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Postby therealdeal on Sun Jul 20, 2014 2:51 pm

Rooscooter wrote:you don't want a guy with his paint skill set playing face up 15 feet from the hoop. He's a PF by default.

I agree he's a PF, but his skillset looks great actually. I think he can regularly be used facing up 15 feet from the hoop. He can also bang down low if he has to, but I'm sure he'll fit well from that distance.

I think in certain lineups he can fit at SF, but it'd be a rare occasion.
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Postby LakersN4 on Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:25 pm

If you have Steph & Klay in your backcourt you can probably get away with Randle at SF.. Otherwise your spacing is going to be terrible.
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Postby therealdeal on Sun Jul 20, 2014 3:33 pm

LakersN4 wrote:If you have Steph & Klay in your backcourt you can probably get away with Randle at SF.. Otherwise your spacing is going to be terrible.

I'm not really worried about the guards as much as I'm worried about what big man would be able to fit there. You'd need a guy who can shoot outside and still be able to cover a SF relatively well on defense. I'm thinking Kelly would be the closest thing.
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Postby Lets Go Lakers on Sun Jul 20, 2014 10:56 pm

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Lets Go Lakers wrote:What in God's name are you talking about?


Basketball.

I know you see a circus of physically talented men dunking and running real fast but there is actually something beyond that. You might never get to see it however... it's sad... really.


I know you haven't played the game in like 50 years in the Mikan days so yeah, maybe athleticism and length didn't matter back in the good ole days. I honestly question anyone's knowledge of the game who so easily disregard athleticism and length at the highest level. It tells me they are out of touch of reality. Sure, in your typical play ground, a very skilled player can dominate most people but they don't have to contend with Ibaka or A. Davis at the paint and have to deal with their height, length and ability to get off the floor in an instant.

So Ariza and Artest aren't true SFs huh? Just like Dominique was a "big"? Or CP3 is a bad defender? Keep watching those Mikan films.
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Postby Helljumper on Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:14 pm

Yeah, I have no idea how someone can argue that Artest/Ariza aren't SF's. I've never in my life heard the idea that for someone to be a true SF they have to be an elite scorer.
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Postby therealdeal on Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:14 pm

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EL SEGUNDO - The Los Angeles Lakers have signed free agent forward Wesley Johnson, it was announced today by General Manager Mitch Kupchak. Per team policy, terms of the agreement were not released.

“I’m happy to welcome Wesley back to our team and am excited to see him develop further after taking such great strides last season,” said Kupchak. “Wesley possesses elite athleticism, and has the potential to develop into an excellent defender.”

A four-year NBA veteran, Johnson had his best professional season last year with the Lakers, averaging career-highs in points per game (9.1), rebounds (4.4), steals (1.1), blocks (1.0), field goal percentage (.425) and three-point field goal percentage (.369) while appearing in a team-high 79 games. Johnson also set numerous single-game career marks in 2013-14, including rebounds (15, vs. MEM 4/13), steals (five, three times), blocks (five, at DEN 11/13) and three-pointers (six, two times).

Originally selected by the Minnesota Timberwolves with the fourth overall pick in the 2010 NBA Draft, Johnson has appeared in 273 career games (210 starts), averaging 8.1 points, 3.3 rebounds and 1.3 assists in 24.7 minutes per game as a member of the Minnesota Timberwolves (2010-2012), Phoenix Suns (2012-13) and Lakers (2013-14).

Johnson spent his first two collegiate seasons at Iowa State (2006-08) before transferring to Syracuse, where he helped the Orange to a 30-5 record in 2009-10 and was named a First Team All-American. The 6-7 forward averaged 16.5 points, 8.5 rebounds and 2.2 assists in his lone season at Syracuse, and was named Big East Player of the Year and a finalist for the Naismith, John Wooden and Oscar Robertson national player of the year awards.


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Johnson showed flashes last year, and also struggled at various points of the season. Being on the floor w/Kobe pushing him could help.

