Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby The Rock on Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:49 pm

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Last week, before the OKC game, I was asked whether the Lakers’ bigger problems were on offense or on defense. To me, this answer was, and remains, clear. It’s the defense.

The Lakers’ have fundamental problems on D, mostly related to denying dribble penetration and how they don’t always help the helper. Any team can make the first rotation just fine, but the difference between a solid defense and an elite one is the ability to make the second and third rotation on any given possession. Right now, the Lakers don’t make those late possession rotations very well and they’re paying for it.

But those are the big picture issues. On an individual level, this defense is failing countless times over the course of the game. And while no one is immune, there are players whose bad habits are sticking out like a sore thumb. And while it may be difficult for some people to hear, one of the chief culprits is Kobe Bryant.

Mr. Bean may be playing his heart out on offense (we’ll get to this later) but he’s not showing that same commitment to the defensive side of the ball. There are multiple possessions each game in which he makes fundamental mistakes and it’s costing the Lakers. Again, he’s not alone. But as a leader of the team, he needs to be doing better.

One of Kobe’s chief mistakes is that he gets caught watching the ball too often:




On this play, Kobe is playing on the weak side and his man (Gordon Hayward) is in the corner. Kobe is intently watching the ball on the strong side wing while peeking at the action in the paint to see if the ball is going to be whipped into one of the Jazz big men off their interior screen action. While all that’s happening, Hayward cut back door. Kobe, never once looking at his man, only reacted to the pass and fouled a mid-air Hayward who was trying to make the catch.

At the lowest levels of organized basketball, players are asked to see the ball and their man. Kobe loses his man at the very start of this possession and never found him again until committing the foul.

Kobe also has a nasty habit of watching the ball and going for steals that aren’t that likely, and compromising the rest of the defense in the process:







On this play Kobe is guarding DeMarre Carroll, who starts on the strong side but then drifts to the weak side as the Jazz run a sideline P&R. Once Carroll clears the side, Kobe again is mostly watching the ball and cheating towards Enes Kanter who is setting up for a mid-range jumper. The ball never goes to Kanter, however, and instead is skipped to Carroll spotting up on the wing. Kobe tries to steal the pass, fails, and then doesn’t recover to Carroll quick enough to deny penetration. Meeks, hoping to try and play two players, cheats off the strong side corner (a cardinal sin in basketball) to help on Carroll. Like Kobe, Meeks is unsuccessful in slowing Carroll but also gives up the pass to the corner. Hayward makes the Lakers pay by hitting the wide open three.

Kobe’s mistakes here aren’t so drastic but he made several on that single play. Going for the steal was likely the worst offense since it put him in a position where he couldn’t contain the penetration of his man. Scouting tells you that Carroll isn’t a three point shooter so denying his drive is the number one goal of defending him. Once Kobe let Carroll get by him, the greater integrity of the defense was compromised and that was that.

On this last possession, Kobe simply plays a lazy brand of defense that hurt the Lakers on two separate occasions:




This play starts with Kobe on the left baseline guarding Randy Foye. The Jazz run a screen action to free Foye coming across the lane. When Ron’s man comes to screen Kobe, you see him not want to fight through the pick and calls out a late switch to Ron. This leads to Foye getting a wide open jumper that Ron barely contested due to the timing of the switch. To make matters worse, after switching onto Marvin Williams, Kobe didn’t box out and allowed Williams to sneak underneath Howard to tip in the missed shot. Two lazy plays on one possession for Kobe, there.

While I’m singling out Kobe here, he’s not the only one playing this way. On one of the first plays of the game, Ron got beat on an alley oop to Marvin Williams where he was watching the ball similar to Kobe in the first clip. I could have put up multiple clips of Jamison losing his man on screens and getting beat off the dribble, not only from the Jazz game but from every game this season. If the Lakers’ defensive problems were a one man issue, that would be simple enough. They’re not and that complicates matters a great deal.

What further complicates things is that Kobe is a major culprit. His off ball defense stands out as particularly poor this year. He’s gambling for steals, losing sight of his man, and roaming in ways that make the team’s defense structurally unsound. In essence, Kobe is making the easy choice way too often rather than making the harder play that is more taxing physically.

