Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby The Rock on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:16 pm

Pretty crazy

Check it

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmfdINmLntkUdEtkb0JQVVBtMTFUSzhZTTRFZDBMMmc#gid=0

Pau Gasol is 41st in the league when it comes to points produced per postup (.76)...Dwight isnt any better, .78

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Re: Surprising stats about post ups (Kobe best FG% in all of NBA

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:19 pm

A.) Kobe shoots too much
B.) We should be getting D12 and Pau more touches.
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby The Rock on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:24 pm

If you look in that list, Pau Gasol is dead last in FG% out of the post...31% Lol. Dwight is not bad, 48% which is good for 9th in the NBA. But Dwight turns the ball over too much and hes not converting enough foul shots.
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby The Rock on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:27 pm

This is how it worked when we went to 3 straight finals, we ran the triangle but when it wasnt working we went to Kobe/Gasol pick and roll or a Kobe iso post up, if he draws the defense he passes it to the open guy, if hes one on one he shoots it, pretty simple basketball playing out of your players strengths
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby Weezy on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:36 pm

Not surprising to me at all, Kobe is very good posting up. Isn't that what he started this season doing that had his FG% at an all time high?
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:46 pm

It sure makes sense to spend so little time in the post and launch a second career highest six 3pts shots when you have the best down low FG% in the league , right ?
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Postby borri on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:49 pm

But our coach think the most inefficient play is to throw it into the post.
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby The Rock on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:49 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:It sure makes sense to spend so little time in the post and launch a second career highest six 3pts shots when you have the best down low FG% in the league , right ?


where would the bigs go if he posts up? I posted an article 2 days ago it said Kobe's FG% skyrockets with only one big on the floor, our offense and our defense is more efficient with one big on the floor. Its pretty simple the twin tower thing doesnt work. Theyre too slow and its too conjested in the paint. Not to mention Ron also likes posting up and teams are not respecting his 3 point shot either
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:50 pm

Weezy wrote:Not surprising to me at all, Kobe is very good posting up. Isn't that what he started this season doing that had his FG% at an all time high?


Actually no , Kobe has never posted up as little as this season since he's a star in this league ... more penetrations and his J being " hot" for a while were the reason he shot a very good FG% in the 1st 2 months of the season
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby The Rock on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:51 pm

borri wrote:But our coach think the most inefficient play is to throw it into the post.


I think he said that in regards to Pau and Dwight. Kobe is still getting a tone of shots in the 15 foot mid post area. Having said that Kobe, Dwight and Pau are all in the top 20 in turnovers out of the post. This is just like last year if you dont have shooters teams are gonna pack the paint so post ups arent optimal either
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby wcsoldier81 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:53 pm

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wcsoldier81 wrote:It sure makes sense to spend so little time in the post and launch a second career highest six 3pts shots when you have the best down low FG% in the league , right ?


where would the bigs go if he posts up? I posted an article 2 days ago it said Kobe's FG% skyrockets with only one big on the floor, our offense and our defense is more efficient with one big on the floor. Its pretty simple the twin tower thing doesnt work. Theyre too slow and its too conjested in the paint. Not to mention Ron also likes posting up and teams are not respecting his 3 point shot either


He wasn't posting much when both D12 and Pau were out ... if you can post up a reasonable amount of time with Bynum and Gasol on the floor , you should be able to do it with D12 and Gasol ...

I call it the Antoni effect
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Postby Weezy on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:54 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:
Weezy wrote:Not surprising to me at all, Kobe is very good posting up. Isn't that what he started this season doing that had his FG% at an all time high?


Actually no , Kobe has never posted up as little as this season since he's a star in this league ... more penetrations and his J being " hot" for a while were the reason he shot a very good FG% in the 1st 2 months of the season


Hmm, maybe it's the start of last season I'm thinking of, the beginning of the Mike Brown era.
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby The Rock on Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:56 pm

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wcsoldier81 wrote:It sure makes sense to spend so little time in the post and launch a second career highest six 3pts shots when you have the best down low FG% in the league , right ?


where would the bigs go if he posts up? I posted an article 2 days ago it said Kobe's FG% skyrockets with only one big on the floor, our offense and our defense is more efficient with one big on the floor. Its pretty simple the twin tower thing doesnt work. Theyre too slow and its too conjested in the paint. Not to mention Ron also likes posting up and teams are not respecting his 3 point shot either


He wasn't posting much when both D12 and Pau were out ... if you can post up a reasonable amount of time with Bynum and Gasol on the floor , you should be able to do it with D12 and Gasol ...

