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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby halekulani on Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:55 pm

lakerfan2 wrote:and ALL of those players were projected top 3 picks who left in their freshman year...uhh.

one bad game in the tournament means you're out. how does that translate to a 7 game series in the playoffs?

what does being a top 3 pick have to do with anything? you are suggesting the competition at the ncaa level isn't worth it. i'm asking why isn't it worth it outside of the nba obviously offering tougher competition.

the point i'm trying to make is that they still faced tough competition in college. if college were such inferior talent, they should still win, single elimination or not. why is it so bad that these young kids face some adversity to grow and develop before reaching the professional level? just because you are a freshman projected to go into the lottery doesn't mean you can't benefit from college. not all people come out of the gates like damian lillard. even kobe took a few years to polish before breaking out to start for the lakers. while 'some' can develop to their potential under the pro model, not all freshman lottery picks do.

people insist the nba can groom raw players better. money aside, how many franchises do you actually believe know how to 'develop' their drafted talent? some talent will grow on their own, regardless of the team. however, a lot of talent will not see their full potential unless traded into the right circumstance.
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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby Frank Dux on Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:23 pm

last stand wrote:well the benefit to getting #1 overall is at worst you get a top 4 pick. with the 5th record you could very well land the 8th pick just as much as the 3rd pick

getting the 3rd worst record is beneficial for us because then worst case scenario is we get the 6th and at 6 you might be able to have exum force his way to the lakers because it's only two spots.



And this is the exact reason why I don't want this team deciding they want to go on a cute run to end the season. If we end up with the worst record in the league we are guaranteed a top 4 pick. I like those odds.

Simply put, if we end up with the sixth seed, we could very would be drafting in the 9th position and get stuck with only Aaron Gordon(tweener) after this awful season. I don't like the thought of that at all. This is our chance right now to secure a stud on a rookie contract, this is pretty much our only chance to do that for a long time
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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby last stand on Thu Feb 27, 2014 8:29 pm

therealdeal wrote:Both of you are right. The worse you are, the better chance at the highest pick.

But the history of the draft has proven that the worst team almost never gets the number one pick.


I think 3rd is the best spot. At worst you're 6. At absolute worst. So exum could conceivably force his way to the lakers still

Minimal drop with a chance at the top 2

I'm hoping for 3, top 2 isn't happening. Milwaukee is hopless and Philly is actualy trying to lose
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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby halekulani on Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:13 pm

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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby last stand on Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:44 am

i'd rather have lavine than most of the available prospects if we are unlucky enough to be picking past 6
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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby Jordan-esque on Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:22 am

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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby Savory Griddles on Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:59 am

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With all the talk lately, that is a BOLD Instagram by Exum.

I'll be honest, the fact that he seemingly WANTS to play here so badly puts him above everyone not named Wiggins or Parker in my book; despite the "mystery" that surrounds him.
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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby charvin on Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:05 am

While it is a bold picture, you still take the best player on the board if you hold one of the Top 3 picks. I'm not a fan of going out of the way to pick Exum because he "wants" to play here.
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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby therealdeal on Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:10 am

I like Exum. I want to see what his official measurements come in at. I want to see him play a little bit somewhere against NBA level prospects.

But the fact that he's so into LA makes me very curious. And he seems to be about winning. If we pick 4th then I want him.
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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby lakerfan2 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:12 am

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lakerfan2 wrote:and ALL of those players were projected top 3 picks who left in their freshman year...uhh.

one bad game in the tournament means you're out. how does that translate to a 7 game series in the playoffs?

what does being a top 3 pick have to do with anything? you are suggesting the competition at the ncaa level isn't worth it. i'm asking why isn't it worth it outside of the nba obviously offering tougher competition.

the point i'm trying to make is that they still faced tough competition in college. if college were such inferior talent, they should still win, single elimination or not. why is it so bad that these young kids face some adversity to grow and develop before reaching the professional level? just because you are a freshman projected to go into the lottery doesn't mean you can't benefit from college. not all people come out of the gates like damian lillard. even kobe took a few years to polish before breaking out to start for the lakers. while 'some' can develop to their potential under the pro model, not all freshman lottery picks do.

people insist the nba can groom raw players better. money aside, how many franchises do you actually believe know how to 'develop' their drafted talent? some talent will grow on their own, regardless of the team. however, a lot of talent will not see their full potential unless traded into the right circumstance.
if you want a long career you hope to god the spurs draft you because they actually can teach players the skills required to succeed in the league. you hope you don't end up on a franchise with a broken locker room and no veterans to show you the ropes.


i'm not saying these kids can't benefit from staying in college. i'm saying that for these kids projected 1-14, the benefits of going on to the NBA outweigh that of staying in college.

money is a HUGE factor. hate it or not, a player can lose out on millions if he decided to stay another year "to develop" and somehow injures himself. this is guaranteed money.

again, we're talking about these LOTTERY picks. these guys WILL end up on bad teams. that's the name of the game. there are two factors to a player breaking out in the NBA 1. His own damn will. If he wants to become a better player, do so. Some players lack the drive to put themselves out there. And fall out of the lottery. 2. The team. Some teams DO do a better job at grooming players, but it's not the end of the world.
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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:19 am

I didn't think this organization was actually trying to tank on purposes until I saw our two newly acquired assets eating up all the minutes. This team is definitely in full tank mode and i'm loving it.

