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Postby Center Court on Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:11 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Weezy wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:When was the last time we have a true SF on this team?.... Glen Rice?

Well.... we have the worst starting SF in the league..... and maybe one of 4 or 5 worst in the league overall.


Ariza? Artest? Artest is absolutely a true SF, no?


No.... SF is a scoring position in this league and has been for 30 years. Artest was a defensive specialist who could score a little in his prime but was basically an off the ball option. Ariza's game is so overrated by Laker fans I don't even want to go there. He's carved out a career but again he's not a primary or even secondary scorer.


Kobe's been that dominant wing scorer though.
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Postby Savory Griddles on Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:46 pm

trodgers wrote:I think I disagree with a few things you've said. It's true that some of the biggest scorers are wings, but there are also some 3 and D guys who are SFs - they are a different sort of SF, but they're SFs.

I actually think that with Randle, Boozer, and Hill we'll have solid scoring from our front court. And with Kobe and Lin, we'll have solid scoring from our back court. I'd love to find a 3 and D SF.


I'm with Voltron on this one. What a team gets from a given position is really decided upon by the front office based on a team's makeup. A certain ability should not define what a player is. If you want to ask, "Who was the last scoring sf we had?" then that's a legitimate question. Let's not forget Rick Fox in this discussion. When he was in Boston, he was a 14-15 ppg scorer for those last couple years and chipped in 12 his first season here. He was then asked to do other things. Rick Fox was an immensely important part of our 3-peat. I think he could have stepped up as a legit 3rd option had we not had the most potent one-two punch in league history. We didn't really need a 3rd option.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby Rooscooter on Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:40 pm

Center Court wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Weezy wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:When was the last time we have a true SF on this team?.... Glen Rice?

Well.... we have the worst starting SF in the league..... and maybe one of 4 or 5 worst in the league overall.


Ariza? Artest? Artest is absolutely a true SF, no?


No.... SF is a scoring position in this league and has been for 30 years. Artest was a defensive specialist who could score a little in his prime but was basically an off the ball option. Ariza's game is so overrated by Laker fans I don't even want to go there. He's carved out a career but again he's not a primary or even secondary scorer.


Kobe's been that dominant wing scorer though.


Haha..... we all missed one!!!! Caron! He was the last true SF we've had....

Kobe has played with dominant post scoring. Boozer at this point isn't that and Randle hasn't played a minute at this level so projecting anything from him is conjecture. This is like 05 again.... Most of the half court scoring will come from the 2 guard spot or the PG..... Caron was on that team and we were pretty good when he was playing with Kobe.

We don't have that SF and today's Kobe isn't 2005 Kobe.
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Postby bigdog2013 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:13 pm

i think with the right coach johnson can be that defensive guy. He has all the tools but he just needs to put it together
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Postby Azndude2190 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:05 pm

bigdog2013 wrote:i think with the right coach johnson can be that defensive guy. He has all the tools but he just needs to put it together


He's 27. What he is now, will likely be what he's going to be for the rest of his career.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby LakersN4 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:35 pm

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bigdog2013 wrote:i think with the right coach johnson can be that defensive guy. He has all the tools but he just needs to put it together


He's 27. What he is now, will likely be what he's going to be for the rest of his career.

He'll still be who he is but a coach that brings a good defensive system amd mentality could use Wes' tools to produce a better outcome than what we've seen from him.
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Postby Manve77 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:56 pm

Fox, George (at times), Caron, Ariza, Metta...
defensively Metta and Fox where the best. Offensively- Caron I guess...

I still hope we can end up with with a better guy at SF...I don't think Wes has potential...
He did had good games last year- but not too many...
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Postby syl on Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:05 pm

i dnt believe in Wes, like at all!
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:08 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
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Rooscooter wrote:When was the last time we have a true SF on this team?.... Glen Rice?

Well.... we have the worst starting SF in the league..... and maybe one of 4 or 5 worst in the league overall.


Ariza? Artest? Artest is absolutely a true SF, no?


No.... SF is a scoring position in this league and has been for 30 years. Artest was a defensive specialist who could score a little in his prime but was basically an off the ball option. Ariza's game is so overrated by Laker fans I don't even want to go there. He's carved out a career but again he's not a primary or even secondary scorer.


What in God's name are you talking about? Ariza and Artest were both SFs to the fullest. They were both too big to play the 2 and too small to play the 4. And no, the 3 is not strictly a scoring position. A ton of dominant 3s have always existed who can play D and not much O. If you don't know who they are, the Internet is a hell of a reference point.
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Postby flawedandloved on Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:09 pm

Doesn't seem to be starter material to me.
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Postby Lets Go Lakers on Sat Jul 19, 2014 10:17 pm

Wes is a sad case cause he's obviously a rare talent. Blessed with the perfect 3 body and athleticism but doesn't have the proper mental makeup to maximize his God given talents. What he could've been had he had Kobe's killer mentality and work ethic.

He just belongs in a long line of great natural talents who lacked the proper mental make up. Beasley, Mcgee, etc.
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Postby trodgers on Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:23 am

A good coach COULD bring out the best in Wes, and that could be something very good.