In a way, this is easy to understand. Kobe is playing heavy minutes (44 hard ones against the Jazz) and is carrying a tremendous burden on offense. The energy he’s expending on that side of the ball is massive and to think that won’t affect him in other areas would be a silly conclusion, especially for a 17 year veteran. That said, he’s clearly coasting on defense in order to conserve energy on offense and that simply won’t do. Not only does it hurt the team in countless tangible ways, it sets a bad example for how the team needs to play on that end of the floor.

Dwight Howard was brought in to help solve some of the Lakers’ defensive woes. And, he too can be better than he has been. But he can’t make up for everyone’s mistakes. Jamison and Duhon are turnstiles on D. Ron is getting beat more this season than in year’s past. And Kobe, as shown, isn’t holding up his end of the bargain. As a leader and a yearly member of the all-defensive team, he needs to be better.
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby kenzo on Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:52 pm

Nothing new here. Kobe does not play any D (with exceptions for few marquee matchups) since, i don't know, 2004, 2005? :man5:
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby Lakeshow24 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:53 pm

If it took an entire game and those are the only 3 videos you can come up with... try again. The alley oop play wasn't a big deal, all players around the league could might have coughed that play up especially if roaming. The "steal" attempt again wasn't a big gamble either, Kobe played that one okay preventing penetration by a ballhandler, and the last play Kobe was screened by 3 guys.

Nothing to see here... move along... :freak2:
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby borri on Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:58 pm

Add the numerous times he complained after not getting a call and then not getting back on D.
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby Lakeshow24 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:59 pm

Don't get me wrong... I've seen Kobe get burned on defense. Primarily through gambling and worrying about everybody elses defensive ability instead of locking his own man down. However, these three videos I sum up as WEAK, WEAK, and, WEAK.
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby Thenextgreat on Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:59 pm

great examples... :man10:
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:00 pm

In before the " Kobe plays terrible D only because he plays too many minutes and has to do everything on O" argument
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby easyguy on Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:02 pm

Lakeshow24 wrote:If it took an entire game and those are the only 3 videos you can come up with... try again. The alley oop play wasn't a big deal, all players around the league could might have coughed that play up especially if roaming. The "steal" attempt again wasn't a big gamble either, Kobe played that one okay preventing penetration by a ballhandler, and the last play Kobe was screened by 3 guys.

Nothing to see here... move along... :freak2:



If you watch any of their games at all, you will see Kobe doesn't play D on most of the trip down. He like to stand there and watch or try to go for a steal and leave his man open. He doesn't rotate.
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby easyguy on Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:04 pm

Lakeshow24 wrote:Primarily through gambling and worrying about everybody elses defensive ability instead of locking his own man down.



LMAO!

So you are excusing Kobe's bad defense because he is "worrying" about other people's bad defense? How about he worry about his own man first. Start there, things will fall into place.
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby Center Court on Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:04 pm

I think it's pretty clear that Kobe takes the easy route. He always sag, never rotates, rarely boxes out, and when he gets caught on a screen, he makes his teammates leave their man to come and help.

To be honest, Kobe is the primary reason we struggle as much as we do. He's whiny and always pointing the finger.
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:05 pm

wcsoldier81 wrote:In before the " Kobe plays terrible D only because he plays too many minutes and has to do everything on O" argument


While it may hold some weight, Kobe's defense has been like this for the majority of his career. His defense has been off and on since about 2004 and these last few years it has been at an all time low. Getting Dwight was supposed to mitigate some of the defensive woes our perimeter players have, but he's not 100% and he certainly can't make up for a total lack of defensive effort from everyone else.
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby borri on Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:06 pm

easyguy wrote:
Lakeshow24 wrote:Primarily through gambling and worrying about everybody elses defensive ability instead of locking his own man down.



LMAO!

So you are excusing Kobe's bad defense because he is "worrying" about other people's bad defense? How about he worry about his own man first. Start there, things will fall into place.


Don't see how Lakeshow24 is making an excuse for Kobe. You guys are saying the same damn thing. LOL.
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby easyguy on Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:06 pm

Center Court wrote:I think it's pretty clear that Kobe takes the easy route. He always sag, never rotates, rarely boxes out, and when he gets caught on a screen, he makes his teammates leave their man to come and help.

To be honest, Kobe is the primary reason we struggle as much as we do. He's whiny and always pointing the finger.



If he doesn't score going into the paint, it MUST be a foul. I've seen other players get hacked and murdered in there and miss and still ran back on defense without saying a word.
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby JoelMyersScrotalSack on Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:07 pm

Also going by impact stats like RAPM, Kobe is posting a dismal -1.4 defensive RAPM.

