TrueHoop TV: David Thorpe on Lakers Defense

lAKERfaNaticKID · by **lAKERfaNaticKID** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:36 pm

Very well explained and makes sense. Guys we've hit rock bottom on defense, we can only get better....right? Lol

JGC · by **JGC** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:22 pm

It's what I've been harping on since I joined this place. Defense in basketball isn't about individuals. You can't just and get a defensive minded player and then assume it will elevate your team defensively.

Carlos Boozer was the starting power forward for the best defensive team in the NBA. Dwight Howard is the starting center for a below average defensive team in the NBA that features Metta World Peace and Kobe Bryant in the lineup.

Defense (and offense) is played as a team. We have so many people in here that know a lot about basketball but it seems like this is so often overlooked.

Rooscooter · by **Rooscooter** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:27 pm

^^No..no...no.... How can you say that!?.... We have Howard and he DOMINATES and is a defensive BEAST.... have you not seen his 3 DPOY AWARDS?!!.... Have you not seen him block shots into the second level?!....

He's the defensive ANCHOR that will stop all of the penetration, single handedly thwart the all of the pick and rolls and cover for all of our lapses on the perimeter....

DOMINATE BEAST.... he will fix everything once he's healthy or in shape..... or ...... whatever....

JGC · by **JGC** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:10 pm

Haha. It is still hard to believe that we are worse defensively than that Orlando team that went to the finals. It featured Rashard Lewis, Hedo Turkoglu and Jameer Nelson.

It just emphasizes, to me anyway, how important the team concept really is on both ends of the court.

Once we figure out how to get there (if we do), this team will dominate.

Rooscooter · by **Rooscooter** on Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:21 pm

JGC wrote:Haha. It is still hard to believe that we are worse defensively than that Orlando team that went to the finals. It featured Rashard Lewis, Hedo Turkoglu and Jameer Nelson.

It just emphasizes, to me anyway, how important the team concept really is on both ends of the court.

Once we figure out how to get there (if we do), this team will dominate.

Last year, when the emotions were flowing around here like dollars in Washington I tried to point out that our defense issues weren't just our center to no avail.... Now that the Fat, Lazy selfish idiot is gone things have gotten worse.... Why worse? We give our opponents more possessions with this offensive scheme and we shoot a lot more 3's that result in more transition opportunities.... which we have sucked at stopping since oh.... about 2005....

The Rock · by **The Rock** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:35 am

Rooscooter wrote:^^No..no...no.... How can you say that!?.... We have Howard and he DOMINATES and is a defensive BEAST.... have you not seen his 3 DPOY AWARDS?!!.... Have you not seen him block shots into the second level?!....

He's the defensive ANCHOR that will stop all of the penetration, single handedly thwart the all of the pick and rolls and cover for all of our lapses on the perimeter....

DOMINATE BEAST.... he will fix everything once he's healthy or in shape..... or ...... whatever....

Howard is not 100% but answer these questions for me

1) Do you want Howard to help us succeed or not? Do you support him?

2) Do you want him to fail so that you can say we would've been better off without Howard

These are basic Yes or No questions with no buts/howevers needed.

Fans like you around here and really making me question whether you actually like the Lakers, because if you were you'd support the team through thick and thin, especially the new guys, not kick them when they're down. As Laker fans our team is like family we criticize them when they fail and we support them when they deserve it. I see you criticizing him with hopes of bringing doom and gloom for the team with ZERO constructive criticism on how Howard and the team can figure this out. A lot of us here have bashed Odom, Gasol and Bynum quite a bit over the years and wanted them traded, some times even irrationally but it was all in the context of wanting our team to get better at the end of the day not because they replaced our favorite players or we dont like them..we would if they helped us in championship contention. I want to know whether you'd support the team with Howard being part of it or do you want it to fail since you dont seem the least bit supportive of him whatsoever and hes a huge part of this team right now as he brings the tools to the table that can help us win.

