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Postby KB24 on Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:48 pm

@John

thats right. But "the Laker way" is a constantly evolving story when the leaders change. I was very pissed when they released Ronnie Lester who also spent significant time with the franchise. I get all that and I'm not happy about it. But does it bother me now? no. And probably nobody had this on his mind before reading this.

All I'm saying is that it happens all the time and is part of the story. Can't have EVERYTHING. The Lakers commited themselves to pay by far the highest salary this year with the CBA breathing down their necks. Its frankly extremely unfair to blame them for not being loyal or cheap. They are loyal and they have always been... loyal to winning that is. Thats why they traded great players or club icons ...traded Pau before it got nixed...or Odom...or Fisher or Rick Fox or many other guys.

Does anybody apologize to them when they traded Fish for Hill? I now everybody loves Hill and forgot about the theatre we had about that particular trade. Fans don't get it, they don't have the business know-how to judge this. They don't know the Lakers financial playing room.

Classy? no. Enjoyable? no. Sad? yes. End of the world? no. Sucking it up and moving on.
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby TIME on Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:10 pm

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Not sure I get the real world dog eat dog thing so it's no big deal perspective. Of course people get treated like dirt out in the real world. The point of the article is that Jerry Buss was well known for handling his business in a far more classy way.

The way they handled Rudy G, was more like Donald Sterling than Jerry Buss.
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby pound4pound1 on Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:12 pm

the Clippers are gonna hire Rudy next summer, watch
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby Vasashi17 on Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:14 pm

KB24, if they are loyal to winning, then ego wouldn't have gotten in the way in hiring the most winningest coach...and that's the bottomline....I'm sure you agree.

If you have a proven champion and winning is what you want to do, then make the basketball decisions that scream your desire to win above all else. Instead, we have Jimmy flexing his ego and throwing away his father's money at yet another lame duck coach.

You spend 100M on a product...then goddammit, protect your investment. But ego got the best of him..and frankly I have no pity or remorse for the hammer that will eventually come down on Jimmy. I do however feel bad for our fanbase...and those that have stayed loyal to Jerry's Lakers only to get axed from Jimmy's Lakers.

This was a self-inflicted wound that could've altogether been avoided but it only takes one bad apple to ruin it for the rest of us....in fact, what tree did this apple fall off of? JB can never be replaced, but the goal is to try....not to go in the complete opposite direction.
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby hollywood swinger on Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:13 pm

"hey rudy how long are these ham & cheese on rye gonna take?"
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby JGC on Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:31 pm

OMG really? We're talking about an equipment guy. He carries jock straps to and fro. The loyalty thing I get, but it doesn't always extend to every single person from the top to the bottom.

I mean, do they have to keep the pretzel guy at the food court and the ushers and the guys selling candy out of a box forever too?

I get why it is a bummer, it really is, but come on. Has anyone ever worked at an organization where someone has done the same job for 30 years? These are people making $100K+/yr to do a job an entry-level college graduate can do for $40K. There's no business justification for that.
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby TIME on Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:48 pm

JGC wrote:OMG really? We're talking about an equipment guy. He carries jock straps to and fro. The loyalty thing I get, but it doesn't always extend to every single person from the top to the bottom.

I mean, do they have to keep the pretzel guy at the food court and the ushers and the guys selling candy out of a box forever too?

I get why it is a bummer, it really is, but come on. Has anyone ever worked at an organization where someone has done the same job for 30 years? These are people making $100K+/yr to do a job an entry-level college graduate can do for $40K. There's no business justification for that.


Classic case in this post of using an exaggerated example to dismiss the point. Rudy was not the pretzel guy in the food court. He knew each player well. He took care of their personal stuff for over 25 years and by all accounts did an excellent job at it. Again, as Kasumi pointed out, it was not that they had no right to let him go if they wanted to trim his salary in a cost cutting move. It was the ridiculously callous way they did it. Same way Shaw found out he was not going to get the head coach job. The main point here is that Jerry Buss was a brilliant people manager and Jim Buss is a clueless knucklehead when it comes to managing people.
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby KB24 on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:11 pm

Vash I agree that Phil would have been amazing.