I call it the Antoni effect


Thats why I said with only one big on the floor, thats the optimal lineup. Having both or none still hurts.
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby The Rock on Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:05 pm

The only other team that has a twin tower lineup thats comparable to ours last few years is Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph

Gasol, .93 points per postup
Zach Randolph .86 points per postup

Gasol turns it over only 8% of the time in the post
Randolph turns it over only 10% of the time in the post
( In comparison Dwight turns it over 20% , Kobe 13%, Pau 11%)

Free throws Marc Gasol 87% , Randolph 75%

FG% out of the post...Dwight 48%, Marc Gasol 42%, Zach Randolph 44%

Turnovers and free throws are just screwing things up right now, say what you want about Dwights post moves hes still shooting a higher % from the field when he posts up than those two guys but hes gotta stop turning the ball over and we can live with his poor free throw shooting...its one or the other


Good start to rectifying that today

https://twitter.com/LakersReporter/status/294887916847640576

Dwight Howard is staying well after shootaround working on keeping the ball high (has been getting stripped), FT’s & now a baby hook.




Pau is likely a goner, he doesnt turn the ball over, he shoots a high FT% and yet the results are poor when it comes to post ups hes just not converting them at an adequate rate, he is getting plenty of opportunities down there
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby karacha on Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:11 pm

I like that Dwight knows what his problems are and is doing something to make it better. I actually do like his production, but looking at his turnovers... he could do so much more. Unfortunately, this means that Pau eventually has to go. Keep Clark and eventually find another athletic 4/5 who can play.
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby Snakell Beast on Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:23 pm

I just wish Kobe was 6'10 like Durant. He would be the most dominant scorer of all time BY A WIDE MARGIN.
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:11 pm

The Rock wrote:Pretty crazy

Check it

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmfdINmLntkUdEtkb0JQVVBtMTFUSzhZTTRFZDBMMmc#gid=0

Pau Gasol is 41st in the league when it comes to points produced per postup (.76)...Dwight isnt any better, .78

TrueHoop posted this

can you post the link to the TrueHoop page where they posted this??? I want to share it with some people I know.
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby therealdeal on Fri Jan 25, 2013 2:53 pm

Snakell Beast wrote:I just wish Kobe was 6'10 like Durant. He would be the most dominant scorer of all time BY A WIDE MARGIN.

Or better yet I wish Kobe was 7'1" like Chamberlain. He would be the most dominant scorer of all time by a WIDER MARGIN.
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby Herm24 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:06 pm

Don't show D'anotni this because .. Remember .. A post up is the least efficient play in basketball
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby Chillbongo on Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:22 pm

^ LOL

Well all signs point to the Triangle. I'll take Rambis at this point. Shaw would be ideal. I'll still take Sloan. All of them have played offenses with post players.

Also I do wish Kobe had more size but you have to remember he wouldn't necessarily be as agile or have as good footwork. Or be as strong...Durant's weak but his stroke is wettt
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby Armani on Fri Jan 25, 2013 3:40 pm

Well, that's nice. Irrelevant stat, of course... seeing as to how D'Anotni don't like them post ups. :man2:
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:35 pm

This doesn't surprise me that much. I've always thought he's been our best post up player for a couple reasons. First most post players play against post defenders.... who practice post defense. Kobe goes in the post against shooting guards....

Second, he's flat out got a great mid-range game and is very good with his back to the basket.
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby The Rock on Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:10 pm

Battle Tested20 wrote:
The Rock wrote:Pretty crazy

Check it

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmfdINmLntkUdEtkb0JQVVBtMTFUSzhZTTRFZDBMMmc#gid=0

Pau Gasol is 41st in the league when it comes to points produced per postup (.76)...Dwight isnt any better, .78

TrueHoop posted this

can you post the link to the TrueHoop page where they posted this??? I want to share it with some people I know.


I looked everywhere for the link but cant find it. But heres the Jazz radio guy and the Lakers official reporter pointing to this document

https://twitter.com/Lockedonsports/status/294884831312093184

Re tweet from @TrueHoop @lakersreporter here are the players with 80 post ups or more... http://fb.me/JGVDKiAr


https://twitter.com/LakersReporter/stat%20...%206731101184
The first time I saw that stat about Howard/Jefferson low post touches was @Lockedonsports.
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 6:15 pm

^Thanks Rock
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Re: Surprising stats about post ups(Kobe best FG% in all of NBA)

Postby Jazzygirl205 on Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:18 pm

Wish he'd post up more..
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