The Lakers continue to overlook Pau Gasol in their offense

The Lakers continue to overlook Pau Gasol in their offense

Postby emplay on Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:20 pm

Hey all,

Here are some updates:

The Lakers continue to overlook Pau Gasol in their offense
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 4225.story

Also:

Mike D'Antoni qualifies the Lakers are old-er and slow-er
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 7166.story

Upcoming schedule could decide Lakers' fate
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 7169.story

Lakers reassign Robert Sacre to D-Fenders
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 4674.story

Kobe Bryant joins Twitter
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 2241.story

Clippers withstand Lakers' late rally for 107-102 win
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 9352.story

Chris Duhon in for Lakers; Jamal Crawford out for Clippers
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 8668.story

Thanks!

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Re: The Lakers continue to overlook Pau Gasol in their offense

Postby Punk-101 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:24 pm

....for good reason.
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Re: The Lakers continue to overlook Pau Gasol in their offense

Postby dwighthowardsdad on Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:29 pm

Overlooking Gasol? You could make a case if this was the 09-10 Gasol. Unfortunately, we're in 2013, and his health, skills, mental psyche or what ever it is have eroded to the point where he needs to be coming of the bench...
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Re: The Lakers continue to overlook Pau Gasol in their offense

Postby The Rock on Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:29 pm

Hes shooting 31% in the post up opportunities why should he get more shots in there? Hes finished
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Re: The Lakers continue to overlook Pau Gasol in their offense

Postby borri on Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:29 pm

emplay wrote:
The Lakers continue to overlook Pau Gasol in their offense
http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakersnow ... 4225.story



Not. This.
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Postby diehard on Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:31 pm

Sacre is being sent down to get into game shape because the overlooked one is getting his arse shipped out :jam2:
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Re: The Lakers continue to overlook Pau Gasol in their offense

Postby wcsoldier81 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:37 pm

Crazy how very few LA medias have stated the obvious about Pau and keep using the same BS system related excuse ... I have always wondered how a legendary franchise like the Lakers could be surrounded by such soft medias in period of struggles
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Postby Forward Three on Sat Jan 05, 2013 1:05 pm

You know, whenever they cut to Jamison lately you always think "man, he probably feels pretty [Swearing is not permitted at Clublakers. You must edit this post prior to submitting.] to be inexplicably anchored to the bench" but then when you watch Pau play you think "Wow, he just doesn't even care about playing professional basketball anymore"
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Postby DEEP3CL on Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:02 pm

Just because you get the ball in certain spots on the floor doesn't mean you have to settle for that spot or shot. That's being robotic, if Pau is at the elbow then put the ball on the floor and drive it to the rack strong. He's not doing that.
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Re: The Lakers continue to overlook Pau Gasol in their offense

Postby Doc Brown on Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:49 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:Crazy how very few LA medias have stated the obvious about Pau and keep using the same BS system related excuse ... I have always wondered how a legendary franchise like the Lakers could be surrounded by such soft medias in period of struggles


This. I wish people would just call a spade a spade in this situation and stop making excuses for Pau.

Shooting 31% in the post and we are supposed to be feeding him more down there?

Meeks is God awful finishing around the rim, let's get him more looks down there. Sounds about right, using the Pau needs to do this, needs to be here, has to be fed like this crap.

Pau gets the ball at the 3 point line and he HAS to shoot it? He can't dribble, make a move and do anything with it.

Pau gets the ball at the elbow and he HAS to shoot it? He can't dribble, make a move do anything with it.

Sounds to me like he is a one trick pony that should be getting half the mini-MLE if he can't play D, can't shoot and can only be effective in the post, even though he isn't.
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Re: The Lakers continue to overlook Pau Gasol in their offense

Postby dmaul on Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:15 pm

Hey, I'm all for this line of reasoning. We're overlooking Pau. Not using him correctly. He's in the wrong system. Look what he did in the Olympics, he can still be that player, etc. Whatever it takes to convince other GMs in this league that he's worth every bit of that 19 mil and you should take him off our hands. He's a steal, come and get him.
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Re: The Lakers continue to overlook Pau Gasol in their offense

Postby Ariza3 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:29 pm

honestly pau plays well when we run the offense through him and nash as facilitators. everyone should be passing and sharing the ball obv but when pau is at the elbow and we play horns he does well. as well as he can at this point. 5+ assists per game is solid and we need to go back to that when we won 5 straight imo. majority of the blame is on pau himself for not being aggressive and assertive, looking to score, etc but also dantoni for going away from that for the clips which worked when we were winning.
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Re: The Lakers continue to overlook Pau Gasol in their offense

Postby Helljumper on Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:38 pm

dmaul wrote:Hey, I'm all for this line of reasoning. We're overlooking Pau. Not using him correctly. He's in the wrong system. Look what he did in the Olympics, he can still be that player, etc. Whatever it takes to convince other GMs in this league that he's worth every bit of that 19 mil and you should take him off our hands. He's a steal, come and get him.


