The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby Doc Brown on Wed May 22, 2013 3:14 pm

Finishing At the Rim
Published by Mike Trudell on May 22, 2013 11:28 am in Off-Season.
Finishing shots at the rim at a high rate of efficiency is a category that can make a big difference over the course of an NBA season.

Whether through front court or back court players, having an elevated conversion percentage inside goes a long way towards overall offensive efficiency, where the Lakers finished eighth on the season (105.8) amongst NBA teams.

Here’s how each player fared from five feet and in*:
*Statistics courtesy of Hoopdata.com.

Above 65 Percent
Steve Nash: 61 makes in 86 attempts, 70.9%
Dwight Howard: 357 for 507, 70.4%
Kobe Bryant: 264 for 379, 69.7% (highest percentage since 2007)
Steve Blake: 19 for 28, 67.9%
Antawn Jamison: 127 for 188, 67.6%
Pau Gasol: 124 for 186, 66.7%
Earl Clark: 76 for 115, 66.1%
Jordan Hill: 45 for 69, 65.2%

60 Percent and Below
Robert Sacre: 9 for 15, 60.0%
Metta World Peace: 126 for 215, 58.6%
Chris Duhon: 6 for 11, 54.5%
Jodie Meeks: 59 for 110, 53.6%
Devin Ebanks: 10 for 19, 52.6%
Darius Morris: 38 for 74, 51.4%

Bryant’s 69.7 success rate certainly stands out, as he continued his steady improvement of the last four years (from a low of 58.6 percent in 2010) despite his increasing age. Meanwhile, Howard’s 70.4 percent rate is his lowest since 2007, down from 74.4 percent in the previous season, which one could ascribe at least in part to his season-long recovery from 2012 back surgery.

Gasol’s 186 attempts at the rim is very low considering his skill set. Clearly his appearing in only 49 games had something to do with that; however, the Spaniard averaged just 3.9 attempts at the rim, continuing a downward trend from 5.8 per game in 2010. Figuring out how to get Gasol touches in the post with Howard and Bryant attempting nearly 900 shots from that range was certainly a challenge for coach Mike D’Antoni, though it improved late in the season.

On the other hand, certain Lakers struggled to finish at the rim, with Metta World Peace (58.6 percent) joining younger players Jodie Meeks (53.6 percent) and Darius Morris (51.4 percent). Minimal attempts from others (Steve Blake, Chris Duhon and Devin Ebanks) make the respective rate of conversion less impactful.

For comparison’s sake: Always among league leaders inside, Tony Parker made 68.8 percent this season, below both Nash and Bryant. Chris Paul was at 69.5 percent, Mike Conley 57.9, James Harden 63.0, Russell Westbrook 61.6, Stephen Curry 59.2. One guard, Dwyane Wade, managed to make an impressive 74.7 percent of his shots at the rim, way up from around 66 percent in the last two seasons.

The 2013 MVP, LeBron James, hit an absurd 78.3 percent of his shots at the rim. Kevin Durant wasn’t so bad himself, converting 75.1 percent. Those two stand far above another elite wing scorer, Carmelo Anthony, who made just 54.9 percent at the rim.

Amongst other NBA bigs, Chris Bosh hit 75.5 percent, Tim Duncan 71.8, LaMarcus Aldridge 71.2, Marc Gasol 67.1, Joakim Noah 62.0, Brook Lopez 69.4, Zach Randolph 59.4, Roy Hibbert 53.6.

As we can see, L.A.’s top four players rank amongst the league’s best finishers.


Jodie and Morris. :freak2:
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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed May 22, 2013 3:17 pm

Metta. :hurl:
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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby therealdeal on Wed May 22, 2013 3:21 pm

Screw Jodie and Morris, those guys are scrubs and paid like it. Our 7 million dollar man was only 58.6% around the rim this season. And that's his supposed strength?

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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby Chillbongo on Wed May 22, 2013 3:30 pm

therealdeal wrote:Screw Jodie and Morris, those guys are scrubs and paid like it. Our 7 million dollar man was only 58.6% around the rim this season. And that's his supposed strength?

Goodness...

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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby Doc Brown on Wed May 22, 2013 3:36 pm

Not only did they suck at finishing at the rim, they didn't finish from the behind the line either....

