Nash Discussion: No harmony, no chemistry, no system (159)

Nash is a free agent this offseason what are the chances he'd take a paycut to sign with the Lakers and potentially win a title before he retires?

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Not gonna happen. Why would any self-respecting PG want to play for Mike Brown?

revgen wrote:Not gonna happen. Why would any self-respecting PG want to play for Mike Brown?

To win a title.

KeepBynum wrote:

revgen wrote:Not gonna happen. Why would any self-respecting PG want to play for Mike Brown?

To win a title.

We're not winning a title until we find a coach that knows how to use our personnel and upgrade our bench.

revgen wrote:

KeepBynum wrote:

revgen wrote:Not gonna happen. Why would any self-respecting PG want to play for Mike Brown?

To win a title.

We're not winning a title until we find a coach that knows how to use our personnel and upgrade our bench.

SVG.

Love Steve Nash. Would love to see him close it out in purple and gold.

Two places lobbying for his services are Miami and New York. South Beach has James openly talking about him. New York? He has a place there and they want him to tutor Lin along. In the end, Nash will likely remain a Sun.

gcclaker wrote:Two places lobbying for his services are Miami and New York. South Beach has James openly talking about him. New York? He has a place there and they want him to tutor Lin along. In the end, Nash will likely remain a Sun.

Nash has already said he's not staying in Phoenix unless they dramatically improve the roster.

A ball dominant point guard that can't play defense..... As great of stats as he's put up over the years.... I have to pass. I think Miller would be a better choice for THIS team over Nash if we are looking at Vets that are free agents....

Rather than the Nash/CP3 slow pick and roll style guards we need a slasher/penetrator to create mismatches and feed the bigs. Nash has been very successful in "open court" offenses with a lot of perimeter shooters and runners..... we have none of those and I think his effectiveness would be diminished because of it....

A floor general that can direct players and the offense is what we need at the point.... not necessarily a star... Get that and a SF that can score/shoot along with a scorer off the bench and we would be a balanced team again....

KeepBynum wrote:

gcclaker wrote:Two places lobbying for his services are Miami and New York. South Beach has James openly talking about him. New York? He has a place there and they want him to tutor Lin along. In the end, Nash will likely remain a Sun.

Nash has already said he's not staying in Phoenix unless they dramatically improve the roster.

Oh that Dan Patrick interview... I did not hear it but some listeners thought that they twisted his words.

Deron Willams please.

Lakers have a better chance of getting D will than Nash. Nash to Heat

Rooscooter wrote:A ball dominant point guard that can't play defense..... As great of stats as he's put up over the years.... I have to pass. I think Miller would be a better choice for THIS team over Nash if we are looking at Vets that are free agents....

Rather than the Nash/CP3 slow pick and roll style guards we need a slasher/penetrator to create mismatches and feed the bigs. Nash has been very successful in "open court" offenses with a lot of perimeter shooters and runners..... we have none of those and I think his effectiveness would be diminished because of it....

A floor general that can direct players and the offense is what we need at the point.... not necessarily a star... Get that and a SF that can score/shoot along with a scorer off the bench and we would be a balanced team again....

Disagree.. Against both the Nuggets and Thunder, we needed Sessions to control the pace of the game and he couldn't do it.. Nash manages the clock and tempo as well as anyone has.. and would instantly be our best 3 point shooter.. Nash wouldn't solve all of our problems but its s huge step in the right direction

LakersN4 wrote:

Rooscooter wrote:A ball dominant point guard that can't play defense..... As great of stats as he's put up over the years.... I have to pass. I think Miller would be a better choice for THIS team over Nash if we are looking at Vets that are free agents....

Rather than the Nash/CP3 slow pick and roll style guards we need a slasher/penetrator to create mismatches and feed the bigs. Nash has been very successful in "open court" offenses with a lot of perimeter shooters and runners..... we have none of those and I think his effectiveness would be diminished because of it....

A floor general that can direct players and the offense is what we need at the point.... not necessarily a star... Get that and a SF that can score/shoot along with a scorer off the bench and we would be a balanced team again....

