broke his leg the 2nd game of the season and was not ever the same since. He had a nice stretch until injuring his hamstring/back again.

At no point were any of us wrong who claimed that when we signed Nash he was a top 25 PG still. You were wrong.

Telling history to fit your tale: priceless.

i didn't say any names but are you suggesting you were one of many killing me when i said nash isn't a good enough player to be a starter on this team even when healthy?
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:41 am

I did like Nash's aggressiveness. He was definitely looking for his shot. He needs to stay that way in order for us to succeed in this series. I trust he'll improve his shooting next game.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby nameant on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:47 am

Insane how good he was last season and now he's like an entirely different player. I guess the run and gun system really made Steve an elite PG...or he's just done.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Doc Brown on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:47 am

Someone is trying too hard for some e-props.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby therealdeal on Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:48 am

hollywood swinger wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Hindsight is always 20/20.

The initial signing of Steve Nash came off of a season he averaged 15/10 shooting 50/40/90 and missed only 4 games. At the time he was quite obviously still in the top tier of PGs in the league. Then he broke his leg the 2nd game of the season and was not ever the same since. He had a nice stretch until injuring his hamstring/back again.

At no point were any of us wrong who claimed that when we signed Nash he was a top 25 PG still. You were wrong.

Telling history to fit your tale: priceless.

i didn't say any names but are you suggesting you were one of many killing me when i said nash isn't a good enough player to be a starter on this team even when healthy?

If you made that suggestion at the start of the season, then yes probably. If you made that suggestion sometime in the last month, then no probably not.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby FabFourLakers on Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:07 am

It was his first game back....and he had a ton of good looks...I'll give him the benefit of the doubt...there's no way he's gonna miss those same shots at the rate he did in game 1. I guarantee he'll play better in the 2nd game...and for the rest of the series. He's a competitor...he has that fire...I have no doubt about it.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby Helljumper on Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:09 am

Nash isn't able to be an elite facilitator anymore. He's older. He also doesn't have the personnel to run an offense the way he used to. Our offense is stagnant. We have no shooters. There is little off-ball movement. We have two space-consuming seven footers who demand consistent post touches. These problems were made even worse since we got used to only playing through the post and passing around the perimeter during the past few games without Kobe.

He's still a very good offensive player. He was missing some shots he'd normally make yesterday. Let's say he made two more shots: one of the wide-open midrange looks he got off the PnR in the 1st and the wide-open three he missed in the third. I don't think it's too big of a stretch to think that if Nash were a little less rusty, he'd easily be able to hit a few more of his open looks.

Then we're looking at this as his statline: 21 points, 53% shooting, 100% three pointers, 100% free throws, 2 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 turnover, +7.

39 years old, coming of an injury he wasn't sure he'd even be able to play on, being thrown into a playoff game after rust from weeks of inactivity. And he STILL was very close to being our leading scorer with an efficient shooting performance and the highest +/- on the team.

I wasn't paying too much attention to Nash on the defensive end, so I'm not sure who he spent most of his time guarding, but we held the Spurs to 37% shooting. Clearly we were able to work around any defensive issues from having Nash on the floor.
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Re: Steve Nash Discussion: ugh

Postby LTLakerFan on Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:03 am

That.....that......just can't be. :man4:
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