Right now the team has made progress in areas that were weak spots last year (overall offense, 3FG, bench) but they're inconsistent as a whole are in in a slump. I dont see you acknowledging that anywhere and thats why Im questioning your support for this team as currently constructed

Heres my two cents, we' will turn this around. Howard will deliver. If everybody is healthy the championship is ours

Ariza3 · by **Ariza3** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:58 am

never saw this before but at 0:39 of the video when Varejao gets the wide open layup and everyone points at Hill...you can see Metta is just laughing and smiling.

could mean a lot of things but mwp has to get more serious about his D. before he was healthy he couldnt do much on O so did more on D. now hes excited about O and forgetting about D. gotta fix that.

Texas Lakers Fan · by **Texas Lakers Fan** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:04 am

The Rock wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:^^No..no...no.... How can you say that!?.... We have Howard and he DOMINATES and is a defensive BEAST.... have you not seen his 3 DPOY AWARDS?!!.... Have you not seen him block shots into the second level?!....

He's the defensive ANCHOR that will stop all of the penetration, single handedly thwart the all of the pick and rolls and cover for all of our lapses on the perimeter....

DOMINATE BEAST.... he will fix everything once he's healthy or in shape..... or ...... whatever....

Howard is not 100% but answer these questions for me

1) Do you want Howard to help us succeed or not? Do you support him?

2) Do you want him to fail so that you can say we would've been better off without Howard

These are basic Yes or No questions with no buts/howevers needed.

Fans like you around here and really making me question whether you actually like the Lakers, because if you were you'd support the team through thick and thin, especially the new guys, not kick them when they're down. As Laker fans our team is like family we criticize them when they fail and we support them when they deserve it. I see you criticizing him with hopes of bringing doom and gloom for the team with ZERO constructive criticism on how Howard and the team can figure this out. A lot of us here have bashed Odom, Gasol and Bynum quite a bit over the years and wanted them traded, some times even irrationally but it was all in the context of wanting our team to get better at the end of the day not because they replaced our favorite players or we dont like them..we would if they helped us in championship contention. I want to know whether you'd support the team with Howard being part of it or do you want it to fail since you dont seem the least bit supportive of him whatsoever and hes a huge part of this team right now as he brings the tools to the table that can help us win.

Right now the team has made progress in areas that were weak spots last year (overall offense, 3FG, bench) but they're inconsistent as a whole are in in a slump. I dont see you acknowledging that anywhere and thats why Im questioning your support for this team as currently constructed

Heres my two cents, we' will turn this around. Howard will deliver. If everybody is healthy the championship is ours

Don't call him out on his b******* he'll just whine and moan and tell you to leave him alone and stop quoting him.

The Rock · by **The Rock** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:06 am

Texas Lakers Fan wrote:
The Rock wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:^^No..no...no.... How can you say that!?.... We have Howard and he DOMINATES and is a defensive BEAST.... have you not seen his 3 DPOY AWARDS?!!.... Have you not seen him block shots into the second level?!....

He's the defensive ANCHOR that will stop all of the penetration, single handedly thwart the all of the pick and rolls and cover for all of our lapses on the perimeter....

DOMINATE BEAST.... he will fix everything once he's healthy or in shape..... or ...... whatever....

Howard is not 100% but answer these questions for me

1) Do you want Howard to help us succeed or not? Do you support him?

2) Do you want him to fail so that you can say we would've been better off without Howard

These are basic Yes or No questions with no buts/howevers needed.

Fans like you around here and really making me question whether you actually like the Lakers, because if you were you'd support the team through thick and thin, especially the new guys, not kick them when they're down. As Laker fans our team is like family we criticize them when they fail and we support them when they deserve it. I see you criticizing him with hopes of bringing doom and gloom for the team with ZERO constructive criticism on how Howard and the team can figure this out. A lot of us here have bashed Odom, Gasol and Bynum quite a bit over the years and wanted them traded, some times even irrationally but it was all in the context of wanting our team to get better at the end of the day not because they replaced our favorite players or we dont like them..we would if they helped us in championship contention. I want to know whether you'd support the team with Howard being part of it or do you want it to fail since you dont seem the least bit supportive of him whatsoever and hes a huge part of this team right now as he brings the tools to the table that can help us win.

