Trade Deadline Discussion: rumors, rumblings, ruminations

khmrP wrote:

Armani wrote:

khmrP wrote:Smith trade was NEVER on the table, that was just random speculations.

Based on what? We know the Dragic, Martin, Scola deal was on the table. The Lakers wanted to hold on to Gasol, and now it's come to this. The offers were way better last year.

based on FACTS and common sense. Smith is expiring, younger, cheaper. Why the hell would Atl want Gasol? he doesn't do ANYTHING for them. The rumors came before Smith current run in with the coaching staff, Ferry was adamant at the time that Smith wasn't being shopped and he's still not being shopped even after that recent run in with the coach.

thisbjgz wrote:Laker's FO can't be that dumb...can they? Diop? if you're gonna trade Pau to the Bobcats at least ask for Byimbo or Henderson or something..

phoenixrisingla wrote:

khmrP wrote:

OX1947 wrote:

lakersin4 wrote:Why would Lebron want to follow in Kobe's shadow? Lebron coming here when we have space is one of the most pipe ideas ever suggested on this board.

Save all that horse (bleep) shadow crap with Stephen A Moron and that (bleep) face across from him. This is about winning championships, I can care less about stupid shadows.

and James couldn't win it staying put in Mia?

Exactly. We need a shot of reality here people.

What exactly do we have here that LBJ would find preferable to his current situation??

I've been a Laker fan for 23 years and lived in LA for the last 10, and I'm having trouble coming up with anything...

Armani wrote:Josh Smith wants out, and this was their best offer. This isn't about facts and common sense, it's about taking advantage of a bad situation, which Mitch has done in the past.

Helljumper wrote:Throw in another young athlete (Henderson, Williams, or Mullens), make them take Blake, Duhon, Morris, or Ebanks. Don't protect the pick too heavily. Makes sense as a trade. Gives us bench help while maintaining the 2014 plan.

Gordon is averaging 13 points on better shooting from the field and 3 point line than Meeks in about the same amount of playing time. He'd fit in well.

cleverdevil wrote:The problem will all this trade talk is that most (NOT ALL) posters on this (and most other) board(s) is that they fail to think logically when it comes to how moves are made in the NBA. This isn’t NBA2K. You can’t just look at a player’s “overall rating”, age and just match salaries. There is a multitude of reason’s that GM’s trade players beyond skill and contract situations. Some GM’s overvalue players or “fall in love” with a players “talent”, some teams trade to benefit NOW, some teams trade to benefit LATER. The only reason that people have this assertion that the Lakers “swindle” anyone in trades is because we usually the former while our partner in the trade usually is the latter.

And this notion that Mitch Kupchak has a “magic wand” is utterly atrocious. If you look at the past few deals that people qualify as “magic wand” trades, you can logically find reasoning from the other teams to proceed with the transactions.


Pau Gasol/ 2010 2nd round pick (Devin Ebanks) -- > Kwame Brown/Javaris Crittenton/Aaron McKie/Draft Rights to Marc Gasol/ 2008 1st round pick (Donte Green)/ 2010 1st round pick (Greivis Vasquez)

Memphis knew that they wouldn’t win a title with Pau, they wanted to free up some cap space and start to rebuild. Kwame was a $9.1 mil expiring contract. Crittenton was then traded to Washington for a conditional 1st rounder (which incidentally was Memphis’ own that they sent for Juan Carlos Navarro). Aaron McKie was waived to clear somewhere in the area of $7 mil. Donte Green was eventually turned into Darrell Arthur and Vasquez was traded (too soon) to N.O. for Quincy Pondexter. We all know how Marc Gasol fared since. The Grizzlies are currently 26-14 this year.

Pau Gasol/Lamar Odom/undisclosed pick-- >Kevin Martin/ Luis Scola/ Goran Dragic/ undisclosed pick-- >Chris Paul

Salary cap was $58,000,000

This deal had it all, for all teams involved.