This. If the LA media wants to spin it to make it look as if Pau is just being misused instead of being a terrible player on a terrible contract, go ahead. There's no way in hell Mitch actually buys into this logic. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if we soon got a statement from Mitch: "Pau's talents aren't being maximized in this system, but at this time we have no intentions of trading him since he is still far too talented and we think he can figure out a way to contribute to our title run." Something like that would confirm that a Pau trade is imminent.
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Re: The Lakers continue to overlook Pau Gasol in their offense

Postby dmaul on Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:02 pm

^ yeah, that'll be the death knell for Pau, when you hear Mitch say he's safe. For all we know, he may have started it already with the let's see how everything gibes when Nash comes back or Nash can reinvigorate Pau lines of thinking. Got to credit Mitch, he knew when to sell this stock at the exact time and got screwed over. Here's hoping he's got another miracle up his sleave.

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Postby 432J on Sat Jan 05, 2013 4:36 pm

overlooking him?
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he's done. he can't be successful playing alongside dwight anyways. maybe if this was 08-08 pau then it would be a different story but this is 2013 pau. he's on the decline quickly
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Postby KareemTheGreat33 on Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:27 pm

It was over two years ago. hot flaming pus
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Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:59 pm

While I respect Emplay.... I respectfully disagree with this assessment. Pau is physically not the same as he was a few years ago.... and at this age he isn't gaining that back. Last night he was absolutely horrible the CLOSER he got to the hoop... just as he's been all season. He freaking airballed a 3 footer and threw a hook from 5 off the side of the board.... Nope.. where he's getting the ball has little to do with his issues IMHO..
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Re: The Lakers continue to overlook Pau Gasol in their offense

Postby MC on Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:25 am

god people make me laugh........

gasol is shooting worse from the post this year....

it has nothing to do with him being completely shot..lol.... it has everything to do with what a player is being asked to sharpen skill wise within the context of an offense. His role the last 2 YEARS for the LAKERS is as a stretch 4, rebounding dummy.

Why wouldn't his post game drop off if he's never really asked to play down there and has been told his role is too operate from he perimeter? you think he's working on his post game during practice considering this role his COACH is asking him to play?

why wouldn't his mentality be shot if he was traded at one time to only have it nullified and than told you are a stretch 4 dummy out there as a 7 foot big?

They should not feature Gasol by any means, but by completely misusing him you are not exactly helping the player be the best he can possibly be....

That is ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL on coaching...........more than half of Gasols drop off is because of the 2 clowns this FO hired....make no mistake about it. Sure there is a drop off in his game, he's a bit older now, but these 2 azz clowns we have had for coaching are magnifying his weaknesses by showing off their inability to do their own darn jobs.

he seems to be fine playing for Spain...and against good competition...... what's the difference here... oh ya, he's asked to play his natural natural spots on the floor that features what he can still do by coaches that still show they believe in him using his talent PROPERLY..... and he's operating with another big which is his brother.

Gasol has dropped off some but his biggest issues are the 2 guys listed below and the guy(s) who hired them

bonehead #1 Brown

bonehead#2 MDA

both trying to use him as a stretch 4/rebounder....

hilarious

maybe if they want to go on the cheap they should see what the Spain coach is doing? he seems to know how to work two bigs while still playing fast........ you think he might be interested in the gig? he couldn't be any worse of a fit than we have now.
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Postby Delicious on Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:24 am

I just watched this video and it gave me butterflies inside. I know if he is healthy and happy he can do work on the block like this again. The swag he has at the 3:48 mark makes me smirk. Oh the times when I believed we would win every game.

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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:09 am

^^That Pau doesn't exist anymore Puffy.... sad but true I'm afraid.
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Postby The Rock on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:21 am

Here is the full Lakers vs Clippers game. Please re-watch Pau's masterpiece of a performance...grabbing 4 rebs and playing piss poor defense has nothing to do with offense the media out here conveniently ignore that.