Right now the team has made progress in areas that were weak spots last year (overall offense, 3FG, bench) but they're inconsistent as a whole are in in a slump. I dont see you acknowledging that anywhere and thats why Im questioning your support for this team as currently constructed

Heres my two cents, we' will turn this around. Howard will deliver. If everybody is healthy the championship is ours

Don't call him out on his b******* he'll just whine and moan and tell you to leave him alone and stop quoting him.

whatever his opinion is, whether I agree or disagree, I just want to know what his agenda is. I want to know whether hes in or out with this team, aint nothin wrong either way. Hes entitled to his opinions (however wrong it may seem to some of us)

revgen · by **revgen** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:14 am

The Rock wrote:Fans like you around here and really making me question whether you actually like the Lakers, because if you were you'd support the team through thick and thin

The Rock · by **The Rock** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:16 am

revgen wrote:
The Rock wrote:Fans like you around here and really making me question whether you actually like the Lakers, because if you were you'd support the team through thick and thin

For someone whos been here for a while you should know the story behind these sigs.

And like I said I critcize our guys and say things what they can do differently to help us, not just nag the whole time about how certain players cant do this or that

revgen · by **revgen** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:30 am

The Rock wrote:
revgen wrote:
The Rock wrote:Fans like you around here and really making me question whether you actually like the Lakers, because if you were you'd support the team through thick and thin

For someone whos been here for a while you should know the story behind these sigs.

And like I said I critcize our guys and say things what they can do differently to help us, not just nag the whole time about how certain players cant do this or that

And for somebody who has been around as long as you have, you should know that Roo wasn't critizing Howard. He was criticizing mindless reactionary posters who kept blaming Bynum for our defensive rotations last season despite the fact that few ever helped Bynum when he left to help. Now we see Dwight yelling at players to "stop gambling" during practices and getting pissed off at the lack of rotational help during live games. Basically the same crap our last center had to deal with. These same reactionary numbskulls cried out that Howard would boost our defense simply because he was a 3x defensive player of the year. Defense is about everybody being on the same page, playing their role, and helping one another. A shotblocker/anchor is a necessary role for any team that wants to play at an elite level defensively, and they are hard to find. But the other 4 positions need to do their part too. Until we have a team of 5 guys committing to doing their part defensively, we're not going to shut down opposing teams.

The Rock · by **The Rock** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:35 am

revgen wrote:
And for somebody who has been around as long as you have, you should know that Roo wasn't critizing Howard. He was criticizing mindless reactionary posters who kept blaming Bynum for our defensive rotations last season despite the fact that few ever helped Bynum when he left to help. Now we see Dwight yelling at players to "stop gambling" during practices and getting pissed off at the lack of rotational help during live games. Basically the same crap our last center had to deal with. These same reactionary numbskulls cried out that Howard would boost our defense simply because he was a 3x defensive player of the year. Defense is about everybody being on the same page, playing their role, and helping one another. A shotblocker/anchor is a necessary role for any team that wants to play at an elite level defensively, and they are hard to find. But the other 4 positions need to do their part too. Until we have a team of 5 guys committing to doing their part defensively, we're not going to shut down opposing teams.

Right just because he doesn't say it out loud doesn't mean we dont know his tone of criticizing Dwight at every opportunity ? Come on dont insult our intelligence here,

Do the same problems exist as last year? Yes. Can it be solved...actually yes. How about we get Dwight 100% and our full team back before we crucify the guy thats my point. Physically he isn't doing the same things he did over the years and he said so himself

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-simers-dwight-howard-20121213,0,5470390,full.column

He says Lakers fans have yet to see him at his best after he underwent back surgery last spring, his friends wondering, though, if he has taken up smoking.

"I get so tired running," he says. "I look like I'm in shape, but I'm not. My friends are used to seeing me run for 40 minutes without a problem."

IF we're still losing games if he's still ineffective even when our whole squad is back for a number of games then you're 100% justified. It is unreasonable to think otherwise

revgen · by **revgen** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:45 am

The Rock wrote:
revgen wrote:
And for somebody who has been around as long as you have, you should know that Roo wasn't critizing Howard. He was criticizing mindless reactionary posters who kept blaming Bynum for our defensive rotations last season despite the fact that few ever helped Bynum when he left to help. Now we see Dwight yelling at players to "stop gambling" during practices and getting pissed off at the lack of rotational help during live games. Basically the same crap our last center had to deal with. These same reactionary numbskulls cried out that Howard would boost our defense simply because he was a 3x defensive player of the year. Defense is about everybody being on the same page, playing their role, and helping one another. A shotblocker/anchor is a necessary role for any team that wants to play at an elite level defensively, and they are hard to find. But the other 4 positions need to do their part too. Until we have a team of 5 guys committing to doing their part defensively, we're not going to shut down opposing teams.