N.O. knew that Chris Paul was going to walk. 0% chance of him ever suiting up for the Hornets again. With the future of the franchise at stake (not only on the court but in terms of finding an owner), N.O. was set to deal their soon to be ex-star for a mountain of loot. Lamar Odom could have stepped in and stabilized the bench unit while also bringing veteran championship experience and leadership to what was going to be a lockerroom full of youngsters. Kevin Martin gave N.O. as viable 20 point a night scorer. Scola could stabilize the frontcourt and give the Hornets a hard nosed, no nonsense rebounding/scoring threat to team with Emeka Okafor. Dragic would provide decent production from the point guard position. The deal also saw both picks (one 1st and one 2nd) to N.O. to continue to build. N.O. takes on $31.12 mil in salary while relinquishing $16.35 mil (+ $14.76 mil bringing their total salary cap to $59,561,786 ($1,561,786 over the cap)

Houston desperately sought Gasol as their centerpiece big to run Kevin McHale’s offense. They had tried to bait L.A. into taking the deal before N.O. was invited to join. The move would have cut into Houston’s cap, allowing flexibility to make moves in the future. Houston takes on $18.74 mil while relinquishing $22.22 mil (-$3.48 mil bringing their total salary cap to $53,516,272 ($4,483,728 under the cap)

The Lakers were searching for the next miracle turnaround for the franchise. Rumors had been floating around about acquiring both Paul and Dwight Howard to lead the Lakers not only to a few more titles in the short term, but also long term after Kobe Bryant’s retirement. The Lakers take on $16.36 mil and relinquish $27.61 mil (-$11.25 mil bringing their total salary cap to $85,038,610 ($27,038,610 over the cap)

Everyone knows how that ended, so I won’t bring it up. But all sides had something good to take away from that trade.

Just a thought to all the other threads (outside of this one) where poster talk about getting Rudy Gay, Kevin Love, Danny Granger or any other great talent and look down on realistic deals that make fiscal and business sense. Or they take a realistic trade and say “add *usually cheap and underrated player* and MAKE them take *one of our useless contracts*”.

OX1947 wrote:

lakersin4 wrote:Why would Lebron want to follow in Kobe's shadow? Lebron coming here when we have space is one of the most pipe ideas ever suggested on this board.

Save all that horse (bleep) shadow crap with Stephen A Moron and that (bleep) face across from him. This is about winning championships, I can care less about stupid shadows.

Chillbongo wrote:I AM STILL REALLY PISSED ABOUT THAT CHRIS PAUL TRADE EFF DAVID STERN WOW WE WOULD HAVE BEEN LEGIT AND SAVED DOUGH OMG

cleverdevil wrote:

dwighthowardsdad wrote:

cleverdevil wrote:The problem will all this trade talk is that most (NOT ALL) posters on this (and most other) board(s) is that they fail to think logically when it comes to how moves are made in the NBA. This isn’t NBA2K. You can’t just look at a player’s “overall rating”, age and just match salaries. There is a multitude of reason’s that GM’s trade players beyond skill and contract situations. Some GM’s overvalue players or “fall in love” with a players “talent”, some teams trade to benefit NOW, some teams trade to benefit LATER. The only reason that people have this assertion that the Lakers “swindle” anyone in trades is because we usually the former while our partner in the trade usually is the latter.

And this notion that Mitch Kupchak has a “magic wand” is utterly atrocious. If you look at the past few deals that people qualify as “magic wand” trades, you can logically find reasoning from the other teams to proceed with the transactions.


Pau Gasol/ 2010 2nd round pick (Devin Ebanks) -- > Kwame Brown/Javaris Crittenton/Aaron McKie/Draft Rights to Marc Gasol/ 2008 1st round pick (Donte Green)/ 2010 1st round pick (Greivis Vasquez)

Memphis knew that they wouldn’t win a title with Pau, they wanted to free up some cap space and start to rebuild. Kwame was a $9.1 mil expiring contract. Crittenton was then traded to Washington for a conditional 1st rounder (which incidentally was Memphis’ own that they sent for Juan Carlos Navarro). Aaron McKie was waived to clear somewhere in the area of $7 mil. Donte Green was eventually turned into Darrell Arthur and Vasquez was traded (too soon) to N.O. for Quincy Pondexter. We all know how Marc Gasol fared since. The Grizzlies are currently 26-14 this year.

Pau Gasol/Lamar Odom/undisclosed pick-- >Kevin Martin/ Luis Scola/ Goran Dragic/ undisclosed pick-- >Chris Paul

Salary cap was $58,000,000

This deal had it all, for all teams involved.

