Trade Deadline Discussion: reports, rumors, ruminations

Re: Steve Blake to the Warriors?

Postby lakerfan2 on Mon Feb 17, 2014 3:19 pm

revgen wrote:I mentioned this somewhere earlier in the year as an alternative to getting under the lux tax threshold if the Pau-Bynum deal didn't go through. Mark Jackson likes veteran guards off the bench like Jarret Jack was for them last season. The Nets could use another big body (Kaman) with Lopez out. Especially now that they look like they're playoff bound. Lopez' medical exception can be used like a TPE.


Unfortunately for the Nets (via the Jordan Hill thread), is that the tax hit on taking on an additional player like Kaman or Hill will be an upwards of $17 Millioni. :man10:
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Re: Steve Blake to the Warriors?

Postby OX1947 on Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:11 pm

I am not saying GS would do this by thursday, but they have to address the Harrison Barnes situation. He is a starter in the NBA and he is potential all star. I think they are at an impasse in terms of keeping everyone on there happy. Some of those players all pretty much play the same game. They need some grinders in there, Blake and Hill might be what they need.

In any case, Blake for a TPE is good for me. If they can squeeze a draft pick, even better. Lakers need to stock pile a little before thursday and than see where they are at in June. It would be nice to get back some of those draft picks from Nash trade.
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Re: Steve Blake to the Warriors?

Postby 432J on Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:36 pm

blake for a 2nd rounder is a steal at this point. and if the TPE is involved then even better

blake is pretty useless at this point and on this current team. marshall and farmar are better options anyways so there's really no need for him anymore
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Re: Steve Blake to the Warriors?

Postby Azndude2190 on Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:43 pm

Do it Mitch!

With Sacre and Kelly being are recent 2nd round picks, i'm confident that we can snatch another serviceable role player with a 2nd round pick.
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Re: Steve Blake to the Warriors?

Postby John3:16 on Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:09 am

Slurpee22 wrote:Perhaps we can packager Hill in the Blake trade and get a 1st round pick.


What do you have in mind? Milwaukee's or Orlando's?
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Re: Steve Blake to the Warriors?

Postby karacha on Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:32 am

John3:16 wrote:
Slurpee22 wrote:Perhaps we can packager Hill in the Blake trade and get a 1st round pick.


What do you have in mind? Milwaukee's or Orlando's?


Why not both? We are offering two players after all.
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Re: Trade Deadline Discussion: reports, rumors, ruminations

Postby KB24 on Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:56 am

Blake should be shipped for even a bag of skittles.

With Marshall and Farmar there is no room for an old injury prone pg. We should only get another PG if its a great player or has great potential (if we draft one).
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Re: Trade Deadline Discussion: reports, rumors, ruminations

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:33 am

We will need some kind of a third point or "combo" guard that can at least take care of the ball and has some semblance of passing skills. Other than Kobe or X if he's still here, which I hope he is :jam2: ) Not saying Blake. But Farmar and Marshall or vice versa is terribly thin. Especially with Farmar's propensity for injuries with the type of game he plays.
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Re: Steve Blake to the Warriors?

Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:37 am

lakerfan2 wrote:
revgen wrote:I mentioned this somewhere earlier in the year as an alternative to getting under the lux tax threshold if the Pau-Bynum deal didn't go through. Mark Jackson likes veteran guards off the bench like Jarret Jack was for them last season. The Nets could use another big body (Kaman) with Lopez out. Especially now that they look like they're playoff bound. Lopez' medical exception can be used like a TPE.


Unfortunately for the Nets (via the Jordan Hill thread), is that the tax hit on taking on an additional player like Kaman or Hill will be an upwards of $17 Millioni. :man10:


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Re: Trade Deadline Discussion: reports, rumors, ruminations

Postby SK8 on Tue Feb 18, 2014 12:54 pm

All this trade talk, but nothing is going to happen :man10: :man10:
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Re: Trade Deadline Discussion: reports, rumors, ruminations

Postby Battle Tested20 on Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:12 pm

Uncle Drew wrote:All this trade talk, but nothing is going to happen


unfortunately, I am strongly beginning to lean this way as well. We know Mitch is trying but nothing seems to be connecting/coming together.
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Re: Trade Deadline Discussion: reports, rumors, ruminations

Postby khmrP on Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:18 pm

IF Mitch cant find deals to help the team for the future so be it, rather that than just hand over Pau/Kaman to Pho/Por for mere cap space or injury insurance money when it clearly improves those respective team while team cap wise we're in the same position as we were w/o a trade. Only person benefiting from tax savings is Jimbob and as far I'm concerned he can go F himself if he does these salary dumping trades with no assets coming back.
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Re: Trade Deadline Discussion: reports, rumors, ruminations

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:41 pm

^^just "handing" them over will get us from under the repeater tax…… and that IS something that helps us. I expect that we dump right at the end to do just that….. and every other team knows it.
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Re: Trade Deadline Discussion: reports, rumors, ruminations

Postby khmrP on Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:45 pm

Rooscooter wrote:^^just "handing" them over will get us from under the repeater tax…… and that IS something that helps us. I expect that we dump right at the end to do just that….. and every other team knows it.


