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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby Snakell Beast on Sun Jul 27, 2014 11:16 am

Lets Go Lakers wrote:upgraded with Booz over Gasol (yes, it's an upgrade. Gasol was a joke).


I'm pretty sure THAT is a joke...or you just don't know anything about basketball. Beyond the simple fact that Gasol produced 2.7 more PPG, 1.4 more RPG, 1.2 more BPG, and a PER of 19.34 to Boozer's BELOW LEAGUE AVERAGE 14.48...Pau was the primary front court weapon for 3 straight finals appearances, and two championships...and Boozer hasn't even sniffed the finals. Oh, and Pau is 4 inches taller than Boozer also.

I understand being disappointed with our team's (and Gasol's) performance in the post season after our reign ended, and everyone after last season's debacle, but it's a bit ridiculous to go from that, to downplaying Gasol's value to the degree that is not even represented by factual reality.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby LakersN4 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:01 pm

Snakell Beast wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:upgraded with Booz over Gasol (yes, it's an upgrade. Gasol was a joke).


I'm pretty sure THAT is a joke...or you just don't know anything about basketball. Beyond the simple fact that Gasol produced 2.7 more PPG, 1.4 more RPG, 1.2 more BPG, and a PER of 19.34 to Boozer's BELOW LEAGUE AVERAGE 14.48...Pau was the primary front court weapon for 3 straight finals appearances, and two championships...and Boozer hasn't even sniffed the finals. Oh, and Pau is 4 inches taller than Boozer also.

I understand being disappointed with our team's (and Gasol's) performance in the post season after our reign ended, and everyone after last season's debacle, but it's a bit ridiculous to go from that, to downplaying Gasol's value to the degree that is not even represented by factual reality.

Not taking anything away from how great Pau was, but at this point there's not much of a difference between Pau & Boozer. They both rely on jumpers, rebound well, & provide veteran leadership. Boozer only missed 6 games last season & 3 before that.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:06 pm

Snakell Beast wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:upgraded with Booz over Gasol (yes, it's an upgrade. Gasol was a joke).


I'm pretty sure THAT is a joke...or you just don't know anything about basketball. Beyond the simple fact that Gasol produced 2.7 more PPG, 1.4 more RPG, 1.2 more BPG, and a PER of 19.34 to Boozer's BELOW LEAGUE AVERAGE 14.48...Pau was the primary front court weapon for 3 straight finals appearances, and two championships...and Boozer hasn't even sniffed the finals. Oh, and Pau is 4 inches taller than Boozer also.

I understand being disappointed with our team's (and Gasol's) performance in the post season after our reign ended, and everyone after last season's debacle, but it's a bit ridiculous to go from that, to downplaying Gasol's value to the degree that is not even represented by factual reality.


Gasol has been a joke for several years. Getting pushed around like a rag doll and playing no D. Sure, he would flash his offensive brilliance from time to time but the norm for him was getting pushed around and not playing D. I felt his negatives were on par with his positives.

Booz can play. He can also bang and be physical. When he gets minutes, he will produce. He has a deadly midrange and solid post up game. I think for us, Booz is better than Pau. Pau needed a change of sceneary imo. His time passed us years ago.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:21 pm

Boozer is at best an even with Gasol. Pau might have gotten pushed around and is now allergic to physical play but he was a fantastic facilitator from the 4/5. Boozer will give us some better physicality and some decent scoring punch but he won't replace what Pau brought as another initiator on the floor.

To me it's trading one past his prime 4 for another..... difference being about 16 million dollars however.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby therealdeal on Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:42 pm

Rooscooter wrote:Boozer is at best an even with Gasol. Pau might have gotten pushed around and is now allergic to physical play but he was a fantastic facilitator from the 4/5. Boozer will give us some better physicality and some decent scoring punch but he won't replace what Pau brought as another initiator on the floor.

To me it's trading one past his prime 4 for another..... difference being about 16 million dollars however.

And with those 16 million dollars came 16 million dollar expectations. Now Boozer is a 3 million dollar man and that means we haven't got nearly as much pressure to play him as 19 million dollar man.

Boozer will give us similar production as Gasol offensively. He's actually a decent passer, but he doesn't pass enough. Definitely doesn't have the vision of Gasol though. Pau had some of the best vision out of a 7 footer that I can remember. But we'll get the points and the rebounds about the same like you said.

Defensively they'll both be bad again, but I'm hoping Boozer tries a little harder this year with a more no-nonsense coach at the helm.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby ElginTheGreat on Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:26 pm

Lin is absolutely an upgrade at the point.