Right just because he doesn't say it out loud doesn't mean we dont know his tone of criticizing Dwight at every opportunity ? Come on dont insult our intelligence here,

Do the same problems exist as last year? Yes. Can it be solved...actually yes. How about we get Dwight 100% and our full team back before we crucify the guy thats my point. IF we're still losing games if he's still ineffective even when our whole squad is back for a number of games then you're 100% justified. It is unreasonable to think otherwise

You're insulting your own intelligence. Roo has talked about our pathetic rotations ever since he started posting here. Even talking about the idea of a "defensive anchor" as an overrated concept when 5-man rotations are more important in dictating whether a defense suceeds or fails. You should know that by now. Especially since you're Roo's official stalker here on the board.

So getting Nash back is going to improve our defense? Getting Pau back is going to improve our defense?

Pau has been absolutely wishy-washy on defensive rotations for the last 2 years now. And even during the 2-peat era, he'd have his WTF moments on rotations. Nash, isn't as bad on defense as advertised, but he's not going to solve our problems there either until all 5 guys get on the same page.

thkthebest · by **thkthebest** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:50 am

Honestly, I thought Howard + Metta + veterans on our team would be enough to be a top 10 defensive team. I did express some concern about only having two good defenders (Metta + Howard)...and how Metta would be 33 years old, but I really thought we would still be above average (and probably top 10).

This is far worse than anything I expected. It's like these guys don't even try to fix their mistakes. If a guy kept punching you in the face, I would assume that you'd eventually figure out, "Oh damn, I better start dodging or blocking the punches." Lakers are making no adjustments. They're just taking the punches and thinking, "Why the hell does my face keep hurting?"

For a guy who's coming off back surgery, Howard is playing great defense. He's obviously not back to DPOTY Howard, but he's still playing great defense. I really have no idea what everyone else's excuse is. I didn't expect Kobe's defense to get even worse. Last season, I saw Kobe as a guy who maximized his defensive potential for minimal effort if that makes sense, but this season, he can't even maximize his minimal effort. He doesn't even give minimal effort. He gives negative effort because it's probably affecting the teammates. Well, I guess his effort was a little better last game so maybe that's a start.

And, nobody helps Howard. Howard sometimes helps too much, but nobody consistently helps Howard except maybe Hill. It's really mind-boggling. The same crap happens every game. How in the world do you not adjust? I really don't get it.

The Rock · by **The Rock** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 1:51 am

revgen wrote:
You're insulting your own intelligence. Roo has talked about our pathetic rotations ever since he started posting here. Even talking about the idea of a "defensive anchor" as an overrated concept when 5-man rotations are more important in dictating whether a defense suceeds or fails. You should know that by now.

So getting Nash back is going to improve our defense? Getting Pau back is going to improve our defense?

Pau has been absolutely wishy-washy on defensive rotations for the last 2 years now. And even during the 2-peat era, he'd have his WTF moments on rotations. Nash, isn't as bad on defense as advertised, but he's not going to solve our problems there either until all 5 guys get on the same page.

HELLO thats why we have DWIGHT HOWARD. The guy has played with Turkgolu, Nelson, Redick etc who are far worse defenders, 1) Hes not altering many shots as he would before 2) hes not able to react and recover like hes known for 3) Hes not playing harder in the 4th...these are caused by him not being in great NBA shape. We've been together for one month withl D'Antoni they've shown flashes of great lockdown D (3rd Q of CLE game), they just haven't been able to put it together for a consistent 48 minutes. You're acting like hes completely hopeless on affecting our D and incompetent in P & R Defensively situations like hes Bynum or something. The problem for our entire team in every facet of the game has been inconsistency not incompetence, we've let games slip away at the end which we had control of (HOU, ORL),

Pau and Nash can cut down our turnovers. Less turnovers = less transition opportunities for other teams with floor balance favoring us. Pau is the wild card for our team but if hes gonna give us 10/8 Im fine with that knowing we got Hill and Jamison as our alternatives.