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Important to have some athleticism/length next to Kobe on the wing. Johnson's shot will need to improve, as will his consistency on O and D.
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Postby khmrP on Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:24 pm

hopefully with Scott mentality on D, Wes will focus more of his energy on that side of the ball and be that glue guy.
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Postby abeer3 on Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:06 pm

I was hopeful for wes last year, but part of that was that I knew he and kobe had a (sort of). that fell apart a bit with kobe's second injury. i'll be hopeful again. I feel like wes's issues are largely comprehension-based. maybe one more year of seasoning does it? the question is whether his mind catches up before his body starts to slow down. honestly, that's the big difference between a guy like marion and a guy like wes: marion just had a natural feel for the game from day one. wes seems largely clueless and unable to channel his physical advantages.
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Postby MadMax on Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:26 pm

I think Coach B is going to help shape Wes into one of the league's stronger defensive players.
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Postby lukewaltonsdad on Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:46 pm

This is Wesley's last chance; if he doesn't make good on the opportunity this year, his career is done in the NBA. No excuses.
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Postby Lets Go Lakers on Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:12 pm

I hope Scott can properly motivate Wes. Forget offense. Just concentrate on D. Tell him that he has the potential to be a ball stopper and can make a name for himself. But he's got special athleticism, even by NBA standards. It's just a matter of him wanting it and working at it.
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Postby LakersN4 on Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:23 am

A combo of Scott & having Kobe there every game should be great for Wes.. I'm glad we kept him, I think he will take a huge step foward this season.
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Postby wolfpaclaker on Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:53 am

I too like Wesley as a role player.

One of the few guys on the roster who can actually match up and defend starting talent on opposing good teams.

Not sure what Byron wants, but if he wants defense, Wesley is one of our most talented in that department,
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Postby laakers on Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:59 am

As Scott turns Wes into a defensive stopper, his confidence will grow on offense... Like Ariza. He's a great role player whose most important offensive ability is shooting.
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Postby pound4pound1 on Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:46 am

i just can't draw up any optimism for Wes...i think he's a bum and waste of roster spot...he'll have 1 good game then disappear for 2 weeks
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Postby Savory Griddles on Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:50 am

pound4pound1 wrote:i just can't draw up any optimism for Wes...i think he's a bum and waste of roster spot...he'll have 1 good game then disappear for 2 weeks


This is how I feel. He had the entire season last year to prove he had something. Henry stepped up when he was healthy. Nick Young showed what he could do. Wes was worthless all the way through. He had one good game against Portland.
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Postby pound4pound1 on Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:05 am

Savory Griddles wrote:
pound4pound1 wrote:i just can't draw up any optimism for Wes...i think he's a bum and waste of roster spot...he'll have 1 good game then disappear for 2 weeks


This is how I feel. He had the entire season last year to prove he had something. Henry stepped up when he was healthy. Nick Young showed what he could do. Wes was worthless all the way through. He had one good game against Portland.



last season was garbage time and even then, he couldn't produce anything

he has earned his 'bust' label...we shoulda waived him
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Postby Lets Go Lakers on Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:14 am

You know, most people gave up on Gerald Green years ago. But last year he turned it around at the age of 27. And Wes is 27 right now. Both are immensely athletic. And I have no problems having a guy that athletic on my roster for the minimum. He still has potential. With his athleticism, he just needs to tweak a few things here and there and the impact he can have on the game is very high. I'm still holding out hope that Scott gets through to him mentally and he starts playing up to his immense potential. And if he doesn't pan out? So what? We gave him the minimum.
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Postby trodgers on Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:07 pm

Gerald Green scores points. That's all he does. He's poor to horrendous at everything else you could want from a basketball player (except blocking shots as a wing player). Hoping Wes is nothing like Green.
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Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:42 pm

Helljumper wrote:Yeah, I have no idea how someone can argue that Artest/Ariza aren't SF's. I've never in my life heard the idea that for someone to be a true SF they have to be an elite scorer.


They played the position but AS LAKERS they were among the lowest producing SF's in the league. Each played pivotal roles in our success but to think that Ariza is a complete SF is not really getting beyond the purple glasses. Artest was an inefficient scorer with other teams and was a spot up shooter for us in that system.

Elite scorer isn't what I said.... being able to create for themselves and others is what I was getting at. Ariza and Artest play well off others.... they don't have the ability to carry a team for stretches/games offensively. You don't have to "elite" to do that either. Someone capable of 18 points a game consistently and able to create most of those points themselves.