I hate to say it as I loved Pau, but I think it may end up being a wash at this point between him and Boozer. I think Pau is more talented, but mentally everything from the constant trade talk to D'Antoni benching him, etc just wore on him.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:44 pm

ElginTheGreat wrote:Lin is absolutely an upgrade at the point.

I hate to say it as I loved Pau, but I think it may end up being a wash at this point between him and Boozer. I think Pau is more talented, but mentally everything from the constant trade talk to D'Antoni benching him, etc just wore on him.


Yes. It was not only the play on the court but all of the mental aspects of being in LA and being involved in so many trade talks, which probably killed his motivation. A change of sceneary is what he needed. He was sleep walking in so many games. Just not putting forth the effort.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby ElginTheGreat on Sun Jul 27, 2014 4:43 pm

Lets Go Lakers wrote:
ElginTheGreat wrote:Lin is absolutely an upgrade at the point.

I hate to say it as I loved Pau, but I think it may end up being a wash at this point between him and Boozer. I think Pau is more talented, but mentally everything from the constant trade talk to D'Antoni benching him, etc just wore on him.


Yes. It was not only the play on the court but all of the mental aspects of being in LA and being involved in so many trade talks, which probably killed his motivation. A change of sceneary is what he needed. He was sleep walking in so many games. Just not putting forth the effort.


I completely agree. There were so many nights you could tell something was just off with Pau.

I am wondering how well he will work with a hard nosed team like the Bulls. Wish him the best though.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby LakersN4 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:29 pm

Lets Go Lakers wrote:
ElginTheGreat wrote:Lin is absolutely an upgrade at the point.

I hate to say it as I loved Pau, but I think it may end up being a wash at this point between him and Boozer. I think Pau is more talented, but mentally everything from the constant trade talk to D'Antoni benching him, etc just wore on him.


Yes. It was not only the play on the court but all of the mental aspects of being in LA and being involved in so many trade talks, which probably killed his motivation. A change of sceneary is what he needed. He was sleep walking in so many games. Just not putting forth the effort.

Just flat out being tougher..Mentally & physically.. 76 games of Boozer vs. 50-60 games of Pau.. We lose some overall skill but make up for it with reliability. Not to mention a bigger role for Hill, the potential of Randle, Kelly, & Davis.. Our frontcourt should be really good.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby Punk-101 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:04 pm

I think this team is going to be much better than last year's team.

PG: Lin/Nash/Clarkson > Nash/Farmar/Blake/Marshall/Meeks/Henry. Everyone other than marshall missed significant time, resulting in Meeks and Henry actually running the point. Lin is durable (knock on wood). Maybe...lol...maybe Nash might be a tad healthier this year. And Clarkson may just surprise us.

SG: Kobe/Clarkson/Young/Henry > Kobe/Blake/Meeks/Bazemore/Brooks/Henry. Kobe, Blake, and Henry missed huge amounts of games. A healthier kobe and Henry is a mega upgrade to last year's SGs.

SF: Johnson/Young/Henry/Kobe = Young/bazemore/Brooks/Henry. Henry and Kobe being hopefully healthier is a plus, but Young will surely have a reduced role from the uber green light he had last year, balancing things out.

PF: Boozer/Randle/Kelly/Davis/Hill > Pau/Hill/williams/Johnson/Kelly. Boozer+Randle is miles better than Pau, IMO, and Johnson as a stretch 4, lol.

C: Hill/Davis/Sacre = Pau/Kaman/Hill/Sacre. kaman barely played and pau was injured a lot. Pau is clearly a better player than Davis, but I think Davis' role fits better on this team than pau's did last year.

Coach: Scott > MDA. No explanation needed.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:15 pm

Punk-101 wrote:I think this team is going to be much better than last year's team.

PG: Lin/Nash/Clarkson > Nash/Farmar/Blake/Marshall/Meeks/Henry. Everyone other than marshall missed significant time, resulting in Meeks and Henry actually running the point. Lin is durable (knock on wood). Maybe...lol...maybe Nash might be a tad healthier this year. And Clarkson may just surprise us.

SG: Kobe/Clarkson/Young/Henry > Kobe/Blake/Meeks/Bazemore/Brooks/Henry. Kobe, Blake, and Henry missed huge amounts of games. A healthier kobe and Henry is a mega upgrade to last year's SGs.

SF: Johnson/Young/Henry/Kobe = Young/bazemore/Brooks/Henry. Henry and Kobe being hopefully healthier is a plus, but Young will surely have a reduced role from the uber green light he had last year, balancing things out.

