Lets Go Lakers wrote:Rooscooter wrote:Lets Go Lakers wrote:Rooscooter wrote:Helljumper wrote:Yeah, I have no idea how someone can argue that Artest/Ariza aren't SF's. I've never in my life heard the idea that for someone to be a true SF they have to be an elite scorer.
They played the position but AS LAKERS they were among the lowest producing SF's in the league. Each played pivotal roles in our success but to think that Ariza is a complete SF is not really getting beyond the purple glasses. Artest was an inefficient scorer with other teams and was a spot up shooter for us in that system.
Elite scorer isn't what I said.... being able to create for themselves and others is what I was getting at. Ariza and Artest play well off others.... they don't have the ability to carry a team for stretches/games offensively. You don't have to "elite" to do that either. Someone capable of 18 points a game consistently and able to create most of those points themselves.
Point is that the system is gone and we're a more traditional offensive team and we need a true SF. The last one we had that fits that bill for me was Butler...... also the one year that Phil didn't coach.
I don't know what you're talking about. Artest in his prime was a #2 scoring option for some of his teams and was able to create his own shot and averaged about 18 ppg.
Was I talking to you?.... how many times do we have to go through this. You offer very little value to this forum in my opinion other than to demonstrate your complete lack of understanding of the game.... and you seem to take issue with everything I've got to say so there is no point in our exchanging anything beyond this.
I've put it as politely as I'm going to..... for about the 9th time... Now run along....
Awww, someone's feeling pissy today.
Why would anyone even try and have a sensible discussion with you when you jump into a post not intended for you and don't even read it..... or understand it. That's about all you offer around here..... well... that and adolescent know-it-all isms..... You repeatedly respond with snide remarks or name calling and never offer anything other than basic stat based crap without any context or insight.
This post is a perfect example of your limited and childish approach to basic discourse.
.... as I say to all immature self conscious and insecure kids..... run along....