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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:20 am

Yup. case in point Marcus "not very" Smart. From a projected no. 1 to NOT gonna be a top 3 pick
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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:22 am

Money corrupts or at least degrades the system. The kids want to jump to the NBA ASAP, supposedly for the money just in case they get injured, but presumably because their high school hype might fall back down to earth once we see how they stack up in college. It definitely to their benefit to get drafted as soon as they can, while they still have health and popularity.

The other side of it is that the owners want cheap rookie talent, and they use the players to both save money and hype the roster. If the hype doesn't pan out, the shoestring budget coach benches them, since he probably doesn't have the time to develop players when the GM is breathing down his neck demanding wins.
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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby last stand on Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:49 am

Here's the question I've been asking myself

Exum is 18, he's a full year younger than the big 3. A full year. The question is because he is athletically and physically he's a top 5 guy in this class. He's tall and quick for his size while having a natural fluidity

So him being a year younger is it fair to say that if he was a year older he may be on par with the big 3. I think that's the most overlooked thing in this whole discussion is exum is freakin 18 years old and some people think he's surpassed Parker.

I've been staunch in saying you draft the top 3 ahead of exum without fail and that exum is the guy if you pick 4th

However his age, ability, athleticism and incredible desire to be a laker intrigue me on top of the fact that the last young guard with european background and an NBA father we drafted was Kobe so I'm partial
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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby Punk-101 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:17 pm

Things are gonna be real interesting if we get a top 3 pick or Embiid, Parker, Wiggins fall to the point where we have to choose between one of them and Exum.
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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby Center Court on Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:23 pm

just to throw this out there..

he did play against some of the top USA talent at the Nike Hoops Summit USA Vs World last year.

Team USA included: Jabari, Gordon, Vonleh, Hollis-Jefferson, Julius Randle

World included: Wiggins, Embiid and Dante.

He had a pretty good game and did so against Rondae and Air Gordon guarding him.

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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby TheOp on Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:24 pm

I really hope we dont do anything stupid. I actually kind of want Wiggins in this draft so im hoping for 2nd overall. His freakish athletic ability and potential intrigue me.

Is it a stretch to think Wiggins could be the next Paul George?
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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:39 pm

^only if he gets a steady diet of PEDs the next couple of years like George did.
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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby LakerJack on Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:28 pm

Anyone of the top three, Embiid, Wiggins or Parker would help right away. Randle is ahead of Exum in my opinion. Solid power forward is hard to find. Lakers and Kobe cant wait for a project guard.
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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby Doc Brown on Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:31 pm

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:^only if he gets a steady diet of PEDs the next couple of years like George did.


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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby LakersN4 on Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:56 pm

Best case scenarios: The most unlikely, we somehow S&T Pau or Hill for a 2nd 1st, or get it by renouncing our FA's & trading for a long term contract on a good but overpaid player & get the 1st for taking on the salary.. Draft Embiid/Wiggins/Parker & Exum.. or we land the #1 overall & trade down to a team like the Magic (Harris or Vucevic + their pick) or the Bucks (Sanders or Henson + their pick) & still get Exum.
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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby halekulani on Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:20 pm

lakerfan2 wrote:
i'm not saying these kids can't benefit from staying in college. i'm saying that for these kids projected 1-14, the benefits of going on to the NBA outweigh that of staying in college.

money is a HUGE factor. hate it or not, a player can lose out on millions if he decided to stay another year "to develop" and somehow injures himself. this is guaranteed money.

again, we're talking about these LOTTERY picks. these guys WILL end up on bad teams. that's the name of the game. there are two factors to a player breaking out in the NBA 1. His own damn will. If he wants to become a better player, do so. Some players lack the drive to put themselves out there. And fall out of the lottery. 2. The team. Some teams DO do a better job at grooming players, but it's not the end of the world.

it's not about hating it or not. i'm just saying there's no point trying to sugar coat or tip toe about it saying they don't have relevant competition or that they'd have better trainers or more hours devoted etc. like i said, the money argument is everything. at the end of the day, none of the counters to any of those will amount to the money argument nor will the sum of counters beat that singular argument in your eyes.

i understand why a lot of fans sympathize with the players for injury, but honestly, if you think about what is best for the lakers organization or any team in general, you want to minimize risk. if you draft X player with potential and he goes down with an injury or doesn't pan out as we hope, ok great we're paying him millions of dollars and used a high pick on him, but sympathy won't get us wins or championships. sure the downside to waiting is the cost of opportunity to draft them now vs later but that's besides the point. if these players develop in college, in the long run it can build a stronger league.

like honestly, why is it so much better to have a league with teams developing players over 2-3 years before they break out when they could have nba ready players from the start?
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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

Postby Rooscooter on Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:49 pm

V.V.V.V.V. wrote:Money corrupts or at least degrades the system. The kids want to jump to the NBA ASAP, supposedly for the money just in case they get injured, but presumably because their high school hype might fall back down to earth once we see how they stack up in college. It definitely to their benefit to get drafted as soon as they can, while they still have health and popularity.

The other side of it is that the owners want cheap rookie talent, and they use the players to both save money and hype the roster. If the hype doesn't pan out, the shoestring budget coach benches them, since he probably doesn't have the time to develop players when the GM is breathing down his neck demanding wins.


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Re: Tank Talk: what to do, who to sign, where we draft?

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