But I can also say there are a few logical reasons for hiring MDA.

1. Nash was worthless under Brown so they prioritized to get a compatible coach and there was a good chance he would have sucked playing for Jackson.

2. Jerry Buss always valued entertainment as much as winning. He was involved in hiring MDA and Mitch several times has reiterated that. The methodical offense wasn't what he envisioned when looking at the roster and seeing four hof players. *ShowTime*

3. MDA is significantly cheaper than Jackson.

4. MDA could be a long-term solution while Jackson was a short-term solution and at some point you have to move on, so might as well start now.

5. Lakers have a lot...a lot of offensive talent. D12 was the most effective p&r player in the NBA last year. The idea to pair him with the best p&r guard was enticing, remember Amare. Also Gasol used to be great rolling to the rim, finishing easy buckets.

6. Kobe and Nash wanted Mike.

so all in all hiring DAntoni didn't work out and Jax would have been amazing. But hind sight 20 20. The FO decided it and it turned to be a dud...like everything with this team this season.
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby John3:16 on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:12 pm

hollywood swinger wrote:"hey rudy how long are these ham & cheese on rye gonna take?"
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby 432J on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:20 pm

it's amazing how completely different father and son can be

on one hand there's jerry buss who was the greatest owner in sports history, a loyal and caring man who gave his all to make the lakers what they are

and then there's his son jim. no loyalty, no basketball sense at all, and NOT doing what's best for the team when it involves making a sacrifice
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Postby D.B. Cooper on Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:26 pm

Thnxshaq is too many characters for plates.
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby JGC on Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:03 pm

TIME wrote:
JGC wrote:OMG really? We're talking about an equipment guy. He carries jock straps to and fro. The loyalty thing I get, but it doesn't always extend to every single person from the top to the bottom.

I mean, do they have to keep the pretzel guy at the food court and the ushers and the guys selling candy out of a box forever too?

I get why it is a bummer, it really is, but come on. Has anyone ever worked at an organization where someone has done the same job for 30 years? These are people making $100K+/yr to do a job an entry-level college graduate can do for $40K. There's no business justification for that.


Classic case in this post of using an exaggerated example to dismiss the point. Rudy was not the pretzel guy in the food court. He knew each player well. He took care of their personal stuff for over 25 years and by all accounts did an excellent job at it. Again, as Kasumi pointed out, it was not that they had no right to let him go if they wanted to trim his salary in a cost cutting move. It was the ridiculously callous way they did it. Same way Shaw found out he was not going to get the head coach job. The main point here is that Jerry Buss was a brilliant people manager and Jim Buss is a clueless knucklehead when it comes to managing people.


You're right. It is an exaggerated example to say an equipment guy is a pretzel guy in the food court. But it's also an exaggeration to act as if he is anything more than an equipment guy who simply lost his job.

I just don't think it makes all that much sense to make a martyr out of an equipment guy.
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby WilliamHaven on Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:19 pm

Sounds to me that he was one of the few who had a chance to get his job back. But he made the choice to not interview when his job wasn't guaranteed. So.....he made the choice.

I don't think we necessarily should feel sorry for Rudy. He had a chance to get his job back (Ronnie Lester, Brian Shaw, etc. did not) but declined and decided to do something he was already thinking/wanting to do anyway.

It was his decision, I don't get it.
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Mar 01, 2013 5:38 pm

TIME wrote:
Shadow wrote:Classy move Jim Buss.. :freak2:


Indeed. Stay classy Jim.

There were a LOT of stories of Dr. Buss' loyalty to employees at his passing. I think the apple fell a little too far from the tree.


While I wholeheartedly agree with this statement..... the effect of "estate planning" for the transfer of the team under the new tax realities both at the State and Federal level have something to do with this.

Stories like this are all over the place out there with "Family Businesses". What's going on in Texas in the Ranching industry with Cowboys is very similar.....