N.O. knew that Chris Paul was going to walk. 0% chance of him ever suiting up for the Hornets again. With the future of the franchise at stake (not only on the court but in terms of finding an owner), N.O. was set to deal their soon to be ex-star for a mountain of loot. Lamar Odom could have stepped in and stabilized the bench unit while also bringing veteran championship experience and leadership to what was going to be a lockerroom full of youngsters. Kevin Martin gave N.O. as viable 20 point a night scorer. Scola could stabilize the frontcourt and give the Hornets a hard nosed, no nonsense rebounding/scoring threat to team with Emeka Okafor. Dragic would provide decent production from the point guard position. The deal also saw both picks (one 1st and one 2nd) to N.O. to continue to build. N.O. takes on $31.12 mil in salary while relinquishing $16.35 mil (+ $14.76 mil bringing their total salary cap to $59,561,786 ($1,561,786 over the cap)

Houston desperately sought Gasol as their centerpiece big to run Kevin McHale’s offense. They had tried to bait L.A. into taking the deal before N.O. was invited to join. The move would have cut into Houston’s cap, allowing flexibility to make moves in the future. Houston takes on $18.74 mil while relinquishing $22.22 mil (-$3.48 mil bringing their total salary cap to $53,516,272 ($4,483,728 under the cap)

The Lakers were searching for the next miracle turnaround for the franchise. Rumors had been floating around about acquiring both Paul and Dwight Howard to lead the Lakers not only to a few more titles in the short term, but also long term after Kobe Bryant’s retirement. The Lakers take on $16.36 mil and relinquish $27.61 mil (-$11.25 mil bringing their total salary cap to $85,038,610 ($27,038,610 over the cap)

Everyone knows how that ended, so I won’t bring it up. But all sides had something good to take away from that trade.

Just a thought to all the other threads (outside of this one) where poster talk about getting Rudy Gay, Kevin Love, Danny Granger or any other great talent and look down on realistic deals that make fiscal and business sense. Or they take a realistic trade and say “add *usually cheap and underrated player* and MAKE them take *one of our useless contracts*”.

Great post. A lot of logic used in your thinking; I like it. Also, I like the breakdown of how the other teams who previously dealt with us are doing. It's not all one-sided as it would appear. Mitch is a great GM, though.

I'm afraid this season this is going to have to take his best work to figure out what to do with a seemingly unhappy Pau coming off the bench and a Dwight who's showing his shot attempts or lack thereof to teammates in the locker room.

On another note, I've always liked Granger; his contract actually end the same time our 2014 plan kicks in. Unfortunately, he got hurt this year, and Indiana is in desperate need of another scorer. Also, why is Indiana going to want Pau? It would take a 3rd team to acquire Granger, IMO.

Things get more complicated since we don't want to take back any long-term money past 2014. It looks like we're looking for a bunch of expiring and short-term K's which narrows our options...

I agree. I'm sorry if it came off as me not recognizing Mitch's greatness. But for sure, he is no Wizard, just a great negotiator who knows how to sell someone else on how a deal can also work for them.

cleverdevil wrote:

dwighthowardsdad wrote:

cleverdevil wrote:The problem will all this trade talk is that most (NOT ALL) posters on this (and most other) board(s) is that they fail to think logically when it comes to how moves are made in the NBA. This isn’t NBA2K. You can’t just look at a player’s “overall rating”, age and just match salaries. There is a multitude of reason’s that GM’s trade players beyond skill and contract situations. Some GM’s overvalue players or “fall in love” with a players “talent”, some teams trade to benefit NOW, some teams trade to benefit LATER. The only reason that people have this assertion that the Lakers “swindle” anyone in trades is because we usually the former while our partner in the trade usually is the latter.

And this notion that Mitch Kupchak has a “magic wand” is utterly atrocious. If you look at the past few deals that people qualify as “magic wand” trades, you can logically find reasoning from the other teams to proceed with the transactions.


