Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:29 pm

Lets Go Lakers wrote:
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Helljumper wrote:Yeah, I have no idea how someone can argue that Artest/Ariza aren't SF's. I've never in my life heard the idea that for someone to be a true SF they have to be an elite scorer.


They played the position but AS LAKERS they were among the lowest producing SF's in the league. Each played pivotal roles in our success but to think that Ariza is a complete SF is not really getting beyond the purple glasses. Artest was an inefficient scorer with other teams and was a spot up shooter for us in that system.

Elite scorer isn't what I said.... being able to create for themselves and others is what I was getting at. Ariza and Artest play well off others.... they don't have the ability to carry a team for stretches/games offensively. You don't have to "elite" to do that either. Someone capable of 18 points a game consistently and able to create most of those points themselves.

Point is that the system is gone and we're a more traditional offensive team and we need a true SF. The last one we had that fits that bill for me was Butler...... also the one year that Phil didn't coach.


I don't know what you're talking about. Artest in his prime was a #2 scoring option for some of his teams and was able to create his own shot and averaged about 18 ppg.


Was I talking to you?.... how many times do we have to go through this. You offer very little value to this forum in my opinion other than to demonstrate your complete lack of understanding of the game.... and you seem to take issue with everything I've got to say so there is no point in our exchanging anything beyond this.

I've put it as politely as I'm going to..... for about the 9th time... Now run along....


Awww, someone's feeling pissy today.


Why would anyone even try and have a sensible discussion with you when you jump into a post not intended for you and don't even read it..... or understand it. That's about all you offer around here..... well... that and adolescent know-it-all isms..... You repeatedly respond with snide remarks or name calling and never offer anything other than basic stat based crap without any context or insight.

This post is a perfect example of your limited and childish approach to basic discourse.

.... as I say to all immature self conscious and insecure kids..... run along....
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:36 pm

^^^^^
I understand exactly what you said about the SF position. You were just wrong about Artest. Hence your temper tantrum. I'll leave you alone now.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby Rooscooter on Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:03 pm

Lets Go Lakers wrote:^^^^^
I understand exactly what you said about the SF position. You were just wrong about Artest. Hence your temper tantrum. I'll leave you alone now.


You just don't get it.... it's obvious to anyone who reads that post that I was not talking about SF who've played for the Lakers but SF play for the lakers.... I even capitalized that in the post.

That's like saying that Karl Malone is the greatest PF we've ever had....

Our SF's have been near the bottom in total production in the entire Phil Jackson era and since... with the exception of Glen Rice and Caron Butler.... and the latter was shipped out for freaking Kwame Brown....
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby laakers on Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:59 pm

^ Our SG is Kobe Bryant. Our PG is Jeremy Lin. Our PF is Julius Randle. Our C is Jordan Hill. Let me repeat, our SG is Kobe Bryant. If Wes turned into Ariza that would be gold for us. We have Henry and Young that are more complete scorers as sparks off the bench. We've coached Wes with Mike Brown and Mike D'Antoni. Let's see how he does under Scott. We don't need high production from our SF, but we surely need a wing defender/shooter to help Kobe.
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Postby Magic Skywalker on Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:28 am

Actually, Mike Brown never coached Wes. He's been here only one season.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby lakerfan2 on Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:33 am

Rooscooter wrote:
Lets Go Lakers wrote:^^^^^
I understand exactly what you said about the SF position. You were just wrong about Artest. Hence your temper tantrum. I'll leave you alone now.


You just don't get it.... it's obvious to anyone who reads that post that I was not talking about SF who've played for the Lakers but SF play for the lakers.... I even capitalized that in the post.

That's like saying that Karl Malone is the greatest PF we've ever had....

Our SF's have been near the bottom in total production in the entire Phil Jackson era and since... with the exception of Glen Rice and Caron Butler.... and the latter was shipped out for freaking Kwame Brown....