Sad story but it looks like he's landed right side up finally. Those sandwiches look good..... I'll have to look that truck up next time in the city.
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby JGC on Fri Mar 01, 2013 7:30 pm

WilliamHaven wrote:Sounds to me that he was one of the few who had a chance to get his job back. But he made the choice to not interview when his job wasn't guaranteed. So.....he made the choice.

I don't think we necessarily should feel sorry for Rudy. He had a chance to get his job back (Ronnie Lester, Brian Shaw, etc. did not) but declined and decided to do something he was already thinking/wanting to do anyway.

It was his decision, I don't get it.


Exactly. He declined the position essentially. Plus, and I know this might sound insensitive, but I never have too much sympathy for those who don't ever aspire to grow beyond whatever they were doing THREE decades ago. I mean hey, great gig, you get the meet the players and take their sweaty jerseys from the locker room to the washing machine and stuff. I mean what a cool gig. After 5 or so years, I mean, maybe it's time to think about what's next. Or maybe after 10 years? Or 15, or 20? I'm not saying he deserved this or anything, and I do think it was cold the way they notified him after all of those years of service, and that is a bummer no doubt.

I just think painting him as some sort of sob story is a bit much when you take in to account he turned down an opportunity to get the job back and that this is a guy that clearly had no aspirations beyond shuffling equipment around which sort of says he was taking the job for granted to me.
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby Lakeshow24 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:50 am

KB24 wrote:Not exactly a heartbreaking story...whatever.

Its business. People need to deal with it.


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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby jimbo327 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:16 am

Stay Classy Jim.

He wanted to change the culture (a winning culture) and that's exactly what he got. Karma.
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby jimbo327 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:25 am

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WilliamHaven wrote:Sounds to me that he was one of the few who had a chance to get his job back. But he made the choice to not interview when his job wasn't guaranteed. So.....he made the choice.

I don't think we necessarily should feel sorry for Rudy. He had a chance to get his job back (Ronnie Lester, Brian Shaw, etc. did not) but declined and decided to do something he was already thinking/wanting to do anyway.

It was his decision, I don't get it.


Exactly. He declined the position essentially. Plus, and I know this might sound insensitive, but I never have too much sympathy for those who don't ever aspire to grow beyond whatever they were doing THREE decades ago. I mean hey, great gig, you get the meet the players and take their sweaty jerseys from the locker room to the washing machine and stuff. I mean what a cool gig. After 5 or so years, I mean, maybe it's time to think about what's next. Or maybe after 10 years? Or 15, or 20? I'm not saying he deserved this or anything, and I do think it was cold the way they notified him after all of those years of service, and that is a bummer no doubt.

I just think painting him as some sort of sob story is a bit much when you take in to account he turned down an opportunity to get the job back and that this is a guy that clearly had no aspirations beyond shuffling equipment around which sort of says he was taking the job for granted to me.


And where is exactly the next move higher for a equipment manager? The guy obviously loved the Lakers and had trusted Dr. Buss...and worked for 26 years...that's no joke. He was obviously doing a good job because everyone loved him. He declined the position because he was dropped to the curb with no notice. And let me ask you, why would he need to re-interview for a job that he held for 26 years? Does management need to figure out if he knows the job duties? It is actually more insulting. If Jim wanted to have Rudy back, he can snap a finger, and Rudy would be hired if this was truly a cost saving measure during the lockout. Obviously, it wasn't.
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby GoldenKnight on Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:39 am

Just saw this guy's story on the news, pretty sad even though he seems content for now.
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Postby hollywood swinger on Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:31 am

maybe rudy sucked at managing equipment but is good at delivering sandwiches?
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby hollywood swinger on Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:32 am

John3:16 wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:"hey rudy how long are these ham & cheese on rye gonna take?"
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She kinda looks like Diane Lane in this photo. And I like it.


hmm hmm got a thing for the older milf types huh? :man13: :man10:
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby JGC on Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:06 am

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JGC wrote:
WilliamHaven wrote:Sounds to me that he was one of the few who had a chance to get his job back. But he made the choice to not interview when his job wasn't guaranteed. So.....he made the choice.