Mitch constructed this team with the Big 4 being a huge part of the team and the other role players filling in to compliment our all stars, because of injuries we haven't had an opportunity to do that. Instead we got guys like Hill/Jamison/Duhon and heck even MWP play bigger roles than they should

revgen · by **revgen** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:01 am

The Rock wrote:
revgen wrote:
You're insulting your own intelligence. Roo has talked about our pathetic rotations ever since he started posting here. Even talking about the idea of a "defensive anchor" as an overrated concept when 5-man rotations are more important in dictating whether a defense suceeds or fails. You should know that by now.

So getting Nash back is going to improve our defense? Getting Pau back is going to improve our defense?

Pau has been absolutely wishy-washy on defensive rotations for the last 2 years now. And even during the 2-peat era, he'd have his WTF moments on rotations. Nash, isn't as bad on defense as advertised, but he's not going to solve our problems there either until all 5 guys get on the same page.

HELLO thats why we have DWIGHT HOWARD. The guy has played with Turkgolu, Nelson, Redick etc who are far worse defenders, 1) Hes not altering many shots as he would before 2) hes not able to react and recover like hes known for 3) Hes not playing harder in the 4th...these are caused by him not being in great NBA shape. We've been together for one month until D'Antoni they've shown flashes of great lockdown D (3rd Q of CLE game), they just haven't been able to put it together for a consistent 48 minutes. You're acting like hes completely hopeless on affecting our D and incompetent in P & R Defensively situations like hes Bynum or something

Pau and Nash can cut down our turnovers. Less turnovers = less transition opportunities for other teams with floor balance favoring us. Pau is the wild card for our team but if hes gonna give us 10/8 Im fine with that knowing we got Hill and Jamison as our alternatives.

Indidually? Yes. Team? No. The Magic always rotated the way they were supposed to. If they didn't, SVG would be yelling at them on the sideline until they did. Tell me the last time that Magic squad under Dwight+SVG were looking at each other after a defensive breakdown saying "WTF!" and pointing at each other? Hardly ever. They knew exactly where each other were suppposed to be. And SVG made sure of it. Mike Brown would just shrug his shoulders and laugh and Mike D'Antoni would just yell at everybody without actually going over to the guy who missed the rotation. Brown probably knew who screwed up but didn't have the balls to tell them. Mike D'Antoni just doesn't have a clue since he's not a defensive-minded coach.

Bynum almost always did his job on P&R. The problem was that he never he never had any help when he'd leave to help. Same thing Dwight is going through. It's pathetic and ridiculous. Until we solve it, our defensive woes aren't going to change.

Less TO's will help, but it's not just our transition D that's terrible. Our half-court D is still not where it needs to be.

The Rock · by **The Rock** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:10 am

And the rotations and defensive effort/intensity will pick up over the course of the season. Just like offense players have strengths/weaknesses/tendencies and right now they're seeing what they can do and what they can't do. It will get better over time. Im glad they're looking at each other going WTF and arguing on the bench at least it shows they care and trying to fix it, not just throw a temper tantrum and just snooze through the rest of the game

revgen · by **revgen** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:14 am

Time?

1/4 of the season is already over and we're 7 games behind the Clippers. We don't have time to "figure it out". We need to get our crap together now. We have to get to .500 by early January if we're going to have a chance to enter the 1st round with home court advantage. All of these "we need time" "wait for Nash" " wait til Dwight is 100%" excuses could fly in early November. It's mid-December. We're entering mid-season right now and we look like a preseason team. The time is now.

The Rock · by **The Rock** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:22 am

revgen wrote:Time?

1/4 of the season is already over and we're 7 games behind the Clippers. We don't have time to "figure it out". We need to get our crap together now. We have to get to .500 by early January if we're going to have a chance to enter the 1st round with home court advantage.

How can you not take these extra variables like injuries and missing players into consideration come on? You're ridiculous. Its not like we've had our guys here the whole time and its been a sinking ship, they've played together for 6 damn quarters together.