How are we tax repeaters if we're gona be under it for 2014-2015 season? and if we're getting under the repeater tax, its not like Jimbo is gona take that money and poor back into the team, we're still stuck with the same cap #'s regardless.
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Re: Trade Deadline Discussion: reports, rumors, ruminations

Postby lakerfan2 on Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:48 pm

^ It helps us next season in that it will ALLOW us to be a tax paying team next season if we go over the luxury tax with signings.

If we are over the tax this year, it won't give us the opportunity to go over without being penalized for being 3 straight years.

Also, being under the luxury tax allows us to go after amnestied players and engage in sign and trade opportunities.
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Re: Trade Deadline Discussion: reports, rumors, ruminations

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:50 pm

We aren't going over the tax next season anyway.
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Re: Trade Deadline Discussion: reports, rumors, ruminations

Postby khmrP on Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:51 pm

lakerfan2 wrote:^ It helps us next season in that it will ALLOW us to be a tax paying team next season if we go over the luxury tax with signings.

If we are over the tax this year, it won't give us the opportunity to go over without being penalized for being 3 straight years.

Also, being under the luxury tax allows us to go after amnestied players and engage in sign and trade opportunities.


we CAN'T get over the luxury tax next season or the season after for the mere fact of how this current team is setup unless we sign Pau, Blake, Hill to giantic contracts. Mitch confirmed that in an interview that would nearly impossible for us to be in the luxury tax over the next 2 seasons.
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Re: Trade Deadline Discussion: reports, rumors, ruminations

Postby lakerfan2 on Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:55 pm

right, i'm not saying we will, BUT, it gives us the option to be without being penalized, that's all.
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Re: Trade Deadline Discussion: reports, rumors, ruminations

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Feb 18, 2014 1:56 pm

Doc Brown wrote:We aren't going over the tax next season anyway.


We aren't keeping any of these guys either so on the off chance we can be in a position to go over the tax the flexibility would be welcome.
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Re: Trade Deadline Discussion: reports, rumors, ruminations

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:34 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:We aren't going over the tax next season anyway.


We aren't keeping any of these guys either so on the off chance we can be in a position to go over the tax the flexibility would be welcome.


I want everyone gone too, except Hill (unless we can get a haul for him), I'm just pointing out it's virtually impossible to go over the luxury tax line if we get rid of the guys we have Bird Right's on. One we use the cap room and exemptions, that's it.
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Re: Trade Deadline Discussion: reports, rumors, ruminations

Postby lakerfan2 on Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:37 pm

we would be able to sign and trade players if we're under the tax line. say...kevin love. :man1:
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Re: Trade Deadline Discussion: reports, rumors, ruminations

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:04 pm

lakerfan2 wrote:we would be able to sign and trade players if we're under the tax line. say...kevin love. :man1:


So what? Love just replaces the person we signed to the contract.
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Re: Trade Deadline Discussion: reports, rumors, ruminations

Postby Doc Brown on Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:07 pm

Sources: Lakers, Mavs maneuvering for Kevin Love
February 18, 2014 4:06 pm ET


Kevin Love, a free agent in 2015, has made it known he wants to play in a major market. (USATSI)
The Lakers and Mavericks are trying to assemble trade offers for prospective free agent Kevin Love, but thus far the Timberwolves have given no indication they'll consider moving the All-Star forward by Thursday's deadline, league sources told CBSSports.com.

Love will be a free agent in 2015, and it is widely known around the league that he and his agent, New York-based Jeff Schwartz, are determined to get him to a major market. The Lakers, Love's first choice, "have the best shot" of landing the Southern California native, one person familiar with the player's thinking said. There is no incentive in the CBA for Love to sign an extension with Minnesota before he has a chance to decline his player option and hit the open market in July 2015.

Giving up significant assets for Love would be problematic for any team that isn't confident it will be able to sign him when he becomes a free agent. That is obviously not an issue for the Lakers.

Still, other teams are said to be feverishly pursuing a premium first-round pick that could be included in a package for Love, a three-time All-Star who is fourth in the league in scoring (25.8 points per game) and second in rebounding (13.2).

In the end, it will fall on Timberwolves president Flip Saunders to pull the trigger on a Love deal or wait him out and hope he's able to turn the franchise's fortunes around in time to persuade him to stay. Minnesota has yet to make the playoffs in Love's five seasons and is likely headed to the lottery again this year.

