The Optimistic Thread! (TRD's FREEDOM THREAD!)

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Postby SpencerHarrison on Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:22 pm

Having watched almost every game last season, and literally every game this season - It is night and day.

The speed, chemistry, confidence and excitement is radically improved. That 4th quarter in Sacramento was a beauty to watch. This team has weapons everywhere. The play may drop off, and shots might not fall, but right now we have:

Young - Shot creator and bailout option off the bench
Meeks - Knockdown shooter and part time finisher with good awareness
Williams - Long defense and can stretch the floor
Johnson - Long defense and can stretch the floor
Hill - Freakish offensive rebounding
Blake - Excellent in MDA's scheme and a big time competitor
X - Fearless to a point of being stupid. Gets to the paint and forces action.

I'll stop there. Compared to last year? The bench was non existent. No threats anywhere on the court. Old, slow, frustrated and entitled. Hack a Dwight in close games. Actually thinking Nash was a savior. Our "energy guy" was Metta World Peace. Crazy that Kobe willed them to the playoffs at all.
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Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:30 pm

You know what it's like? It's like a couple years ago when Kobe was out for a stretch of 6 or so games and the rest of the team was playing really well and the Triangle was COOKING. Ball was moving and it was a gas to watch.
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Postby lukewaltonsdad on Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:37 pm

Good victory on the road, nonetheless. We're getting better as a unit; I know our victories haven't been against great teams, but hey, you take who they have on your schedule and you beat the inferior opposition. That's what we're doing. There's been some progress since the beginning of the season and it's nice seeing these guys figuring out how to win games with each other.
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Postby Chillbongo on Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:49 pm

Yeah, some wins have been against lesser teams. But I'll take these:

W vs LAC
W @ HOU
W vs GSW
W @ BKN
W @ DET

3 on the road, which were tight games down the stretch. The BKN game being a back-to-back. The other two were against arguably top 4 teams in the west. Not bad for a team of no-ones with no star in the friking western conference. 10-9.
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Postby Chillbongo on Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:52 pm

LTLakerFan wrote:You know what it's like? It's like a couple years ago when Kobe was out for a stretch of 6 or so games and the rest of the team was playing really well and the Triangle was COOKING. Ball was moving and it was a gas to watch.

Interesting reference. The ball does tend to move more on teams without a superstar, ball-dominant, isolation freak scorer. This team is fun to watch, but I think we can all agree Kobe coming back and hopefully making us a .500-.600 team is better, even if some of the fun in the basketball product is lost. Sometimes winning ain't pretty.
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Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:16 pm

My money is still on Kobe trying to show he can channel Magic better than LeBron when he has players that can bring it. Plus score and score efficiently, with less wait-for-the-double-teams-to-show-off.

I think the hardest adjustment will be for Blake. Maybe he can drop back from running 2 1/2 miles a game to just 2 miles. He shouldn't have to probe as much and expend as much energy, just by knowing where Kobe is on the floor.
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Postby Chillbongo on Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:26 pm

LTLakerFan wrote:My money is still on Kobe trying to show he can channel Magic better than LeBron when he has players that can bring it. Plus score and score efficiently, with less wait-for-the-double-teams-to-show-off.

Right, but what if that's for the better of the team? We shoot a ridiculous volume of 3's. The games 3's don't drop, we lose. If Kobe facilitates the O and we create a more refined version of our offense with a go-to-guy for end of shot clock, is that a bad thing? Sure some players will score less, but I know we'll win more. I love the ball this team is playing, but I'd like it even more if our record was 13-6.

It'll just be a matter of player bringing it in a more refined system, with better shot selection.Kobe will draw attention.
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Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:21 pm

I think we are in agreement? :beer:
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Postby lakersyunowin on Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:10 am

we just need some more time. kobe is looking better and better so far. he needs more time playing with the guys. farmar will eventually come back from injury.
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Postby Ariza3 on Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:47 am

once farmar comes back and kobe has his legs and rhythm it should look better. nash coming off the bench could be cool with the run and gun bench we have when he comes back. Blake another 10 assist game...dudes been balling at the starting PG
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Postby trodgers on Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:38 am

Blake played better tonight.
We shot 49%, handed out 22 assists.
I think that was good news.
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Postby puffyusaf#2 on Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:20 pm

I enjoyed what I saw tonight from most of the guys. Blake did not take a backseat to Kobe nor tried to forcefeed it to Kobe. We still need to get the guys moving without the ball. Right now our biggest problem is rebounding by the big boy spaniard. All in all the team is a half-step off which is understandable with the return of Kobe.
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Postby karacha on Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:43 pm

I agree that the chemistry already looks better. Blake did his job and Kobe was scoring efficiently, which is something he needs to do primarily.