Pau Gasol/ 2010 2nd round pick (Devin Ebanks) -- > Kwame Brown/Javaris Crittenton/Aaron McKie/Draft Rights to Marc Gasol/ 2008 1st round pick (Donte Green)/ 2010 1st round pick (Greivis Vasquez)

Memphis knew that they wouldn’t win a title with Pau, they wanted to free up some cap space and start to rebuild. Kwame was a $9.1 mil expiring contract. Crittenton was then traded to Washington for a conditional 1st rounder (which incidentally was Memphis’ own that they sent for Juan Carlos Navarro). Aaron McKie was waived to clear somewhere in the area of $7 mil. Donte Green was eventually turned into Darrell Arthur and Vasquez was traded (too soon) to N.O. for Quincy Pondexter. We all know how Marc Gasol fared since. The Grizzlies are currently 26-14 this year.

Pau Gasol/Lamar Odom/undisclosed pick-- >Kevin Martin/ Luis Scola/ Goran Dragic/ undisclosed pick-- >Chris Paul

Salary cap was $58,000,000

This deal had it all, for all teams involved.

N.O. knew that Chris Paul was going to walk. 0% chance of him ever suiting up for the Hornets again. With the future of the franchise at stake (not only on the court but in terms of finding an owner), N.O. was set to deal their soon to be ex-star for a mountain of loot. Lamar Odom could have stepped in and stabilized the bench unit while also bringing veteran championship experience and leadership to what was going to be a lockerroom full of youngsters. Kevin Martin gave N.O. as viable 20 point a night scorer. Scola could stabilize the frontcourt and give the Hornets a hard nosed, no nonsense rebounding/scoring threat to team with Emeka Okafor. Dragic would provide decent production from the point guard position. The deal also saw both picks (one 1st and one 2nd) to N.O. to continue to build. N.O. takes on $31.12 mil in salary while relinquishing $16.35 mil (+ $14.76 mil bringing their total salary cap to $59,561,786 ($1,561,786 over the cap)

Houston desperately sought Gasol as their centerpiece big to run Kevin McHale’s offense. They had tried to bait L.A. into taking the deal before N.O. was invited to join. The move would have cut into Houston’s cap, allowing flexibility to make moves in the future. Houston takes on $18.74 mil while relinquishing $22.22 mil (-$3.48 mil bringing their total salary cap to $53,516,272 ($4,483,728 under the cap)

The Lakers were searching for the next miracle turnaround for the franchise. Rumors had been floating around about acquiring both Paul and Dwight Howard to lead the Lakers not only to a few more titles in the short term, but also long term after Kobe Bryant’s retirement. The Lakers take on $16.36 mil and relinquish $27.61 mil (-$11.25 mil bringing their total salary cap to $85,038,610 ($27,038,610 over the cap)

Everyone knows how that ended, so I won’t bring it up. But all sides had something good to take away from that trade.

Just a thought to all the other threads (outside of this one) where poster talk about getting Rudy Gay, Kevin Love, Danny Granger or any other great talent and look down on realistic deals that make fiscal and business sense. Or they take a realistic trade and say “add *usually cheap and underrated player* and MAKE them take *one of our useless contracts*”.

Great post. A lot of logic used in your thinking; I like it. Also, I like the breakdown of how the other teams who previously dealt with us are doing. It's not all one-sided as it would appear. Mitch is a great GM, though.

I'm afraid this season this is going to have to take his best work to figure out what to do with a seemingly unhappy Pau coming off the bench and a Dwight who's showing his shot attempts or lack thereof to teammates in the locker room.

On another note, I've always liked Granger; his contract actually end the same time our 2014 plan kicks in. Unfortunately, he got hurt this year, and Indiana is in desperate need of another scorer. Also, why is Indiana going to want Pau? It would take a 3rd team to acquire Granger, IMO.

Things get more complicated since we don't want to take back any long-term money past 2014. It looks like we're looking for a bunch of expiring and short-term K's which narrows our options...

I agree. I'm sorry if it came off as me not recognizing Mitch's greatness. But for sure, he is no Wizard, just a great negotiator who knows how to sell someone else on how a deal can also work for them.

purp n gold wrote:

Chillbongo wrote:I AM STILL REALLY PISSED ABOUT THAT CHRIS PAUL TRADE EFF DAVID STERN WOW WE WOULD HAVE BEEN LEGIT AND SAVED DOUGH OMG

This just has to be said every few months or so: Stern & the NBA punished the Lakers for being successful for 30 years, and rewarded the Clippers for being pathetic for 30 years