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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby Battle Tested20 on Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:42 pm

Someone else looking to prove some things to the rest of the league is Kobe Bryant, who wants to show that he isn’t declining like people think he is. Kobe’s off-season workouts are legendary, and many of his teammates have taken the time to join him this summer. None more than Johnson.

Johnson spoke to the OC Register’s Bill Oram and says Kobe looks like he will be the same as he has always been:

I think it will be the same Kobe, but I think – I don’t want to say (he’ll) tone it down – I think he’ll be more effective, more efficient. He’s not going to over-exert himself like he normally does.

One reason Johnson believes this is because of those crazy workouts. Johnson says they are far different than what most people would expect:

People come to work out (and think), ‘I’m going to get some shots up,’ or do what they do. But he takes it like it’s a preparation for the game [...] Every move that he does is always calculated [...] He goes hard. Anybody could tell you that’s worked out with him [...] It’s tough. It’s tough.

Johnson added that the biggest thing he’s learned from Kobe this summer is seriousness, which is something the entire team will get from Bryant this season.


Also check out this short video interview he did recently:

http://www.twcsportsnet.com/videos/2014/09/18/wesley-johnson-says-he-expects-this-years-camp-to-have-a-more-serious-tone-september-18-2014

Good stuff and it looks like Wesley has a new outlook on the game which is great after working out with Kobe quite a bit during the off-season.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby Center Court on Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:33 am

More than anything for Wesley, I think he can and want to see him become a Tony Allen level player. Premiere defense and then hitting the open shot with the occasional put your head down and attack the basket. He's got all the tools and then some to lock up opposing wings.
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Postby therealdeal on Fri Sep 19, 2014 8:35 am

Center Court wrote:More than anything for Wesley, I think he can and want to see him become a Tony Allen level player. Premiere defense and then hitting the open shot with the occasional put your head down and attack the basket. He's got all the tools and then some to lock up opposing wings.

I don't know if he could be Tony Allen, that guy is one of the best perimeter defenders in the League. Certainly though he needs to be our defensive Swiss Army knife. We need to be able to throw him at whoever we want defensively and he needs to make them work hard. I don't need to see 2 blocks and 2 steals a game, but I want to see total effort out of him on that end.

This guy's potential for defensive stardom is why I wanted him so badly before last season. Hopefully Byron and a full-time Kobe can get his head screwed on straight.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby JSM on Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:16 pm

Mike Trudell ‏@LakersReporter 2h2 hours ago

Kobe on Wesley Johnson: "His athletic ability/attention to detail (on D), I feel like, this season, is really going to go to another level."
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Postby LooN3y on Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:06 pm

Center Court wrote:More than anything for Wesley, I think he can and want to see him become a Tony Allen level player. Premiere defense and then hitting the open shot with the occasional put your head down and attack the basket. He's got all the tools and then some to lock up opposing wings.



tony allen hit occasional open shots? :man10:


but it'll be great if he can be the tony allen on the defensive side. Johnson had spurts good play last year, just didnt like when he wes over dribbling and pulling up trying to create for himself. it clearly isnt his strong suit
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Postby Lakerjones on Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:13 pm

JSM wrote:
Mike Trudell ‏@LakersReporter 2h2 hours ago

Kobe on Wesley Johnson: "His athletic ability/attention to detail (on D), I feel like, this season, is really going to go to another level."


Wes is going to be utilized much better this year. Byron will have him focusing on defense and playing the 3 not out of position at the 4. He'll have to work hard for his minutes. He'll also have to recognize his strengths and weaknesses and Byron will be on him if he strays too far. Mainly, he'll need to improve his man on and team defensive play, run out on fast break opportunities so he can use his speed, length and athleticism, and not force anything offensively in the half court set. Do that and we'll be good. He can split minutes with Swaggy P and everything should be fine.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby Lets Go Lakers on Thu Oct 02, 2014 7:36 am

If Wes is mentally right and focuses on playing great D, he should improve tremendously this year. But it's all mental for him cause he's always had rare athleticism. It's just a matter of him playing with his head screwed on correctly and not losing focus. I still have hope for him. He's just entering his 5th season and is just 27 (if I'm not mistaken). He still has time to turn it around. I don't expect much from him offensively and never will. I just want him to be a lock down, wing defender and run the floor in transition.
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Postby kidvideo on Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:13 am

Wesley Johnson and the Lakers will wing it.