Among the all-stars of this league, that's about as bad as it gets.
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby easyguy on Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:10 pm

borri wrote:
easyguy wrote:
Lakeshow24 wrote:Primarily through gambling and worrying about everybody elses defensive ability instead of locking his own man down.



LMAO!

So you are excusing Kobe's bad defense because he is "worrying" about other people's bad defense? How about he worry about his own man first. Start there, things will fall into place.


Don't see how Lakeshow24 is making an excuse for Kobe. You guys are saying the same damn thing. LOL.



He is stating the reason Kobe is playing the way he is, is because he was worrying about other players defensive ability. He is saying that his teammates are so bad that he cannot play "good" defense because he has crappy teammates who cannot play defense. Therefore putting all the blames on his teammates.
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby borri on Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:12 pm

^^^

He said INSTEAD of locking his own man down. Which means he should be worrying about locking his own man down. Saying the same thing as you. He's just given a plausible explanation why Kobe is not doing his job on D.
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby easyguy on Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:15 pm

borri wrote:^^^

He said INSTEAD of locking his own man down. Which means he should be worrying about locking his own man down. Saying the same thing as you. He's just given a plausible explanation why Kobe is not doing his job on D.



Ok, Maybe I'm just attacking the notion that Kobe was worrying about his teammates defense. Because to show that he "worries" he have to show that he is running around helping everyone out, because he is not doing that. He neither guard his man or other players' man.
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby khmrP on Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:18 pm

that roaming D that Kobe was allowed to play for the last couple of years has really given him alot of bad habits
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby wcsoldier81 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:20 pm

We're not asking for lockdown D ( which at this point of his career isn't realistic) we're asking him to actually guard a player ... he's not defending a player , he just stays at that left side of the paint "extended" and gives up the three point shot EVERY SINGLE time ... and when his man moves off the ball , he doesn't make the effort to follow him or is ballwatching most of the time ... he's basically a huge defensive liability out there , the worst ? He's blaming teammates for his defensive mistakes a LOT
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby borri on Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:23 pm

If Kobe keeps this up, when Nash comes back.....we'll have the worst defensive backcourt in the history of the NBA!! Okay, I am exaggerating but, we'd be pretty gosh darn bad.
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby Weezy on Mon Dec 10, 2012 1:44 pm

It's bad, you can't argue with the video, and what we see quite often, pretty much every game at some point. The main thing he does from what I see is the ball watching thing mentioned. That's not terrible in itself, he could watch the ball if he was right up on his man and could maybe put a hand on him to feel where he's at or if he starts running or whatever. He doesn't do that though, he starts to drift from his man more and more, as if he's going to be able to play help defense on somebody on the opposite side of the court. I especially no reason to do this when there's already help in the paint right there with Dwight and another guard out there by the 3 point line even closer to the ball-handler.

There's no excuse for dumb mistakes like that, or playing lazy and not boxing out, or doing as much gambling as he does, which only rarely results in steals. The only thing I can make an excuse for is when a quicker, younger guy gets by him off the dribble. Kobe used to be very good at that sort of defense, he could be lock down good, but he's 34, he's in his 17th season, you can't expect his defense to be amazing at this point. The not leaving his man stuff is not about age though, it's just poor defense.
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby gill on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:24 pm

Frustrating part of this is we know Kobe can play elite D WHEN HE WANTS TO. :bang:
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby thkthebest on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:26 pm

Kobe's defense is really bad. Teams actually used to avoid Kobe even when he was playing lazy defense, but now, it looks more and more like they're game planning to exploit him on defense.
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby gill on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:29 pm

Where's the part where they call him out on not getting back in transition if he doesn't get a whistle on the offensive end? :man12:
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Re: Video of Kobe's bad defense from Utah game

Postby abeer3 on Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:34 pm

thkthebest wrote:Kobe's defense is really bad. Teams actually used to avoid Kobe even when he was playing lazy defense, but now, it looks more and more like they're game planning to exploit him on defense.


well, no one isolates and goes after him--because he'll take that challenge and can still lock guys up one on one. they're setting up offense that capitalizes on his tendency to ignore his man off the ball, though, and to disastrous consequence.

problem is: who in the organization has the balls/cache to call him out on the carpet? nobody. kobe runs this place, for better or worse. right now, it's worse.
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