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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby The Original 81 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:13 pm

CaCHooKa Man wrote:if youre not in the coverage areas in socal/nevada/hawaii then youre getting the national version of the channel that has all the games blacked out. you still need to get league pass to be able to watch lakers games.


Is there a way to bypass the blackout? Maybe with a VPN while streaming the channel on a computer or something.
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby kbitboc on Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:52 pm

If I only have the broadcast basic TV package with time warner, can you only add the Sportsnet channel without any other channels? What about if I add the sports pass? Would the Lakers be included?
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby lakerfan2 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:55 pm

The Original 81 wrote:
CaCHooKa Man wrote:if youre not in the coverage areas in socal/nevada/hawaii then youre getting the national version of the channel that has all the games blacked out. you still need to get league pass to be able to watch lakers games.


Is there a way to bypass the blackout? Maybe with a VPN while streaming the channel on a computer or something.


you'd still get the stream via internet, you just won't be able to watch the HD broadcast on TV locally.
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby Kasumi on Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:02 pm

kbitboc wrote:If I only have the broadcast basic TV package with time warner, can you only add the Sportsnet channel without any other channels? What about if I add the sports pass? Would the Lakers be included?

By basic, does that mean you only get channels 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11 and 13? Or that you get most of the stations in single and double digits but don't have a DVR? If the latter, check channel 43. I don't have a DVR on one of my TVs and can watch SportsNet on there, but I do have full HD service and DVR in another room.
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby The Original 81 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:30 pm

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CaCHooKa Man wrote:if youre not in the coverage areas in socal/nevada/hawaii then youre getting the national version of the channel that has all the games blacked out. you still need to get league pass to be able to watch lakers games.


Is there a way to bypass the blackout? Maybe with a VPN while streaming the channel on a computer or something.


you'd still get the stream via internet, you just won't be able to watch the HD broadcast on TV locally.


So no possible way to watch it on TV? I figured as much. But I would get the stream of the game, with a VPN of course otherwise it would be blacked out like it is on TV?
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby BDG on Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:55 pm

Once again ...

Time Warner charges month-to-month, no contracts. Their basic package that will get you TWCSN is a bit over 50 bucks a month.

You can cancel any time and eliminate that bill. If you call them today, they'll probably have someone available to install within a week.

I don't anticipate this will drag on further than the beginning of November at worst.

Just making sure everyone is aware. :man12:

Pay 50 bucks this month, don't miss any games and then cancel once they reach the agreement in November.

I definitely don't recommend anyone actually switch (i.e. cancel their current service) to TWC. Had nothing but problems with them and their customer service is beyond horrible.
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby Doc Brown on Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:35 pm

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I’m hearing TWC has made a deal with Dish Network. Not confirmed, but Dish may have beaten DTV to the punch. #LAKERS
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby Scnottaken on Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:50 pm

BDG wrote:Once again ...

Time Warner charges month-to-month, no contracts. Their basic package that will get you TWCSN is a bit over 50 bucks a month.

You can cancel any time and eliminate that bill. If you call them today, they'll probably have someone available to install within a week.

I don't anticipate this will drag on further than the beginning of November at worst.

Just making sure everyone is aware. :man12:

Pay 50 bucks this month, don't miss any games and then cancel once they reach the agreement in November.

I definitely don't recommend anyone actually switch (i.e. cancel their current service) to TWC. Had nothing but problems with them and their customer service is beyond horrible.

Can't. In a charter area.
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby OX1947 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:53 pm

Doc Brown wrote:
Ryan Ward ‏@Lakers_Examiner
I’m hearing TWC has made a deal with Dish Network. Not confirmed, but Dish may have beaten DTV to the punch. #LAKERS
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Dish isn't as pathetic as TWC but they are equally as stupid. No chance this is true.
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby Lakerman JSJ on Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:02 pm

OX1947 wrote:
Doc Brown wrote:
Ryan Ward ‏@Lakers_Examiner
I’m hearing TWC has made a deal with Dish Network. Not confirmed, but Dish may have beaten DTV to the punch. #LAKERS
Retweeted by Andrew Ungvari
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Grain of salt....


Dish isn't as pathetic as TWC but they are equally as stupid. No chance this is true.


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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby LTLakerFan on Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:19 pm

Scnottaken wrote:
BDG wrote:Once again ...

Time Warner charges month-to-month, no contracts. Their basic package that will get you TWCSN is a bit over 50 bucks a month.

You can cancel any time and eliminate that bill. If you call them today, they'll probably have someone available to install within a week.

I don't anticipate this will drag on further than the beginning of November at worst.

Just making sure everyone is aware. :man12:

Pay 50 bucks this month, don't miss any games and then cancel once they reach the agreement in November.

I definitely don't recommend anyone actually switch (i.e. cancel their current service) to TWC. Had nothing but problems with them and their customer service is beyond horrible.

Can't. In a charter area.