Disagree.. Against both the Nuggets and Thunder, we needed Sessions to control the pace of the game and he couldn't do it.. Nash manages the clock and tempo as well as anyone has.. and would instantly be our best 3 point shooter.. Nash wouldn't solve all of our problems but its s huge step in the right direction

Nash has never played on a team with lane cloggers like we have..... not sure he could run the pick and roll nearly as well as he has in his other stops without the shooters/floor spacers. Yes... Nash controls the pace... but he's never "walked it up" and been effective. His pace has always been much faster than what we can do with our current personnel. He has had pretty much the same type's of teams around him his whole career....

As much as I like Nash..... his defense may make you forget about Sessions issues...... not sure we would be a lot better and I don't think enough better to win a championship....

Nash's defense is better than Sessions', and to be honest, Miller isn't even better than Nash on that end.

I don't know how he'd perform with Gasol/Bynum in the lane either, but one of the main reasons why he's surrounded by shooters is because he makes them better. Jared Dudley shot career highs in 3P% every single season with the Suns. Shannon Brown shot his second highest 3P% with the Suns. Frye, Barbosa, Bell, and Hill all shot career highs. Richardson and Barnes shot their second highest 3P%. People leave the Suns and never perform at the same level.

This is kinda old news. Nash was rumored to be interested in LA years ago, and he has a good relationship with Kobe. I think it would work well.

Chances us getting Nash are higher than people think. At this stage in his career, I think no way that he heads to NYC or Miami. He is wanting to stay on the West Coast and no place is better than LA, and only a few hrs flight to Vancouver.

Is it Nash? Or is it due to the fact that they don't have to play much defense? By not playing defense, one can devote much more effort to practicing one's shots.

Teams that play great defense tend to have poor offenses. I suspect it's due to their focus in practice. And one plays like how one practices.

Being good on offense doesn't make you bad on defense. O.o

Take the bottom 5 offenses of the last 5 years. Only 2 out of these 25 potential teams were top 10 in defense. Only 1 was in the top 5. Take the top 5 offenses of the last 5 years. Of the 25 potential teams, only 2 were in the bottom 5.

Usually, the bottom 5 in offense is also at the bottom in defense. If anything, a good defense helps your offense by creating easy baskets. A good offense helps your defense by preventing easy baskets. It's rare for a team to be elite at both, but that's what makes contenders. It doesn't mean that you have to be bad at one thing to be good at another.

This year:
Bulls #2 in defense and #5 in offense. Miami Heat #4 in defense and #8 in offense. OKC tied with Spurs in defense at #10. The two are #1 and #2 in offense.

You can't really blame Nash for leading a poor defensive team when his center was Amare Stoudemire or Boris Diaw and his PF was Shawn Marion. Even in 09-10 when he lead a team that pushed the Lakers to 6 (and swept the Spurs), Amare/Frye/Lopez were his three bigs.

I’d prefer Jason Kidd.

Intriguing. Mini-MLE is all the Lakers can offer him though. How badly does he want to be on a contender that needs a PG? Miami needs a PG too and they're better than the Lakers.

Nash would be completely ineffective in Miami, since Wade and LBJ would have the ball most of the time. Besides, Miami is much better with LBJ as the point forward. That's one of their advantages. Miami needs a SG who can guard fast PGs. Nash aint that.

Because Bynum and Pau are piss poor help defenders, Nash's D would be a HUGE liability.

Offensively, we'd be VASTLY improved. We don't need Nash to be the ball dominant guard. Just hit J's and 3's at the ridiculous percentages that he normally performs as.

All in all, it wouldn't work with Bynum....unless we get a really good defender at the 4 to replace Pau.

Nash would never come here even if we could pay him ... he hates the Lakers

Contrary to what we'd like to think, I don't think players are exactly lining up to play beside an extremely ball-dominant, alpha-dog like Kobe. I love Kobe, but that's just truth. It's take a special superstar to play alongside him.