We take it one game at a time and we make progress if you're thinking this is gonna work like a microwave process where we skyrocket to the top of the standings without an healthy team you're just being unreasonable

revgen · by **revgen** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:25 am

The Rock wrote:
revgen wrote:Time?

1/4 of the season is already over and we're 7 games behind the Clippers. We don't have time to "figure it out". We need to get our crap together now. We have to get to .500 by early January if we're going to have a chance to enter the 1st round with home court advantage.

How can you not take these extra variables like injuries and missing players into consideration come on? You're ridiculous. Its not like we've had our guys here the whole time and its been a sinking ship, they've played together for 6 damn quarters together.

I don't care who is injured. A team with a healthy MWP, Kobe, D12, and Jamison shouldn't be 4 games under .500 and being embarrassed by a 4 win Cavs team. I can understand us not being a .600 or .700 squad without Nash and/or Pau, but we should never be 4 games under .500 with the players who are healthy. The way you and others are trying to excuse the way they are performing by bringing up Nash and Pau is simply pathetic.

wcsoldier81 · by **wcsoldier81** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:27 am

The main pb of this team when it comes to defense (outside being old anf slow) : players and coaching staff seem to wrongly think the same way as some posters here : Dwight will take care of our D by himself

First thing you heard from Kobe when we acquired D12 : " We will be able to gamble more on the perimeter knowing Dwight is behind "

MDA comments : " I hope Dwight makes me a good defensive coach " .

Defense has to be a team concept and a team effort but our team is playing lazy D thinking " Dwight will save the day"

The Rock · by **The Rock** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:34 am

revgen wrote:
The Rock wrote:
revgen wrote:Time?

1/4 of the season is already over and we're 7 games behind the Clippers. We don't have time to "figure it out". We need to get our crap together now. We have to get to .500 by early January if we're going to have a chance to enter the 1st round with home court advantage.

How can you not take these extra variables like injuries and missing players into consideration come on? You're ridiculous. Its not like we've had our guys here the whole time and its been a sinking ship, they've played together for 6 damn quarters together.

I don't care who is injured. A team with a healthy MWP, Kobe, D12, and Jamison shouldn't be 4 games under .500 and being embarrassed by a 4 win Cavs team.

How do you justify this loss by a 38-19 Lakers team to the same Cavs team in 2011 that had lost 26 in a row at one point that had no Varejao and was 10-46 at that time

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=Ag_I5WYrhm95EAHJAw5vQUohPaB4?gid=2011021605

Bynum: 22 mins 2/12 FG 6 points, 6rebs, 5 fouls vs JJ Hickson.

Bad loses happen is what Im trying to say, losing streaks happen (we've lost 8 of our last 9 @CLE btw), slumps happen, unfortunately its happening in the beginning of the year and when our team is not healthy

revgen · by **revgen** on Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:39 am

The Rock wrote:
revgen wrote:
The Rock wrote:
revgen wrote:Time?

1/4 of the season is already over and we're 7 games behind the Clippers. We don't have time to "figure it out". We need to get our crap together now. We have to get to .500 by early January if we're going to have a chance to enter the 1st round with home court advantage.

How can you not take these extra variables like injuries and missing players into consideration come on? You're ridiculous. Its not like we've had our guys here the whole time and its been a sinking ship, they've played together for 6 damn quarters together.

I don't care who is injured. A team with a healthy MWP, Kobe, D12, and Jamison shouldn't be 4 games under .500 and being embarrassed by a 4 win Cavs team.

How do you justify this loss by a 38-19 Lakers team to the same Cavs team in 2011 that had lost 26 in a row at one point that had no Varejao and was 10-46 at that time

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=Ag_I5WYrhm95EAHJAw5vQUohPaB4?gid=2011021605

Bynum: 22 mins 2/12 FG 6 points, 6rebs, 5 fouls vs JJ Hickson.

Bad loses happen is what Im trying to say, losing streaks happen (we've lost 8 of our last 9 @CLE btw), slumps happen, unfortunately its happening in the beginning of the year and when our team is not healthy

How do I justify a loss? That's what you do. Not me. A loss is a loss.

If you honestly believe that a team with a healthy Kobe, MWP, D12, and Jamison are just fine being 4 games under .500, then we're going to have to agree to disagree. We're not going to find common ground here.

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