+1 But from the reports of the 2nd halves of these pre-season games so far sounds like we have been saved from REALLY doing this.... :bang: though I have been :bang: :bang: because I haven't been able to see them.
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby jimbo327 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:43 pm

It's depressing, but I actually listened to the game on the radio. LOL.
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:50 am

Yes that's what I do too, listen to the radio and hang out on Game Day here. Normally I would be in another room only watching on big picture. I'm still getting emails from TWC to gripe to my provider. This week Charter gets the call and will see what they say since the season starts the week after and I will threaten to leave to DTV if they have it.
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby Punk-101 on Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:28 am

1. Tell me you guys' picture isn't the clearest either on this station. Mine is pixelated with motion. (my tv is 120hz lcd)

2. Anyone else catch coach Dave Miller's terrible sayings that he messes up. Last night: "Those two things are like oil and vinegar, they don't go together." :man10: He does this all the time on the radio.
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby revgen on Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:35 am

^The bitrate on the TWC stream is 11000 kbps at 1920x1080i resolution. That's way too low for a stream that uses the ancient MPEG-2 codec. A stream using the MPEG-4 AVC codec (like DirecTV and DISH use) wouldn't look bad at that kind of bitrate.

That's why you get those pixelations in motion sequences.

If they're going to stream the broadcast at 11000kbps, they should at least bump the resolution down to 720p to reduce the artifacts.
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby Punk-101 on Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:44 am

You so smart :man12:
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby revgen on Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:13 pm

^I'm kinda hoping somebody at TWC or somebody who knows somebody there will pass this along. :man12:
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby nthydro on Sat Oct 20, 2012 12:18 pm

revgen wrote:^The bitrate on the TWC stream is 11000 kbps at 1920x1080i resolution. That's way too low for a stream that uses the ancient MPEG-2 codec. A stream using the MPEG-4 AVC codec (like DirecTV and DISH use) wouldn't look bad at that kind of bitrate.

That's why you get those pixelations in motion sequences.

If they're going to stream the broadcast at 11000kbps, they should at least bump the resolution down to 720p to reduce the artifacts.


Isn't that why sport networks like ESPN use 720P?
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby revgen on Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:45 pm

nthydro wrote:
revgen wrote:^The bitrate on the TWC stream is 11000 kbps at 1920x1080i resolution. That's way too low for a stream that uses the ancient MPEG-2 codec. A stream using the MPEG-4 AVC codec (like DirecTV and DISH use) wouldn't look bad at that kind of bitrate.

That's why you get those pixelations in motion sequences.

If they're going to stream the broadcast at 11000kbps, they should at least bump the resolution down to 720p to reduce the artifacts.


Isn't that why sport networks like ESPN use 720P?


The sports networks themselves usually send a high-bitrate feed to the cable provider, so it doesn't matter what the resolution is.

The providers, with the exception of Verizon FIOS, usually downgrade the bitrate on their networks. Some are worse than others.
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby LTLakerFan on Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:54 pm

revgen wrote:^The bitrate on the TWC stream is 11000 kbps at 1920x1080i resolution. That's way too low for a stream that uses the ancient MPEG-2 codec. A stream using the MPEG-4 AVC codec (like DirecTV and DISH use) wouldn't look bad at that kind of bitrate.

That's why you get those pixelations in motion sequences.

If they're going to stream the broadcast at 11000kbps, they should at least bump the resolution down to 720p to reduce the artifacts.


Rev, I hope you're just describing this bit starved situation for what TW Cable itself puts out. When Charter gets a good uplink I get a great picture, and same with what I've seen from DTV and Dish. What I mean is that I'm hoping their production in the field and uplinks to the "bird" for distribution is as good as my benchmark now (usually) of ESPN and ABC, NBC, CBS.

If they suck at that, after this whole stressful period, they should rightfully so get killed and embarrassed on the major forums that cover stations' image quality. Fox was good and so was KCAL.
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby revgen on Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:34 pm

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revgen wrote:^The bitrate on the TWC stream is 11000 kbps at 1920x1080i resolution. That's way too low for a stream that uses the ancient MPEG-2 codec. A stream using the MPEG-4 AVC codec (like DirecTV and DISH use) wouldn't look bad at that kind of bitrate.

That's why you get those pixelations in motion sequences.

If they're going to stream the broadcast at 11000kbps, they should at least bump the resolution down to 720p to reduce the artifacts.


Rev, I hope you're just describing this bit starved situation for what TW Cable itself puts out. When Charter gets a good uplink I get a great picture, and same with what I've seen from DTV and Dish. What I mean is that I'm hoping their production in the field and uplinks to the "bird" for distribution is as good as my benchmark now (usually) of ESPN and ABC, NBC, CBS.

If they suck at that, after this whole stressful period, they should rightfully so get killed and embarrassed on the major forums that cover stations' image quality. Fox was good and so was KCAL.


Yes, I'm describing TWC's stream to my digital cable box.

I don't have access to Charter, DTV, or DISH. All I do know is that DISH and DirecTV utilize MPEG-4 AVC for streaming to end users, which is a superior video codec, so lower bitrates probably don't look nearly as bad as they do for MPEG-2. I'm not aware of what codec Charter uses.

I very much doubt the stream being sent through the satellite is the same one that goes to the digital cable box at home. I believe recompression is being done to save bandwidth.
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby LakerFan247 on Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:06 am



hahahahah, exactly how i feel
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby revgen on Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:34 am

^Anybody who isn't a hardcore Laker fan won't understand what the hell he's talking about. :man10:
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby NewDynasty on Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:22 am

I feel exactly like that guy feels. I agree with him, we should organnize a protest...hey club lakers want to help organize one? I would definitely go participate. Hate twc.
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Re: TWC and Lakers Sign Long-Term Agreement for Lakers Games

Postby nthydro on Sun Oct 21, 2012 11:25 am

revgen wrote:^Anybody who isn't a hardcore Laker fan won't understand what the hell he's talking about. :man10:


LOL @ "more bigger"
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