3 point rank in the entire league....

Jodie - 85th
MWP - 101st

Waste of space.
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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby therealdeal on Wed May 22, 2013 3:52 pm

Chillbongo wrote:
therealdeal wrote:Screw Jodie and Morris, those guys are scrubs and paid like it. Our 7 million dollar man was only 58.6% around the rim this season. And that's his supposed strength?

Goodness...

Did I hear real say amnesty?

Damn straight. Get the guy out of here for that price.
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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby Rooscooter on Wed May 22, 2013 3:58 pm

All this talk about finishing at the rim and nothing about Pau's lack of attempts at the rim?

Pretty hard to take a shot from 4 feet when you're facing the 3 point line looking for MWP or Morris for an open 3.... even when you're 7'1" tall and very skilled in the post.... but hey. He make people better right?
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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby Doc Brown on Wed May 22, 2013 4:02 pm

Rooscooter wrote:All this talk about finishing at the rim and nothing about Pau's lack of attempts at the rim?

Pretty hard to take a shot from 4 feet when you're facing the 3 point line looking for MWP or Morris for an open 3.... even when you're 7'1" tall and very skilled in the post.... but hey. He make people better right?


Good luck getting those comments out of people writing articles for LA. Their noses are so brown with poo poo that they wouldn't say anything bad about the players, even if they had to.

Writing to keep a job, instead of writing to present the facts (whether good or bad) is sadly what most of these articles are based on.
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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby Chillbongo on Wed May 22, 2013 4:04 pm

Rooscooter wrote:All this talk about finishing at the rim and nothing about Pau's lack of attempts at the rim?

Pretty hard to take a shot from 4 feet when you're facing the 3 point line looking for MWP or Morris for an open 3.... even when you're 7'1" tall and very skilled in the post.... but hey. He make people better right?

Well it's hard when you miss 40 games and for 20% of those you came off the bench, and a number of the rest you were playing the "stretch 4"....Yeah he could do a lot better if healthy and operated in his zone. Percentage wise we can't be upset. I'm not sure if you were blaming Pau or MDA but there was a lack of attempts.
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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby Chillbongo on Wed May 22, 2013 4:08 pm

Doc Brown wrote:Not only did they suck at finishing at the rim, they didn't finish from the behind the line either....

3 point rank in the entire league....

Jodie - 85th
MWP - 101st

Waste of space.

Jodi was 85th? :hurl:
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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby pound4pound1 on Wed May 22, 2013 4:16 pm

Jodie's the only guy that, when he's about 3 feet away from the basket, that i yell 'PASS THE BALL!!'
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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby Weezy on Wed May 22, 2013 4:47 pm

As a TEAM, we have to be one of the worst at finishing at the rim in the league. If not for Kobe, Dwight, Nash when he's right, and Pau (as the article points out), and Jamison with his scoop shots and put-back layups, we are horrible. I refuse to believe Steve Blake made 19 shots at the rim this season either, I don't even remember him attempting more than 5 layups the entire season, I remember him dribbling to the rim, and running right under it/past it to go to the other side of the court, he doesn't even try layups. We definitely need to start getting some guys that can not only get to the rim, but can finish there, making a damn layup should be one of the easiest things a player can do, that's fundamentals they teach in grade school.
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Postby gcclaker on Wed May 22, 2013 4:55 pm

Morris? You mean, the same Morris who had an uncontested reverse lay-up during the Houston game that chose to dribble it out to the key and pass it to someone? That Morris?
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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby lakersin4 on Wed May 22, 2013 5:02 pm

If we get rid of some of our useless players & add some athletes these %'s should improve along with our defense.
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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby Frank Dux on Wed May 22, 2013 6:23 pm

Damning evidence. I know there are a few people still defending Meeks and Morris, but this should put it to rest. They aren't NBA rotation players. I bet Kyle Korver and Steve Novak convert 3 pointers at a higher percentage than Meeks and Morris do at the rim. And it's not like those guys bring anything else to the team besides fake hustle either. Worthless.

On a more positive note... We all knew Kobe was brilliant this season, but man, it's great to see those numbers at the rim. Elite.