I don't think we necessarily should feel sorry for Rudy. He had a chance to get his job back (Ronnie Lester, Brian Shaw, etc. did not) but declined and decided to do something he was already thinking/wanting to do anyway.

It was his decision, I don't get it.


Exactly. He declined the position essentially. Plus, and I know this might sound insensitive, but I never have too much sympathy for those who don't ever aspire to grow beyond whatever they were doing THREE decades ago. I mean hey, great gig, you get the meet the players and take their sweaty jerseys from the locker room to the washing machine and stuff. I mean what a cool gig. After 5 or so years, I mean, maybe it's time to think about what's next. Or maybe after 10 years? Or 15, or 20? I'm not saying he deserved this or anything, and I do think it was cold the way they notified him after all of those years of service, and that is a bummer no doubt.

I just think painting him as some sort of sob story is a bit much when you take in to account he turned down an opportunity to get the job back and that this is a guy that clearly had no aspirations beyond shuffling equipment around which sort of says he was taking the job for granted to me.


And where is exactly the next move higher for a equipment manager? The guy obviously loved the Lakers and had trusted Dr. Buss...and worked for 26 years...that's no joke. He was obviously doing a good job because everyone loved him. He declined the position because he was dropped to the curb with no notice. And let me ask you, why would he need to re-interview for a job that he held for 26 years? Does management need to figure out if he knows the job duties? It is actually more insulting. If Jim wanted to have Rudy back, he can snap a finger, and Rudy would be hired if this was truly a cost saving measure during the lockout. Obviously, it wasn't.


Well, if you're in an organization that doesn't provide you with upward mobility then it might make sense to start planning your next move. Players, coaches, and normal people with jobs have to do the same thing why don't the same rules apply for Rudy? Have you ever seen the salaries of people who have been doing the same thing for 20+ years? They are beyond overpaid for the value they bring in return.

And no, he didn't decline the position because he was dropped to the curb. Did you read the article? He declined to interview for the position again because he wasn't guaranteed the job. Even when Phil was 'dropped to the curb' the first time, the FO went to talk with him first before offering him the job back later. And that's the no-brainer GOAT Phil Jackson not some guy who shuttles jerseys from one room to another.
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby D.B. Cooper on Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:18 am

hollywood swinger wrote:
John3:16 wrote:
hollywood swinger wrote:"hey rudy how long are these ham & cheese on rye gonna take?"
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She kinda looks like Diane Lane in this photo. And I like it.


hmm hmm got a thing for the older milf types huh? :man13: :man10:

I know I do :man13:
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby Vasashi17 on Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:40 pm

This isn't about feeling sorry for Rudy. He wanted a food truck, while he was with the Lakers...so I'm happy for him that he got his business up and running.

Like Misti and many have already said in this thread, what is rotten about this story is the unceremonious way they dropped him and many other loyal and tenured staff. It was reported that Mitch was irate at the way Lester was handled and even contemplated resigning.

Shaw didn't even get an interview and lets say he becomes one of the better coaches in the league, will he ever consider returning to us? Will he ever recommend the Lakers with his peers and any free agents that he comes across (ie Paul George)? It's bad business no matter how you look at it. Magic knew it, which explains his departure from the Lakers to join Dodgers ownership. The Logo knew it, when he left and didn't even consider rejoining us after his stint in Memphis...instead choosing to go up north. Something is rotten around these parts and most of us (including loyal Laker legends) know it.

This shouldn't be the Laker way...period!
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Re: Story of Rudy G's departure, now working a food truck

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:54 pm

^Not that I don't believe you, but do you have the link it was reported that Mitch thought of resigning because of the way Lester was handled. As a matter of fact, there's an article where Lester said himself, that Mitch wanted to bring him back but according to Lester, Mitch couldn't talk Jerry and Jim into taking him back

Interesting for those saying it was all Jim Buss' fault. I'm not saying that Jim is innocent in all of this; however, let's be realistic. Unfortunately, this goes on in Corporate America all the time. Could this situation been handled more properly? Probably. As another poster pointed out, it had more the do with the State & Federal Estate Tax Issues more then anything, IMO...
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