According to a person familiar with Saunders' strategy, he has indicated there is "no way" he will trade Love by Thursday's 3 p.m. ET deadline.

Any Lakers offer would have to include Pau Gasol, whose $19.3 million contract comes off the books this summer. Rival executives believe the Lakers' best chance of moving Gasol is to a team that views him as worthy re-signing to a more reasonable deal this summer -- not as a rental. The Lakers also can offer their 2014 first-round pick, which has value. With Kobe Bryant out indefinitely, the Lakers are tied for the fourth-worst record in the league.

During All-Star weekend, Bryant said the Lakers having cap space this summer is "right in their wheelhouse" and said he's confident GM Mitch Kupchak would make the moves necessary for a "quick turnaround." LA currently has room to sign a max free agent this summer, but could opt to acquire one via trade and then make more moves in 2015-16, Bryant's final season under contract.


1.) We can't trade our 1st this year, he's got that wrong

2.) We must seriously want Love if we are trying to trade for him now, instead of waiting when we can get him for free.

3.) I'd accept getting Love in FA, if it meant watching Cuban cry to Silver about how the Lakers get everything and how the acquisition should be voided.
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Re: Trade Deadline Discussion: reports, rumors, ruminations

Postby Vasashi17 on Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:20 pm

First thing, both the salary cap and the tax apron increase some 3.5M for next season: cap = 62.2M, apron = 75.2M

Second thing, it is true that being a tax payer limits trades (S&T are prohibited) and non tax payers have more flexibility in making trades that send out less money than they bring in. However, as of right now, those rules kick in at the 74M mark, which is about 2.3M more than the apron (71.7). You can expect that same ratio to apply to the new projected apron of 75.2M which takes us into the 78M region. Also, cap holds (like Pau this summer if he isn't traded) and minimum players (except Nick young's two year deal) do not count against our tax calculations.

Third thing, the Lakers have been tax payers for 2011/12, 2012/13 and even if they aren't tax payers for 2013/14, they would have to remain non tax payers for 2014/15 to avoid the repeater tax (ie you can't be a tax payer in at LEAST 3 of the last 4 seasons by the 2015/16 season). So the repeater tax has no bearing on how we conduct business this summer. They start kicking in for the 2014/15 season.

The last thing is that for the Lakers, money ain't a thang.
Exhibit A: Jimmy is playing with house money. His father developed the Laker brand into what it is today. His sister and the marketing division of the Lakers is what brokered that multi-billion dollar TWC cable deal, that is in danger of losing billions in an extension. Speaking of extensions, even Mitch is playing with house money by giving West's 1996 pick a premature 2 year extension.

Exhibit B: Jimmy used to gamble at the race track and boy do bad habits die slow....60M in picking the wrong "horses".

Exhibit C: LA is the 2nd largest media market and even when we don't sell out games, its only about 1,000 folks not showing up. Capacity is 18,997 and in our last non-sell out game, 18,002 showed up. Kobe is still a global icon and as long as he's attached to the Lakers...merchandising, merchandising, merchandising....the Schwartz is strong in that one (see: Spaceballs...no seriously, go see it now!)

Exhibit D: With Kobe at about 25M, we can get 2 more players on max contracts and still be 5M (25+22.5+22.5 = 70, with the apron being a little north of 75M) away from not paying a single cent in taxes. Also, the repeater tax has heavy multipliers when you breach the apron by double digit millions ($4 for every $1 dollar that is 15M+ over the apron). So for example, if LA has a 85M payroll in 2014/15, and lets assume the apron is still set at about 75M, then they would be over by 10M (teams that are over from 0-5M pay a max of 12.5M...and then a max of 13.75M from being over 5-10M) = giving a a total tax bill of 26.25M. <---Which is roughly how much Jimmy spent on real estate since the start of the season.

So as much as others are hyping up the repeater tax, any savings LA gains pales in comparison to what they would actually make if they put out a quality product on the floor.

Bottomline: Salary dumps are unacceptable...when playing armchair GM, do not look out for Jimmy...he's got his big boy pants on and probably cuffs the bottoms like Sr. Look out for the fans and the quality that certifies the Laker brand. Ownership will be fine...the players are still getting theirs....so who suffers....us!

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Re: Steve Blake to the Warriors?

Postby Kangaroo Grandkid on Tue Feb 18, 2014 3:38 pm

lakerfan2 wrote:A trade exception can prove useful next season. For example, Lamar Odom's trade exception was used to sign Steve Nash.

There's no need for Blake here with Marshall playing well and Farmar here, he's going to expire, and he could help them out.


So you're saying it gives Mitch the opportunity to make another really bad deal? That's really not encouraging.

I know, it doesn't always work out that way.
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