Also, Melo isn't even 55% at the rim? He's what, 28-29 years old? What an overrated player. He can't pass(or doesn't), doesn't defend, is Derek Fisher like at the rim, and sucks in the playoffs. Sorry Knick fans, but this guy is not an elite player, and it's laughable that a lot of Knick fans were saying this guy is better than Durant, and even a few were stupid enough to say he should be the league MVP over Lebron. NOPE.
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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby Rooscooter on Thu May 23, 2013 7:36 am

Chillbongo wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:All this talk about finishing at the rim and nothing about Pau's lack of attempts at the rim?

Pretty hard to take a shot from 4 feet when you're facing the 3 point line looking for MWP or Morris for an open 3.... even when you're 7'1" tall and very skilled in the post.... but hey. He make people better right?

Well it's hard when you miss 40 games and for 20% of those you came off the bench, and a number of the rest you were playing the "stretch 4"....Yeah he could do a lot better if healthy and operated in his zone. Percentage wise we can't be upset. I'm not sure if you were blaming Pau or MDA but there was a lack of attempts.


I was pointing out that Pau as a facilitator in the post 4 or 5 feet from the hoop is a bad thing. He is very talented in the post yet his first thought when he touches the ball is to pass.... most times he never even looks for a shot or recognizes who's guarding him. In the series against SA he several times had mismatches in the post and would pass to Morris or Duhon on the perimeter rather than even think about shooting it. I was also pointing out that when a player of that skill level uses to pass rather than attack the rim it's not a good thing IMO. To bring it full circle..... note his past ability to finish at the rim and the % of the ones he's passing to. Smart play would dictate that he knows those two things wouldn't it? Why pass to a chump who will either miss or dribble it out of bounds over taking a 4' shot? That's been Pau in a nutshell for 2.5 years....
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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu May 23, 2013 8:13 am

Just for the fun .

Fisher at the rim :

2011-2012 : 24/52 46.2%
2010-2011 : 42/79 53.2%

2009-2010 : 41/101 40.6%
2008-2009 : 45/122 36.9%
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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu May 23, 2013 8:20 am

therealdeal wrote:Screw Jodie and Morris, those guys are scrubs and paid like it. Our 7 million dollar man was only 58.6% around the rim this season. And that's his supposed strength?

Goodness...


Postin up and finishing at the rim are different things ... Ron never shot above 61% at the rim in his career ..

He shot less than 53% in 2009-2010 ...
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Postby trodgers on Thu May 23, 2013 8:38 am

wcsoldier81 wrote:Just for the fun .

Fisher at the rim :

2011-2012 : 24/52 46.2%
2010-2011 : 42/79 53.2%

2009-2010 : 41/101 40.6%
2008-2009 : 45/122 36.9%
2007-2008 : 61/146 41.8%

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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby Chillbongo on Thu May 23, 2013 10:51 am

No arguments from me Roo, I agree that has been a frustrating aspect of Pau's game last couple of years. If he does stay a Laker and the FAST procedure is effective, I'm hoping to see a little more aggression from him taking it to the hole. If he's going to play the facilitator role he should be giving it to guys in a position of high likelihood to score, otherwise yes, I'd rather have him go to the rim.
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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby Doc Brown on Thu May 23, 2013 1:30 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:Just for the fun .

Fisher at the rim :

2011-2012 : 24/52 46.2%
2010-2011 : 42/79 53.2%

2009-2010 : 41/101 40.6%
2008-2009 : 45/122 36.9%
2007-2008 : 61/146 41.8%


The saving grace with that though is his clutch shooting negated everything about them awful stats you posted. These other guys just suck and then compound that with more suck.

At least with 2 minutes left in the 4th you knew Fisher would hit the shot.
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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu May 23, 2013 4:34 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:Just for the fun .

Fisher at the rim :

2011-2012 : 24/52 46.2%
2010-2011 : 42/79 53.2%

2009-2010 : 41/101 40.6%
2008-2009 : 45/122 36.9%
2007-2008 : 61/146 41.8%


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Postby Frank Dux on Thu May 23, 2013 4:49 pm

Anyone have Fisher's pre game layup line stat?
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Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu May 23, 2013 5:09 pm

^ lol
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Re: The Anti-Jodie...Finishing at the Rim

Postby khmrP on Tue May 28, 2013 11:15 am

Even if he made the min I wouldn't want him back, he's just a waste of space/money. Effort is nice but production matters too.
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