Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby LTLakerFan on Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:51 pm

That reminds me. WTF!! Dwight "Superman" Howard is in the freaking mecca of post up basketball. Kareem is here. Gasol is here. Kobe is here. Even Ron Ron is here. The range is from pretty good (Metta) to really good (Gasol) to off the charts good (Kobe and Kareem). Has any of it rubbed off on Dwight? Has Dwight even requested any tips or worked on anything with any of these guys. Sure as hell does not look like it as he is horrible fundamentally. No excuse.
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby JGC on Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:59 pm

Rooscooter wrote:This doesn't surprise me that much. I've always thought he's been our best post up player for a couple reasons. First most post players play against post defenders.... who practice post defense. Kobe goes in the post against shooting guards....

Second, he's flat out got a great mid-range game and is very good with his back to the basket.


Wait a minute. Just yesterday you were preaching about how worthless sports stats are! Why aren't you talking about that now? Hmmm, I wonder. (Just teasing buddy, I wouldn't expect you to do that here!)

In all seriousness though, I do like Kobe in the post. He's effective there but the problem is we almost always have two bigs on the floor with Kobe.

He also saves maybe a little bit of that energy while in the post too (though post work can be very energy consuming as well). Just better than the dancing and dribble, pull it back, dribble, pump fake, pump fake, pump fake, jumper plays that I detest!

But to be effective, we're still going to need people to cut and move off the ball when he's in the post so that he has that option to hit a diving cutter. I just don't see many players on this team who care to move off the ball though.

It's funny. MDA doesn't like the post up and it makes sense since, he hasn't had a ton of great post players but now he has multiple guys who want it in the post so he should try to make that adjustment. For everyone.
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:06 pm

JGC wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:This doesn't surprise me that much. I've always thought he's been our best post up player for a couple reasons. First most post players play against post defenders.... who practice post defense. Kobe goes in the post against shooting guards....

Second, he's flat out got a great mid-range game and is very good with his back to the basket.


Wait a minute. Just yesterday you were preaching about how worthless sports stats are! Why aren't you talking about that now? Hmmm, I wonder. (Just teasing buddy, I wouldn't expect you to do that here!)

In all seriousness though, I do like Kobe in the post. He's effective there but the problem is we almost always have two bigs on the floor with Kobe.

He also saves maybe a little bit of that energy while in the post too (though post work can be very energy consuming as well). Just better than the dancing and dribble, pull it back, dribble, pump fake, pump fake, pump fake, jumper plays that I detest!

But to be effective, we're still going to need people to cut and move off the ball when he's in the post so that he has that option to hit a diving cutter. I just don't see many players on this team who care to move off the ball though.

It's funny. MDA doesn't like the post up and it makes sense since, he hasn't had a ton of great post players but now he has multiple guys who want it in the post so he should try to make that adjustment. For everyone.


I just said it doesn't surprise me..... One thing about the stat that I noted in my post was that the defenders of wing players are not accustom to guarding in the post so a wing with a decent post game can have a larger advantage than a big with a superior post game in a lot of situations. The stat doesn't adjust for that.... or any other advanced variables beyond touches and scores....

Kobe has been one of the most effective mid range and post up players of the last era..... He's never relied on one part of his game and never thought that any part was beyond getting better at. He has gone to "Big Man Camp" a few times.... more than either of our "Big Men" in fact..... That right there ought to tell us something about both Kobe and our big men.

Moving off the ball isn't what players that have been the focus of their teams in the past do easily. Their entire NBA existence has been centered on getting them the ball where they want it...... sound familiar? We have someone currently that is bellyaching about this very thing....
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby kblo247 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:36 pm

Season you guys are talking about is 09-10. Pau missed the first part of the year with a hamstring injury. It was Ron's first year, and Phil installed Kobe in the pinch post/triple threat and he was bananas only sharing the floor with Drew, LO, Ron, and Fish ... Andrew also was 20 and 10 while LO was a 2x2 and Ron/Fish offered spacing
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby dj vitus on Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:28 pm

Kobe = Hakeem
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby robKBMJ on Fri Jan 25, 2013 11:35 pm

So this is probably why D'umbtoni doesn't want to give Pao more touches in the post.
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby The Rock on Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:03 pm

Anybody noticed Kobe is posting up more since this thing came out :man10: maybe D'Antoni has a twitter :man1:
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:24 pm

I think he went more back to it after he said they have to go back and take a look at D'Antoni's system; something along the lines of everybody has to go back to what they're good at. Well, Kobe is best in the post scoring or distributing for others. Also, less taxing.

That's our system. Jordan at Kobe's age lived in the post and primarily did his work from there. We can utilize Kobe in that sense in the post and run everything from there. Also, of course utlizing other offensive sets, but for the most part, this is who we are if we want to be successful or so it seems so far...
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby The Rock on Mon May 06, 2013 9:46 am

I dont have production of our guys to rest of the league & where they rank but heres how they ended the regular season

http://www.mysynergysports.com/synergystats/?away=lakers&home=lakers

Go on the team page if its not already there then "Go to plays" and then "Regular season"

-Dwight got 49% of all postups the Lakers ran. His production was .74 points per play when posting up. Synergy says its Below Average
- Pau got 14.32 of all postups the Lakers ran. His production was .86 points per play when posting up. Synergy says its average production
- Kobe nearly 23% of all postups the Lakers ran. His production was 1.05 points per play when posting up. Synergy says its Good


Lets look at "Playoffs"

- Dwight got 49% of all postups the Lakers ran. His production was .70 points per play. Synergy says even though his production dipped, compared to postups to the rest of the players in the playoffs his production was "Good"
- Pau got 32% of all postsups the Lakers ran. His production was .96 points per play. Synergy said this was good

Theres been very little post play in the post season, Metta has a .50 points per play when it comes to postups and Synergy says that was "Good" in the playoffs
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