Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:29 pm

Lets Go Lakers wrote:
Rooscooter wrote:
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Helljumper wrote:Yeah, I have no idea how someone can argue that Artest/Ariza aren't SF's. I've never in my life heard the idea that for someone to be a true SF they have to be an elite scorer.


They played the position but AS LAKERS they were among the lowest producing SF's in the league. Each played pivotal roles in our success but to think that Ariza is a complete SF is not really getting beyond the purple glasses. Artest was an inefficient scorer with other teams and was a spot up shooter for us in that system.

Elite scorer isn't what I said.... being able to create for themselves and others is what I was getting at. Ariza and Artest play well off others.... they don't have the ability to carry a team for stretches/games offensively. You don't have to "elite" to do that either. Someone capable of 18 points a game consistently and able to create most of those points themselves.

Point is that the system is gone and we're a more traditional offensive team and we need a true SF. The last one we had that fits that bill for me was Butler...... also the one year that Phil didn't coach.


I don't know what you're talking about. Artest in his prime was a #2 scoring option for some of his teams and was able to create his own shot and averaged about 18 ppg.


Was I talking to you?.... how many times do we have to go through this. You offer very little value to this forum in my opinion other than to demonstrate your complete lack of understanding of the game.... and you seem to take issue with everything I've got to say so there is no point in our exchanging anything beyond this.

I've put it as politely as I'm going to..... for about the 9th time... Now run along....


Awww, someone's feeling pissy today.


Why would anyone even try and have a sensible discussion with you when you jump into a post not intended for you and don't even read it..... or understand it. That's about all you offer around here..... well... that and adolescent know-it-all isms..... You repeatedly respond with snide remarks or name calling and never offer anything other than basic stat based crap without any context or insight.

This post is a perfect example of your limited and childish approach to basic discourse.

.... as I say to all immature self conscious and insecure kids..... run along....
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:36 pm

^^^^^
I understand exactly what you said about the SF position. You were just wrong about Artest. Hence your temper tantrum. I'll leave you alone now.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:03 pm

Lets Go Lakers wrote:^^^^^
I understand exactly what you said about the SF position. You were just wrong about Artest. Hence your temper tantrum. I'll leave you alone now.


You just don't get it.... it's obvious to anyone who reads that post that I was not talking about SF who've played for the Lakers but SF play for the lakers.... I even capitalized that in the post.

That's like saying that Karl Malone is the greatest PF we've ever had....

Our SF's have been near the bottom in total production in the entire Phil Jackson era and since... with the exception of Glen Rice and Caron Butler.... and the latter was shipped out for freaking Kwame Brown....
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby laakers on Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:59 pm

^ Our SG is Kobe Bryant. Our PG is Jeremy Lin. Our PF is Julius Randle. Our C is Jordan Hill. Let me repeat, our SG is Kobe Bryant. If Wes turned into Ariza that would be gold for us. We have Henry and Young that are more complete scorers as sparks off the bench. We've coached Wes with Mike Brown and Mike D'Antoni. Let's see how he does under Scott. We don't need high production from our SF, but we surely need a wing defender/shooter to help Kobe.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby Magic Skywalker on Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:28 am

Actually, Mike Brown never coached Wes. He's been here only one season.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:33 am

Rooscooter wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:^^^^^
I understand exactly what you said about the SF position. You were just wrong about Artest. Hence your temper tantrum. I'll leave you alone now.


You just don't get it.... it's obvious to anyone who reads that post that I was not talking about SF who've played for the Lakers but SF play for the lakers.... I even capitalized that in the post.

That's like saying that Karl Malone is the greatest PF we've ever had....

Our SF's have been near the bottom in total production in the entire Phil Jackson era and since... with the exception of Glen Rice and Caron Butler.... and the latter was shipped out for freaking Kwame Brown....


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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:42 pm

Someone else looking to prove some things to the rest of the league is Kobe Bryant, who wants to show that he isn’t declining like people think he is. Kobe’s off-season workouts are legendary, and many of his teammates have taken the time to join him this summer. None more than Johnson.

Johnson spoke to the OC Register’s Bill Oram and says Kobe looks like he will be the same as he has always been:

I think it will be the same Kobe, but I think – I don’t want to say (he’ll) tone it down – I think he’ll be more effective, more efficient. He’s not going to over-exert himself like he normally does.

One reason Johnson believes this is because of those crazy workouts. Johnson says they are far different than what most people would expect:

People come to work out (and think), ‘I’m going to get some shots up,’ or do what they do. But he takes it like it’s a preparation for the game [...] Every move that he does is always calculated [...] He goes hard. Anybody could tell you that’s worked out with him [...] It’s tough. It’s tough.

Johnson added that the biggest thing he’s learned from Kobe this summer is seriousness, which is something the entire team will get from Bryant this season.


Also check out this short video interview he did recently:

http://www.twcsportsnet.com/videos/2014/09/18/wesley-johnson-says-he-expects-this-years-camp-to-have-a-more-serious-tone-september-18-2014

Good stuff and it looks like Wesley has a new outlook on the game which is great after working out with Kobe quite a bit during the off-season.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby Center Court on Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:33 am

More than anything for Wesley, I think he can and want to see him become a Tony Allen level player. Premiere defense and then hitting the open shot with the occasional put your head down and attack the basket. He's got all the tools and then some to lock up opposing wings.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby therealdeal on Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:35 am

Center Court wrote:More than anything for Wesley, I think he can and want to see him become a Tony Allen level player. Premiere defense and then hitting the open shot with the occasional put your head down and attack the basket. He's got all the tools and then some to lock up opposing wings.

I don't know if he could be Tony Allen, that guy is one of the best perimeter defenders in the League. Certainly though he needs to be our defensive Swiss Army knife. We need to be able to throw him at whoever we want defensively and he needs to make them work hard. I don't need to see 2 blocks and 2 steals a game, but I want to see total effort out of him on that end.

This guy's potential for defensive stardom is why I wanted him so badly before last season. Hopefully Byron and a full-time Kobe can get his head screwed on straight.
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