Point is that the system is gone and we're a more traditional offensive team and we need a true SF. The last one we had that fits that bill for me was Butler...... also the one year that Phil didn't coach.
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Postby Lets Go Lakers on Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:10 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Helljumper wrote:Yeah, I have no idea how someone can argue that Artest/Ariza aren't SF's. I've never in my life heard the idea that for someone to be a true SF they have to be an elite scorer.


They played the position but AS LAKERS they were among the lowest producing SF's in the league. Each played pivotal roles in our success but to think that Ariza is a complete SF is not really getting beyond the purple glasses. Artest was an inefficient scorer with other teams and was a spot up shooter for us in that system.

Elite scorer isn't what I said.... being able to create for themselves and others is what I was getting at. Ariza and Artest play well off others.... they don't have the ability to carry a team for stretches/games offensively. You don't have to "elite" to do that either. Someone capable of 18 points a game consistently and able to create most of those points themselves.

Point is that the system is gone and we're a more traditional offensive team and we need a true SF. The last one we had that fits that bill for me was Butler...... also the one year that Phil didn't coach.


I don't know what you're talking about. Artest in his prime was a #2 scoring option for some of his teams and was able to create his own shot and averaged about 18 ppg.
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Postby LTLakerFan on Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:12 pm

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Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:15 pm

Lets Go Lakers wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Helljumper wrote:Yeah, I have no idea how someone can argue that Artest/Ariza aren't SF's. I've never in my life heard the idea that for someone to be a true SF they have to be an elite scorer.


They played the position but AS LAKERS they were among the lowest producing SF's in the league. Each played pivotal roles in our success but to think that Ariza is a complete SF is not really getting beyond the purple glasses. Artest was an inefficient scorer with other teams and was a spot up shooter for us in that system.

Elite scorer isn't what I said.... being able to create for themselves and others is what I was getting at. Ariza and Artest play well off others.... they don't have the ability to carry a team for stretches/games offensively. You don't have to "elite" to do that either. Someone capable of 18 points a game consistently and able to create most of those points themselves.

Point is that the system is gone and we're a more traditional offensive team and we need a true SF. The last one we had that fits that bill for me was Butler...... also the one year that Phil didn't coach.


I don't know what you're talking about. Artest in his prime was a #2 scoring option for some of his teams and was able to create his own shot and averaged about 18 ppg.


Was I talking to you?.... how many times do we have to go through this. You offer very little value to this forum in my opinion other than to demonstrate your complete lack of understanding of the game.... and you seem to take issue with everything I've got to say so there is no point in our exchanging anything beyond this.

I've put it as politely as I'm going to..... for about the 9th time... Now run along....
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Postby Lets Go Lakers on Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:23 pm

Rooscooter wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
Helljumper wrote:Yeah, I have no idea how someone can argue that Artest/Ariza aren't SF's. I've never in my life heard the idea that for someone to be a true SF they have to be an elite scorer.


They played the position but AS LAKERS they were among the lowest producing SF's in the league. Each played pivotal roles in our success but to think that Ariza is a complete SF is not really getting beyond the purple glasses. Artest was an inefficient scorer with other teams and was a spot up shooter for us in that system.

Elite scorer isn't what I said.... being able to create for themselves and others is what I was getting at. Ariza and Artest play well off others.... they don't have the ability to carry a team for stretches/games offensively. You don't have to "elite" to do that either. Someone capable of 18 points a game consistently and able to create most of those points themselves.

Point is that the system is gone and we're a more traditional offensive team and we need a true SF. The last one we had that fits that bill for me was Butler...... also the one year that Phil didn't coach.


I don't know what you're talking about. Artest in his prime was a #2 scoring option for some of his teams and was able to create his own shot and averaged about 18 ppg.


Was I talking to you?.... how many times do we have to go through this. You offer very little value to this forum in my opinion other than to demonstrate your complete lack of understanding of the game.... and you seem to take issue with everything I've got to say so there is no point in our exchanging anything beyond this.

I've put it as politely as I'm going to..... for about the 9th time... Now run along....


Awww, someone's feeling pissy today.
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