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Postby Lakerjones on Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:29 am

I've defended Pau as well as criticized him over these past few years. But it must be said that Pau is at least half to blame for any "overlooking" in the offense. He's been way too hesitant to get into the post when he's had the opportunities under Brown and now under D' Antoni. Mostly when he's the biggest guy on the court with Bynum/Dwight out.
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Postby trodgers on Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:19 pm

MC wrote:god people make me laugh........

gasol is shooting worse from the post this year....

it has nothing to do with him being completely shot..lol.... it has everything to do with what a player is being asked to sharpen skill wise within the context of an offense. His role the last 2 YEARS for the LAKERS is as a stretch 4, rebounding dummy.

Why wouldn't his post game drop off if he's never really asked to play down there and has been told his role is too operate from he perimeter? you think he's working on his post game during practice considering this role his COACH is asking him to play?

why wouldn't his mentality be shot if he was traded at one time to only have it nullified and than told you are a stretch 4 dummy out there as a 7 foot big?

They should not feature Gasol by any means, but by completely misusing him you are not exactly helping the player be the best he can possibly be....

That is ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL on coaching...........more than half of Gasols drop off is because of the 2 clowns this FO hired....make no mistake about it. Sure there is a drop off in his game, he's a bit older now, but these 2 azz clowns we have had for coaching are magnifying his weaknesses by showing off their inability to do their own darn jobs.

he seems to be fine playing for Spain...and against good competition...... what's the difference here... oh ya, he's asked to play his natural natural spots on the floor that features what he can still do by coaches that still show they believe in him using his talent PROPERLY..... and he's operating with another big which is his brother.

Gasol has dropped off some but his biggest issues are the 2 guys listed below and the guy(s) who hired them

bonehead #1 Brown

bonehead#2 MDA

both trying to use him as a stretch 4/rebounder....

hilarious

maybe if they want to go on the cheap they should see what the Spain coach is doing? he seems to know how to work two bigs while still playing fast........ you think he might be interested in the gig? he couldn't be any worse of a fit than we have now.

You know, Kobe is the main scoring threat on this team. Some nights, he's the ONLY scoring threat. He was asked to handle the ball all the time when Nash was out. He has been asked to guard opposing superstars. When he did those things, even if his D has been poor this year, he hasn't lost the ability do the old things he did. He showed the ability to first of all DO WHAT WAS ASKED OF HIM and second of all TO BE ABLE TO RETURN TO OTHER ROLES IF HE IS ASKED TO FILL THEM.

Gasol hasn't done any of those things. He can't play like he used to. He can't (for some reason) move without the ball now. He can't (for some reason) be a reliable post passer. He can't (for some reason) play any D. He can't (for some reason) attack the rim.
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Postby Finwë on Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:46 pm

Rooscooter wrote:While I respect Emplay.... I respectfully disagree with this assessment. Pau is physically not the same as he was a few years ago.... and at this age he isn't gaining that back. Last night he was absolutely horrible the CLOSER he got to the hoop... just as he's been all season. He freaking airballed a 3 footer and threw a hook from 5 off the side of the board.... Nope.. where he's getting the ball has little to do with his issues IMHO..

This, and doc brown's post too.
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Re: The Lakers continue to overlook Pau Gasol in their offense

Postby MC on Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:24 am

trodgers -

how many 7 foot centers are asked to convert to a stretch 4?

How about Nash if he was asked to play PF? would that be Nash's issue to adjust and not coaching?

How about we play Bryant at Center? could he adjust to that so we don't question the coach?

Better yet, lets play Jamison at the 2....... again would it be the players fault?

Bryant has adjusted to his role because he has 2 man or 3 man skill sets............ that is not a stretch. I think we all secretly know trying to make Gasol a stretch 4 was a risky move and it's come out on the disaster side.


Again...... Spain national team seem to get good ball out of Gasol...... and playing beside his brother at that. That good ball was right in between last year and this years NBA season but for a different coaching staff that actually still feature him in his natural spots.

what's the problem here?

oh ya...... 2 coaches that brought in the stretch 4...... 2 man game while everyone else stands still philosophy. Actually, my bag, that is on the OWNERSHIP for wanting pretty fast pace ball instead of thinking about what they have here right in the now.


miss-use of a player is all coaching......... if you put the player in position to succeed and he fails that's a different story. The last 2 years have been nothing but using him just because he's on the roster..... not in a manner that respects he still has very good basketball skills IF he has a coach that will have his back and use him.
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