PF: Boozer/Randle/Kelly/Davis/Hill > Pau/Hill/williams/Johnson/Kelly. Boozer+Randle is miles better than Pau, IMO, and Johnson as a stretch 4, lol.

C: Hill/Davis/Sacre = Pau/Kaman/Hill/Sacre. kaman barely played and pau was injured a lot. Pau is clearly a better player than Davis, but I think Davis' role fits better on this team than pau's did last year.

Coach: Scott > MDA. No explanation needed.


When he played.... Kaman was the best Center we had last year.... hands down.

The concern I have between the two teams is Scott vs MDA. Everyone is so convinced that Scott will be better.... I'm not so sure. MDA fostered a checkers mentality and when the checkers were hitting look out. We won games we had no business winning. Scott is a much more disciplined coach and has a reputation for pulling players who play outside the system. This means the younger guys will not have the "room" they had under MDA. The one I expect to be most effected will be Nick Young. His game has no discipline and he's made for MDA's system. Scott is on the other end of the spectrum and he could be much more limited in what he will be allowed to do now. I see the same thing for X and Wes as well.

As I've said before in this thread.... it's going to be hard to tell. On paper we look better but also remember how we looked on paper 2 years ago. Personalities, coaching and player mix is just as key as names and past performances.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby Weezy on Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:40 pm

^^^ We also lost a bunch of games by 20+ points, 30+ we had no business losing that bad. I have to think a team with any pride would have at least made the losses look a little less awful. 'Antoni didn't care, as long as we were scoring 100+ while giving up a ridiculous amount of points he saw positives apparently. I at least expect Scott to make it a goal to get these guys to play with more pride than that. Our wins/losses record might not end up much different, but I'm hopeful we won't be a complete joke at the same time. I can handle losing if we are getting beat by genuinely better teams, but I'd like those games to be competitive more of the time, and to not be setting records for franchise worst losses. We saw last season even that team could score ok, if Scott can get this team to play defense at all, I expect us to be better. I'd say we have more players capable of D this season, better athletes overall, so we'll have to see if the coach can get them to play it.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby Punk-101 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:42 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Punk-101 wrote:I think this team is going to be much better than last year's team.

PG: Lin/Nash/Clarkson > Nash/Farmar/Blake/Marshall/Meeks/Henry. Everyone other than marshall missed significant time, resulting in Meeks and Henry actually running the point. Lin is durable (knock on wood). Maybe...lol...maybe Nash might be a tad healthier this year. And Clarkson may just surprise us.

SG: Kobe/Clarkson/Young/Henry > Kobe/Blake/Meeks/Bazemore/Brooks/Henry. Kobe, Blake, and Henry missed huge amounts of games. A healthier kobe and Henry is a mega upgrade to last year's SGs.

SF: Johnson/Young/Henry/Kobe = Young/bazemore/Brooks/Henry. Henry and Kobe being hopefully healthier is a plus, but Young will surely have a reduced role from the uber green light he had last year, balancing things out.

PF: Boozer/Randle/Kelly/Davis/Hill > Pau/Hill/williams/Johnson/Kelly. Boozer+Randle is miles better than Pau, IMO, and Johnson as a stretch 4, lol.

C: Hill/Davis/Sacre = Pau/Kaman/Hill/Sacre. kaman barely played and pau was injured a lot. Pau is clearly a better player than Davis, but I think Davis' role fits better on this team than pau's did last year.

Coach: Scott > MDA. No explanation needed.


When he played.... Kaman was the best Center we had last year.... hands down.

The concern I have between the two teams is Scott vs MDA. Everyone is so convinced that Scott will be better.... I'm not so sure. MDA fostered a checkers mentality and when the checkers were hitting look out. We won games we had no business winning. Scott is a much more disciplined coach and has a reputation for pulling players who play outside the system. This means the younger guys will not have the "room" they had under MDA. The one I expect to be most effected will be Nick Young. His game has no discipline and he's made for MDA's system. Scott is on the other end of the spectrum and he could be much more limited in what he will be allowed to do now. I see the same thing for X and Wes as well.

As I've said before in this thread.... it's going to be hard to tell. On paper we look better but also remember how we looked on paper 2 years ago. Personalities, coaching and player mix is just as key as names and past performances.

I agree with pretty much all that.

I'm a little more optimistic for Scott because I think being a little too rigid with the young free-flow guys is less of a detriment to the team than: living/dying by the 3, terrible defense, players out of position and the entire rotation (kaman).
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby Manve77 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:43 pm

With guys like Meeks, Blake gone I expect less 3pts ( no 8-9, but 5-6 per game).
Also tougher D, more stable player rotation (hope the injuries will finally leave us alone)
PG position is still worrying me a little...
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby Center Court on Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:46 am

Except for Randle, Lin, Boozer, and Davis, we're basically the same team but without some really good pieces:: Pau, Kaman, Blake/Bazemore, and Farmar.