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Postby trodgers on Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:25 am

It's good that he sees himself as not a PF. Now if only we could convince him he's not a starter either...

Okay okay I'll stay positive. Go Wes.
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Postby Rooscooter on Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:16 pm

trodgers wrote:It's good that he sees himself as not a PF. Now if only we could convince him he's not a starter either...

Okay okay I'll stay positive. Go Wes.


I like it!!! A "preemptive" WMC.... in the pre-season.

I agree on all points. This guy is probably on his last NBA roster..... and most definitely his last starting gig. He's starting because we have no one else.... not because he's earned it or beat out someone else for the right.

He will look good 3 times a month.... look decent another 3 and look lost or spaced out the rest of the time. It's been his NBA career to this point.... handing him a starting position on the Lakers isn't going to make him change who he was/is.
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Postby Center Court on Fri Oct 03, 2014 2:03 pm

trodgers wrote:It's good that he sees himself as not a PF. Now if only we could convince him he's not a starter either...

Okay okay I'll stay positive. Go Wes.


Yeah given our roster, Wes off the bench is a nice piece. He could come in, bring speed, athleticism, defense, hustle, and energy. In fact, we have some guys who could make an insanely good bench in Davis/Hill/Wes/Swaggy/Lin.

Our issue is that we are so weak/unhealthy up top that our second unit guys end up in starting and carrying the team.
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Postby Ariza3 on Thu Oct 09, 2014 8:02 pm

i know its the preseason game 2 but wes has looked just as average, at best, as last year. I hope im wrong though
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Postby LooN3y on Sat Oct 11, 2014 3:52 am

he just needs to know his role. Be a defensive player that can slash and hit the occasional open J whether its a mid or 3pt shot.


i cringe everytime he tried to create for himself. he couldn't do it win minney, he couldn't do it the whole time he was with us, and its just isnt his game.

dude needs to stop and know his limitations.
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Postby SFGOLDRUSHER on Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:27 pm

He will be better this year than he was last year because the team overall will be better...Everybody knows that when you have a weak supporting cast certain players tend to regress in those situations because they were meant to be supporting players&not a guy that takes advantage of the situation and utilizes the opportunity to try his best to score/create for himself/put the team on his back. I also have faith in Scott if he cannot hold his own he can make the correct adjustment&shuffle things around but something tells me he ends up being alright as long as the supporting cast stays healthy.
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Postby khmrP on Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:20 am

what a waste of space this guy is, tall, lanky, athletic but bball iq of an ant.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby lakerswiz on Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:34 am

It's going to be hard for him to thrive on this team while we aren't running any plays for him to get open 3 pointers. Him and Lin could be deadly in the pick and roll and pick and pop and I doubt we'll see that too often.

He should be in such a role where his lack of basketball IQ can be overshadowed and he is having to make minimal decisions.

I don't see any of that happening though and he's going to suffer because of it. Dude should be catching alley oops, diving towards the hoop for layups and dunks and shooting open 3 pointers. He could really excel in that position and role, but it just doesn't seem like anyone is going to direct him to play that way.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby khmrP on Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:02 pm

^^^My issue with him isn't his O, its his D.....he has the tools but yet still a terrible defender.
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Postby Frank Dux on Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:40 pm

^ :man10: Same with his offense. He's got all of the tools to be a Paul George type of player on offense, but he's just inexplicably bad.
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Re: Wesley Johnson Discussion: Back for 1 year/$1 million (26)

Postby khmrP on Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:12 am

Frank Dux wrote:^ :man10: Same with his offense. He's got all of the tools to be a Paul George type of player on offense, but he's just inexplicably bad.


tools as in sz yes but as far as talent goes, Wes has the dribbling abilities of a high schooler
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