Wes is one of only 22 players to register 75 threes, 75 blocks, 75 assists, and 75 steals in a season (last year!).

The list includes some mostly offensive-minded players (Dirk, Durant, VC, Gay, Granger, and Pierce). But it also has some excellent wing defenders on it: Shawn Marion, Sane Battier, LeBron, Eddie Jones, Scottie Pippen, and Spree.

If Wes could be anything like Marion or Battier, we'd have a steal - and a legit weapon. But I think it's going to take a coach and luck to unlock that.
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Postby LTLakerFan on Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:36 am

Manve77 wrote:Fox, George (at times), Caron, Ariza, Metta...
defensively Metta and Fox where the best. Offensively- Caron I guess...

I still hope we can end up with with a better guy at SF...I don't think Wes has potential...
He did had good games last year- but not too many...


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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:41 am

Lets Go Lakers wrote:What in God's name are you talking about?


Basketball.

I know you see a circus of physically talented men dunking and running real fast but there is actually something beyond that. You might never get to see it however... it's sad... really.
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Postby trodgers on Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:47 am

Rooscooter wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:What in God's name are you talking about?


Basketball.

I know you see a circus of physically talented men dunking and running real fast but there is actually something beyond that. You might never get to see it however... it's sad... really.

That's not a bad explanation of exactly what a bunch of people see.

Baseball: strongmen slamming 100 mile an hour pitches into the next county or straining their abdomen on huge misses.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:52 am

trodgers wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:What in God's name are you talking about?


Basketball.

I know you see a circus of physically talented men dunking and running real fast but there is actually something beyond that. You might never get to see it however... it's sad... really.

That's not a bad explanation of exactly what a bunch of people see.

Baseball: strongmen slamming 100 mile an hour pitches into the next county or straining their abdomen on huge misses.


Cirque du Soleil in color coordinated uniforms......
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby southbaylakers72 on Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:20 am

Center Court wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Weezy wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:When was the last time we have a true SF on this team?.... Glen Rice?

Well.... we have the worst starting SF in the league..... and maybe one of 4 or 5 worst in the league overall.



Are you serious? I don't like bashing a poster because its all about opinions in here....but I have to say two words: Rick Fox.

Lakers have been blessed to have a history of excellent SF. FYI: I think Randle might make for another one as he reminds me a lot of a Charles Barkley. We will see if he can develop a deadly outside game.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:44 am

southbaylakers72 wrote:
Center Court wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Weezy wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:When was the last time we have a true SF on this team?.... Glen Rice?

Well.... we have the worst starting SF in the league..... and maybe one of 4 or 5 worst in the league overall.



Are you serious? I don't like bashing a poster because its all about opinions in here....but I have to say two words: Rick Fox.

Lakers have been blessed to have a history of excellent SF. FYI: I think Randle might make for another one as he reminds me a lot of a Charles Barkley. We will see if he can develop a deadly outside game.


Completely serious.

Are you about Randle being a SF?
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Postby southbaylakers72 on Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:48 am

I don't know where he is gong to fit yet. But he has handles for a big man and is a bit small for the PF (short arms). I see him (like Kobe) being able to play more than 1 position.

And yes, Rick Fox was pretty good.
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:59 am

southbaylakers72 wrote:I don't know where he is gong to fit yet. But he has handles for a big man and is a bit small for the PF (short arms). I see him (like Kobe) being able to play more than 1 position.

And yes, Rick Fox was pretty good.


Randle won't play SF in this league. He'd get absolutely killed on the defensive end and you don't want a guy with his paint skill set playing face up 15 feet from the hoop. He's a PF by default.

If you had read all of my posts about SF's you might actually understand what I was saying. Yeah... Rick Fox played SF but he was not a primary scorer and not a guy who could create for himself or others.... he was an off the ball guy who had a high BBIQ and played hard nosed defense. Exactly what we needed in those runs. We also had dominant scoring from the C and SG. We don't have dominant scoring anywhere now..... and most teams get that from their SF or SG. Kobe needs another dynamic player who can create his own shot and shots for others. Lin shouldn't be that guys as the initiator either. To come full circle... we need a true SF and we haven't had one since Butler and before that Rice.
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Postby LakersN4 on Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:05 pm

Lol Wes is absolutely a SF.. This debate :disagree:
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Postby Rooscooter on Sun Jul 20, 2014 12:07 pm

LakersN4 wrote:Lol Wes is absolutely a SF.. This debate :disagree:


If you are pushing Wes as an NBA SF then I agree......
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Postby Azndude2190 on Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:31 pm

southbaylakers72 wrote:I don't know where he is gong to fit yet. But he has handles for a big man and is a bit small for the PF (short arms). I see him (like Kobe) being able to play more than 1 position.

And yes, Rick Fox was pretty good.


Randle is a PF. IMO, 6'9 is not short for the 4 position.
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Postby V.V.V.V.V. on Sun Jul 20, 2014 2:16 pm

Modern PFs and Cs are shorter than ones from 10 - 15 years ago. We''ve seen Miami play small, and SAS countered with small in the Finals. Dwight is 6 10, and outside of Hibbert and and Marc Gasol, who are not dominant centers, everyone is shorter.

Randle will be fine at PF in this era.
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