Our role-players did not shoot well, and our defense gets in scramble mode too easily. Which probably would not be so horrible if we had someone to protect the rim, but we don't.

I think Blake and Kobe will be fine, and when Farmar comes back it should all be good. But we'll have to hit the threes. Lots of threes. Or we will lose games. No ifs or buts about it. If that's how we play right now, and it is, then you have to create good shots and hit most of them.
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Postby lukewaltonsdad on Wed Dec 11, 2013 9:18 pm

^Just posted about Farmar; he makes the game easier for that 2nd unit with his ability to break down a defense...an update showed he's making progress but still 'has a long ways to go.' I think we'll get better. Kobe played more off-ball, wasn't as ball dominant, and allowed Steve to do his thing for the most part. We're still early in the season...let's give it time.
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Postby Lakerjones on Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:47 pm

It's a good draft?
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Postby noobiew on Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:29 pm

^ Yes .. Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, Julius Randle, Joel Embiid, Marcus Smart, Dante Exum, Aaron Gordon etc

Hopefully can get one of them next year and lock them long term on a 5 year rookie deal. :man9:
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Postby wcsoldier81 on Thu Dec 12, 2013 11:33 pm

yeah a 10th-12th pick in this year draft is going to be more valuable than a meaningless 1st round exit ... maybe we'll get a pleasant surprise from the lottery results :man10:
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Postby Ariza3 on Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:57 am

after watching backstage lakers episode 11 you can really see that these guys have great chemistry and genuinely like eachother and root for eachother. they play hard for eachother and its only a matter of time before things are clicking again and guys are healthy and we'll be okay
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Postby Doc Brown on Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:28 pm

Something that should be very encouraging for us going forward...

Just as he is being honored by Kia Motors and the NBA with the November Community Assist Award in recognition of his charitable efforts and contributions in the community, the rumor mill keeps churning out trade talk that the Grizzlies are looking to find him a new home. The latest has him going to the Pelicans for Ryan Anderson. “Go figure,” Z-Bo said following the Grizzlies shootaround at New Orleans Arena on Friday.

“Memphis is a place that I’ve come to love and call home and it’s where I would definitely like to retire. I haven’t made any secret of that. Everybody out there knows how I feel. “I look at it like this: I understand it’s a business. I really do understand that. This is a small market team and money plays a factor. I understand all that. It’s different now. I don’t know if it’s just changes in (salary cap) rules or just a change in the way of the world. Like I said, it’s a business. NBA.com

“But yeah, it bothers me. It hurts a little bit. I can’t deny that. But it goes to show you that there ain’t no loyalty in this game. It seems like you only get loyalty in certain organizations. You see it in winning organizations like the Spurs, the Lakers, the Heat.

- See more at: http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.rPr7SxCq.dpuf


It's just one player, but at least our organization is still being mentioned as a winning organization that doesn't do their players dirty.
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Postby karacha on Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:40 pm

Come on, pair the Gasol brothers in Memphis. Who wouldn't want to see that on the basketball court, right? :man1:

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Postby lakersyunowin on Sun Dec 15, 2013 1:16 am

the grizzlies should just give us marc gasol, zach randolph, and mike conley for like.....ryan kelly
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Postby LakerFan1235 on Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:00 pm

Does Pau for Z-bo work? How many years are left on randolph's contract? Though z-bo is slow, I think his jump shot could work well in d'antoni's offense.
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Postby Doc Brown on Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:31 pm

LakerFan1235 wrote:Does Pau for Z-bo work? How many years are left on randolph's contract? Though z-bo is slow, I think his jump shot could work well in d'antoni's offense.


19 million dollar player option for next season. I'd trade for him if he would decline that and resign him for cheaper. Not if he's going to keep that option though.
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Postby LakerFan1235 on Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:39 pm

Hmm 1 more year of that contract wouldn't be the worst thing... Though it kills our flexibility for carmelo. lol
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Postby kenzo on Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:40 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
LakerFan1235 wrote:Does Pau for Z-bo work? How many years are left on randolph's contract? Though z-bo is slow, I think his jump shot could work well in d'antoni's offense.


19 million dollar player option for next season. I'd trade for him if he would decline that and resign him for cheaper. Not if he's going to keep that option though.

He'll keep it. I know i would :man9:
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