Still, it comes down to the same factors, health (Kobe/Nash/Boozer) and can this reclamation projects live up to their once sky high expectations. If so, we're clearly a better team, if not, we could struggle equally.

If we can sign a guy like Mo Will or Sesh, I think it'd go a long way.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby Snakell Beast on Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:02 pm

Henry Abbott and some other terd were ripping on the Byron Scott hire on Truehoop TV. It's up on the Lakers blog page on ESPN. :mad1: :disagree:

I can doom and gloom, because I LOVE my Lakers. When outsiders do it, it drives me bonkers! :bang:

Also, I happen to think they are WAY over exaggerating the difficulty of us making the playoffs at the bottom end of the bracket...The West is stacked from 1-6, but the bottom 4 or 5 teams, that compete for the last two spots, are all about even.

It's basically a crap shoot...which ever team has more injuries basically decides who goes and who doesn't. With a healthy Kobe, I TENTATIVELY like our chances...until further notice. :man9:
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby Aonex on Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:06 pm

Oh man, don't get me started on Henry Abbott... he's quite possibly my most hated "journalist". That guy always seems to have an axe to grind with Kobe, Phil, and the Lakers. Anyone remember his laughable "Phil Jackson Doesn't Know Everything" column? Man, this guy has got some serious inferiority complex or something.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby Weezy on Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:50 am

Henry Abbot doesn't deserve attention. He hates the Lakers, and he hates Kobe, he's the guy who went all out with stats to say that Kobe being clutch is a myth. He's all about stats, just like Hollinger, and he thinks he's smarter than everyone else because of his stats. Even freakin Bill Simmons is more objective when it comes to Kobe and the Lakers, and gives Kobe respect he deserves, and that's saying something.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby TIME on Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:14 pm

I'm lost in the fog of denial!
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby dj vitus on Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:59 pm

So how about 37 wins next year? Over/Under?
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby TIME on Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:03 pm

dj vitus wrote:So how about 37 wins next year? Over/Under?


IF Kobe plays 70 or more games then I say OVER! (by 3-5 games).

If he doesn't then all bets are off.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby wolfpaclaker on Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:01 pm

This seems to be the Lakers rotation

Hill/Sacre
Boozer/Davis/Randle
Young/Wesley/Randle
Kobe/Henry
Lin/Nash/Clarkson

Last year

Kaman/Hill/Sacre
Gasol/Williams/Wesley/Kelly
Young/Wesley
Kobe/Meeks/Henry
Blake/Nash

Though they were lots of injuries, but if you take away injuries, the Lakers team last year talent wise about the same as this year, maybe a bit weaker this year, since last season we had a 17/10/3 C/PF in Gasol, and we are unlikely to have such a player.

The biggest thing is it's highly unlikely Lakers lose as many players to injuries. Kobe played JUST 6 games last year.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:08 pm

Don't you think Davis spends more time being 2nd guy at the center position in front of Sacre? I doubt Randle is playing 3rd string PF. He sure shouldn't be.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby therealdeal on Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:28 pm

dj vitus wrote:So how about 37 wins next year? Over/Under?

I'm going over.
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Re: is this Laker team better than last year's team?

Postby Center Court on Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:50 pm

wolfpaclaker wrote:This seems to be the Lakers rotation

Hill/Sacre
Boozer/Davis/Randle
Young/Wesley/Randle
Kobe/Henry
Lin/Nash/Clarkson

Last year

Kaman/Hill/Sacre
Gasol/Williams/Wesley/Kelly
Young/Wesley
Kobe/Meeks/Henry
Blake/Nash

Though they were lots of injuries, but if you take away injuries, the Lakers team last year talent wise about the same as this year, maybe a bit weaker this year, since last season we had a 17/10/3 C/PF in Gasol, and we are unlikely to have such a player.

The biggest thing is it's highly unlikely Lakers lose as many players to injuries. Kobe played JUST 6 games last year.


Hill/Davis/Sacre
Boozer/Randle/Kelly
Wes/X
Kobe/Swaggy
Lin/Nash/Clarkson

IMO that's the most balanced lineup possible. Nick off the bench provides a huge boost. Randle will get agitated and hungrier off the bench will I think will tremendously expedite his growth. He can also play some mins at the 3 in very rare occasions.

If Nash can give us 14-18 solid mins a night then I think that bench will be stellar... we've all see how much better guys look next to Steve... my gut is Randle and Davis would look like studs.
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